Jesus is God.

[jimmydiggs]

..it's not God the Son, it's THE Son of God.

u are A son of God but there is only one THE Son of God and that is Jesus Christ the Almighty God that came in the flesh.

it's never God the....God the...God the.... , this explanation leads to error because it sounds like 3 God's or 3 different entities whereas according to the Word the Lord God is one.

Jesus Christ is the,

God in the beginning
Angel of the Lord
Melchizedek
Prince of Peace
Everlasting Father
Mighty God
Lord of Hosts
The Son of God
High priest forever

..they are ONE and the SAME.

Blessings to you

Sounds a lot like Modalism.

Trinity = 1 Being, three distinct Persons

Modalism = 1 Being, three forms

 

[cronjecj]

Sounds a lot like Modalism.

Trinity = 1 Being, three distinct Persons

Modalism = 1 Being, three forms

yes this is what im saying, trinity is a false doctrine.

it cannot be three distinct persons yet one being, its one being one person with many attributes, characteristics and names.

jimmy are you a trinitarian ?

 

[jimmydiggs]

yes this is what im saying, trinity is a false doctrine.

Boy, this thread just keeps throwing red flags errrrwhere.

jimmy are you a trinitarian ?

Yes sir, I am. Why would I be? Simple, it's what the bible tells us to believe.

it cannot be three distinct persons yet one being, its one being one person with many attributes, characteristics and names.

There is no logical problem with one being, expressed in three persons.

God the Son, God the Father, God the Holy Spirit.

All God, each, are a different "person".

Do not think of "person" in terms of "people". That's part of the problem.

 

[tribesman]

yes this is what im saying, trinity is a false doctrine.

Cronjecj, tell us why the modalist teachings of Noetus, Praxeas and Sabellius (in the 200s AD) were rejected by the contemporary Church Fathers?

 

[AnandaHya]

Can God die? If God was dead, who raised him back to life? Can an immortal being die? What does "immortal" mean exactly?

If Jesus was God, why did he worship the Father? Why did he call him "my God"? "My Father"? (John 20:17)

I find no scriptural support for the notion that 'Jesus is God' at all. In fact I find more scriptural support for there being two completely separate entities who are in complete harmony with each other, than I do for their being one and the same person.

In prayer to his Father at John 17:3, Jesus said that "knowing" God and his Christ were the way to everlasting life. No mention was made of the holy spirit. If 'he' was an equal part of the 'godhead', why is knowing 'him' not necessary?

Just asking?

The flesh died. God raised Christ from the grave by giving Him a new Heavenly body that is a SIGN for us to know what kind of bodies we will be given upon resurrection.

the discussion of death and what happens afterwards and what the soul, body and spirit is complicated and not the topic of this thread...

Where is the word "immortal" in the Bible?

Jesus showed us how we are to live our human lives and was the only person every born not to break the Law and fulfill it without sinning in the flesh. He prayed to GOD the Father because if He prayed to Himself then people would copy Him and pray to themselves and make themselves more of idol worshipers then they already are.

He prayed to the Heavenly Father for the same reason He spoke in parables to the masses.

don't get your last sentence. Jesus is God's Christ, the world;s Savior. God's Plan A to save the world and recoil it to Himself since before the foundations of the Earth.

lets examine the BIble verses from your last statement:

John 17
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world,[c] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[d] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

this is referring to "the glory which You gave Me" not the nature of God but the nature of empowerment and common mission and purpose. It continues with how Jesus reveals to His disciples how they should live and think and reassures them of God's love.

 

[AnandaHya]

1 Timothy 1:17
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:14-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ’s appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

2 Timothy 1:8-10
New King James Version (NKJV)
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,

1 Corinthians 15:54
So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Romans 2:6-8
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:[a] 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,

 

[cronjecj]

Boy, this thread just keeps throwing red flags errrrwhere.

especially when trinity is mentioned.

Yes sir, I am. Why would I be? Simple, it's what the bible tells us to believe.

ref?

There is no logical problem with one being, expressed in three persons.

one being yet three expressed persons is the problem, it's one being one person.

God the Son, God the Father, God the Holy Spirit.

All God, each, are a different "person".

one God one person.

 

[WeStand]

In the Name of the Father of Abraham, Issiac & Jacob; The Father of this Covenant, that was made in Love, Who IS Love, who IS the most powerful physical force, in both the negative & our positive universe (morenaturally); The Creator of Life & The source of Love: Always has been, still IS, & Always will be Forever & Ever and thats that (amen). Our Father YAHAVAH.

In & through the name of Your Son, Jesus The Christ/Yeshua Messiah, the Annoited ONE of YAH; the SON in whom YAH is well pleased, our Lord of Lords, our King of Kings, and each & EVERYONE"S personal Saviour, Yeshua Messiah/Melchezidek (King of The Justified kills) seated at this time, in his proper place at the right hand of E'l Shadua; Get Over Death Almighty;

And from the holy intellectual thought conciousness, that dwells within this flesh Tabranacle;

OUR Father whom art in HEAVEN (Heaven being wherever YOU ARE) Sacred & Hallowed be Thy Name; My Kings Will, Always has been, still IS, and Always Will be done upon this Earth, just as it IS amongst the Heavens AND Thats That (amen)

Yep! Christ IS the ONLY way to GOD. Getting Over Death/Satan

& Just like Ma Bell; we got the ill-comunication, lol, Beastie Boy's

Forever in Christ

 

[jimmydiggs]

ref?

Here's a ref!

I'm gunna go eat lunch.

 

[cronjecj]

Cronjecj, tell us why the modalist teachings of Noetus, Praxeas and Sabellius (in the 200s AD) were rejected by the contemporary Church Fathers?

because they spoke truth ? idk

too lazy to google that now will check on it later

 

[cronjecj]

I'm gunna go eat lunch.

had this for lunch..

tx for my ref

 

[tribesman]

because they spoke truth ? idk

too lazy to google that now will check on it later

If their doctrine had been apostolic it would not have been rejected by the Fathers. That is actually all you need to know.

 

[cronjecj]

In the Name of the Father of Abraham, Issiac & Jacob; The Father of this Covenant, that was made in Love, Who IS Love, who IS the most powerful physical force, in both the negative & our positive universe (morenaturally); The Creator of Life & The source of Love: Always has been, still IS, & Always will be Forever & Ever and thats that (amen). Our Father YAHAVAH.

In & through the name of Your Son, Jesus The Christ/Yeshua Messiah, the Annoited ONE of YAH; the SON in whom YAH is well pleased, our Lord of Lords, our King of Kings, and each & EVERYONE"S personal Saviour, Yeshua Messiah/Melchezidek (King of The Justified kills) seated at this time, in his proper place at the right hand of E'l Shadua; Get Over Death Almighty;

And from the holy intellectual thought conciousness, that dwells within this flesh Tabranacle;

OUR Father whom art in HEAVEN (Heaven being wherever YOU ARE) Sacred & Hallowed be Thy Name; My Kings Will, Always has been, still IS, and Always Will be done upon this Earth, just as it IS amongst the Heavens AND Thats That (amen)

Yep! Christ IS the ONLY way to GOD. Getting Over Death/Satan

& Just like Ma Bell; we got the ill-comunication, lol, Beastie Boy's

Forever in Christ

what are you actually saying here ?

 

[cronjecj]

If their doctrine had been apostolic it would not have been rejected by the Fathers. That is actually all you need to know.

ok thx.

oh by the way what was their doctrine?

 

[tribesman]

ok thx.

oh by the way what was their doctrine?

Trinitarian, like Paul. Which goes without saying.

There's no record of anyone having taught modalism before the three mentioned names. So that was a later deviation.

 

[WeStand]

what are you actually saying here ?

I don,t understand why you don't understand lol

The wriiten Covenant that was made in Love; that was both Confirmed & Affirmed by the same Living Word, Christ/Messiah; who came here in the flesh, to be representitive of Our Father; no other human could ever do that; because it was not willed to us.

We are not representitive of Our Father; but rather here to practise being Christ-Like, encountering the same, and probably more confusion about The Son; than the scribes & pharasies were spreading about The Father, in Christ's time.

Forever in Christ

 

[Crossfire]

I don,t understand why you don't understand lol

The wriiten Covenant that was made in Love; that was both Confirmed & Affirmed by the same Living Word, Christ/Messiah; who came here in the flesh, to be representitive of Our Father; no other human could ever do that; because it was not willed to us.

We are not representitive of Our Father; but rather here to practise being Christ-Like, encountering the same, and probably more confusion about The Son; than the scribes & pharasies were spreading about The Father, in Christ's time.

Forever in Christ

That's not true at all my friend.

It amazes me how many Christians are unable to comprehend the duality of Christ and it explains why the modern church (especially in America) looks and acts no differently than the world because they have no idea what means to live a life of surrender to the workings of the Holy Spirit in and through us.

After Marry was visited by an Angel, he told her that she would be the one who would give birth to the Messiah, the Holy Spirit descended upon her and she became impregnated by the Holy Spirit. We often times fail to understand this process because we naturally think of procreation in terms of male and female, with the male providing the seed and the female providing the egg resulting in a life who's body / soul / spirit is completely independent from both the male and female. That was not the case when Marry became impregnated with Jesus. You see, the Holy Spirit did not provide the seed, the Holy Spirit Himself was the seed.

By all means was Jesus human in every way. He had a mind and a soul all of His own. He felt emotions and temptations as any human would. However, what made Jesus different is that he was born with a measure of the omnipresent Holy Spirit already inside of Him. He was spiritually connected to the Father in heaven from day one. Jesus was both 100% human and 100% divine simultaneously.

Now here's where you and I come in. When a Christian is born again, that same Spirit which resided in Jesus, who both taught and empowered Jesus to live out the will of the Father on here earth, now resides in you. Whether you realize it or not, you are Christ-like because you too are now spiritually connected to the Father in heaven just as Jesus was during his days here on earth. Scripture refers to Jesus as 'the first born of many brethren' and if you are indeed born again, you are one of the brethren.

In ending, my question to you is this: Are you going to believe what Jesus Himself and the authors of scripture say about the brethren, our identity in Christ as children of the Most High and given authority by our risen Lord and Savior through the inhabitation of the Christ's own divinity (Holy Spirit)? Or, are you going to listen to the doctrines of men which say you are nothing and will never be more than a sinner saved by grace predestined to live the rest of your life enslaved by sin which is nothing more than a lie from hell created so that you will never understand your divine potential here on earth?

The choice is yours....

 

[Grandpa]

Jesus has to be God. Only a perfectly unblemished, perfectly Holy, perfectly obedient, perfectly Powerful sacrifice could possibly atone for the sins of the whole world. Only God qualifies...

Confusion arises when a person tries to understand how. God's ways aren't our ways. Gods ways are much higher than our ways.

God came down from Heaven and died for your sins. How? Well He's God, that's how. He's not bound by our limited understanding.

 

[Crossfire]

Jesus has to be God. Only a perfectly unblemished, perfectly Holy, perfectly obedient, perfectly Powerful sacrifice could possibly atone for the sins of the whole world. Only God qualifies...

Confusion arises when a person tries to understand how. God's ways aren't our ways. Gods ways are much higher than our ways.

God came down from Heaven and died for your sins. How? Well He's God, that's how. He's not bound by our limited understanding.

The problem in the modern church is that many have misunderstood the trinity. We tend to think of the Father, the Spirit and the Son as separate entities when in truth all three are one mind or will with different physical or spiritual attributes. Just because Jesus was human does not make Him any less God. He was a man inhabited by the Spirit of God who willingly laid down his humanity (human desires and emotions) in favor of the will of the Father.

Jesus was not a 'superman'. He was a human who lived a life of complete surrender to the divinity which resided inside of Him. Once the disciples were able to comprehend this, they too were able to walk as Jesus walked spreading the gospel and healing the sick. It's very unfortunate that most believers do not understand or are even taught to reject this teaching resulting in a Spiritually deprived church that looks and acts no different than the sinful world.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

..it's not God the Son, it's THE Son of God.

u are A son of God but there is only one THE Son of God and that is Jesus Christ the Almighty God that came in the flesh.

it's never God the....God the...God the.... , this explanation leads to error because it sounds like 3 God's or 3 different entities whereas according to the Word the Lord God is one.

Jesus Christ is the,

God in the beginning
Angel of the Lord
Melchizedek
Prince of Peace
Everlasting Father
Mighty God
Lord of Hosts
The Son of God
High priest forever

..they are ONE and the SAME.

Blessings to you

Yes, there is only one God - and His Son is Jesus Christ. One God, one Lord!