Jesus is the law

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Yonah

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"Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to everyone who believes." (Romans 10:4)
that word rendered END is not the what most seem to think but the Koine greek word from which it is translated actuallt means the goal so when people quote this verse to try to say the our Savior did exactly the opposite of what he taught , I suggest at least a topical word study into this verse...
 
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i'm tryna avoid disputatious mode, so i'll just ask what sources there are that 1 Cor was originally written in anything but Koine Greek, please?

also, kinda perplexed by that last line :eek:
It seems that the current language during the time of the writing of the New Testament was a form of Aramaic called Peshitta, before translated into Greek. So I'm in the process of studying that translation at this point after many years of studying the KJV. As far as my last line that you refer to, Jesus is the representation of His Father. Some get confused with terms and divide Jesus from God inadvertently endorsing that God now follows Jesus' teachings rather than Jesus following God's instructions.

So in conclusion, the term "Lord Jesus" clarifies that Jesus follows God. If scripture was to say "Jesus Lord" meaning (Jesus God instead of Jesus Messiah) then we could truly teach that Jesus over-rode His Father and taught something different via the New Covenant. This would be a backwards misconception.

"I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me." John 8:18

Jesus came from God, but God didn't come from Jesus. That's about as plain as I can state it. By the way, you're pretty nice in my book. Just wanted to say that.

"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." John 8:42

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." John 12:49

God Almighty doesn't take back anything He's ever spoken or will speak. He doesn't change, and doesn't need to, for His is total perfection.
 

MarcR

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The verse before the one you show puts forth brother as law there

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My brothers keeper, or law keeper, as love keeping the law would be being your brothers keeper in the sense of things
The principle in James 4:11 seems to follow: Mt 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
KJV especially verse 39. This, in turn, follows: Lev 19:18
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
KJV


The intent, IMO, is: Since Ro 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
KJV;

therefore, judging one's brother contradicts the 'Law of the Spirit of Life'. which states that there is now NO CONDEMNATION.

At least that's how I see it.
 
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psychomom

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I missed the previous conversation; having jumped to the last page of the thread; so I have no comment here except to say that it's great to see you still posting.

I hope this means you've decided to stay.
Marc, thank you so much.

i thought about responding in the other thread, but decided against it, hoping not to revive it?

but i appreciate you more than you may know. :)
 

MarcR

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This one will get people going. Jesus is not God, but God the fullness of God is in Christ Jesus. It's the Lord Jesus, not the Jesus Lord.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 19:5 Name means the fullness of ones character.

There is no scripture stating "Jesus is Lord" or "Jesus Lord" without a comma, but there are 4 scriptures with a comma as in "Jesus, Lord" when people are addressing Christ in conversation. Matthew 17:4, Luke 23:42, John 11:21, and John 21:21

Jesus is the "right hand of God."

Consider this scripture when thinking about The/our Almighty God in His fullness.

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." 1 Corinthians 15:28

This doesn't take the deity away from Christ, but as Jesus Christ said of Himself, He was always in subjection to His unchanging Father who is the Almighty God. Therefore the law of Christ is also the law of God. There is no difference in anything God has ever spoken, and anything that Jesus Christ ever taught, or represents that differs from His own Father who gave the law to His own. So yes, Jesus is the Spiritual representation, and epitome of His Father's law.
Your statement does not reconcile with jn 1:1-14, IMO.

Denying the Deity of Jesus is (by the moderators' standards [NOT MINE, though I agree with them] heresy).
 
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psychomom

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As far as my last line that you refer to, Jesus is the representation of His Father. Some get confused with terms and divide Jesus from God inadvertently endorsing that God now follows Jesus' teachings rather than Jesus following God's instructions.

So in conclusion, the term "Lord Jesus" clarifies that Jesus follows God. If scripture was to say "Jesus Lord" meaning (Jesus God instead of Jesus Messiah) then we could truly teach that Jesus over-rode His Father and taught something different via the New Covenant. This would be a backwards misconception.
linguistics aside, i guess, (including word placement, which differs from language to language)

i agree that the Lord Jesus ( :)) came in the flesh to do the will of His Father.
but that was just for the time He emptied Himself and took on the form of a servant for our sakes, right? :confused:

i mean, do you think the Second Person of the Godhead is still subservient to the First?

(i'm tired, so pay no attention if none of that made sense :eek:)
 
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psychomom

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The principle in James 4:11 seems to follow: Mt 22:37-40
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
KJV especially verse 39. This, in turn, follows: Lev 19:18
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
KJV


The intent, IMO, is: Since Ro 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
KJV;

therefore, judging one's brother contradicts the 'Law of the Spirit of Life'. which states that there is now NO CONDEMNATION.

At least that's how I see it.
do you think the judging James speaks of is the judging of an eternal nature?
like, we have no place judging whether or not someone else is saved?

as in Matt 10:28 and Is 33:22?

thanks! :)
 

MarcR

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It seems that the current language during the time of the writing of the New Testament was a form of Aramaic called Peshitta, before translated into Greek. So I'm in the process of studying that translation at this point after many years of studying the KJV. As far as my last line that you refer to, Jesus is the representation of His Father. Some get confused with terms and divide Jesus from God inadvertently endorsing that God now follows Jesus' teachings rather than Jesus following God's instructions.

So in conclusion, the term "Lord Jesus" clarifies that Jesus follows God. If scripture was to say "Jesus Lord" meaning (Jesus God instead of Jesus Messiah) then we could truly teach that Jesus over-rode His Father and taught something different via the New Covenant. This would be a backwards misconception.

"I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me." John 8:18

Jesus came from God, but God didn't come from Jesus. That's about as plain as I can state it. By the way, you're pretty nice in my book. Just wanted to say that.

"Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." John 8:42

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." John 12:49

God Almighty doesn't take back anything He's ever spoken or will speak. He doesn't change, and doesn't need to, for His is total perfection.
The Peshita, is NOT a language. It is a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Syrian Aramaic; to which parts of the New Testament, also translated into Syrian Aramaic, were added. The translation was done in the late second century AD; probably about A. D. 165-170.
 

MarcR

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do you think the judging James speaks of is the judging of an eternal nature?
like, we have no place judging whether or not someone else is saved?

as in Matt 10:28 and Is 33:22?

thanks! :)
I do indeed!
 
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The Peshita, is NOT a language. It is a translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Syrian Aramaic; to which parts of the New Testament, also translated into Syrian Aramaic, were added. The translation was done in the late second century AD; probably about A. D. 165-170.
You're right. Sorry that I didn't make myself clear. It's a dialect of Aramaic, not a language, just like high German and low German. Another example would be the difference between southern and north American speech. I was just saying that this dialect was used during the time of Christ and the writings of the apostles, and seems to have been the norm for most people in the surrounding areas. Paul's letters were translated for people who were not acquainted with that language, as I understand. I don't differ with your input however. I was only referring to the New Testament scriptures in the AENT that I recently purchased. I find no discrepancies of any consequence with the KJV. God bless you. thanks
 
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MarcR

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is it words-worth, long fellow?

Cute!

While William Wordsworth, and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow seem to have both lost some of their (once extensive) popularity; both have made sufficient contribution to English Language literature (on both sides of the Atlantic) to deserve not having their names mangled, IMO.
 
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DesiredHaven

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I believe John tells us about one eternal aspect in respects to ones brother
which we dont have to judge so much as we are given to know


1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer:
and ye know
that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.