Jesus killed the law causing enmity to cease

[Least]

Waited to long to edit, but I wanted to fix one thing..

Hi Biblelogic, Just wanted to share some passages that go into the "high priest," from throughout the word, and verses on the standard of Judgement.

That was suppose to be at the start of my message, I somehow added it within the quote...

The above post is directed toward many of the statements made throughout this message string.

 

[just-me]

​ 1 WE establish the law by using and recognizing its proper function. "Even an heir, as long as he is a child is under tutors and governors" The law was a school master to bring us to Christ. 2 Paul is saying that he is following what the law and prophets were pointing towards, the messiah and the resurrection, which the jews hated. Even the sadducees and pharisees disagreed on whether there is a resurrection. 3 I'm not sure what you mean. It was said of old , thou shall not commit adultery ,but I say unto you if you look upon a woman with lust you have committed adultery already, Jesus increased the demands of the law, because it was now a heart issue , not an outside ordinance, and needful of being born again, with a new nature

That's it. You described very well that the Torah has never changed or has never been done away with in Christ Jesus. God sent His only begotten Son Messiah to change our perspectives so we could understand the Spiritual concepts of the Torah/law as it was meant to be understood from the beginning at Sinai.

If we demand that the New Covenant is absent of the Torah, we are not part of the true New Covenant in Christ Jesus because our doctrine is "lawless" (without law) and then the law will continuously point out our transgressions of disobedience when we observe it. That's why false doctrines of fictitious salvation such as this preach turning our backs on the law the exact way ancient Israel did. The degradation of The United States is in our face day in and day out. The churches that have preached this "lawlessness" (using Jesus and the grace of God as an excuse) have paved the way for our country's degradation. We have made more laws according to the human perspective than God ever gave to Israel. Jesus never changed His Father's will concerning the Torah. Jesus came to rightly interpret the Torah in Spirit for those who truly believe could properly understand it the way God originally intended all along.

Concerning adultery and looking on a woman with lust I present this scripture that shows us to fight against the temptation leading to an adulterous act.

"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:14-15

The Torah is meant to instruct believers for the purpose of preventing sin from taking a predominant role in our lives. If a person that desires to kill another person knows they will also be put to death (according to the original Torah) that thought can, and usually will keep the potential murderer from following through. By the way, all murderers are insane whether temporarily or permanently.

"And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." Deuteronomy 21:21

 

[just-me]

Aaron was the second High Priest mentioned in the bible, before Aaron and his sons were made priests, the only mention of there being a High Priest, is in regards to Melchizedek.
Who was without Father or mother...So even before the Mosaic law was given(at least to the Hebrew people,) there was indeed a High Priest on this earth, "without father and without mother."

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Not only was it the job of the High Priest to teach the law, but also to uphold it, putting a difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, (As you can see in the Leviticus passages above.)

The enmity between God and man is the carnal mind. It's not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.

Good post. this one

I did an interesting study some time ago on Salem and Melchizedek that I thought would be edifying to to others as it has been to me.
Melchizedec
Melech = a royal king
Zedec = equity in Judgement
מלכיצדק the name means the royal king offering equity

The giving of life by chaos and blood,
providing the way through the power to endure what was necessary,
and in turn giving mankind the hope of entering into understanding
by cutting away darkness with a sword.

The name has seven letters, and seven represents Spiritual completeness via the Fathers perfection
The royal king and priest of Salem means to greet with happiness, shalom and
peace – shalem = Jerusalem

Jerusalem = ”founded by God”
ירושלים “The fulfillment of what I promised through Jesus Christ”

י the hand of receiving
ר giving of a divine force
ו by what is nailed

ש influx of the Holy Spirit
ל perfect government
ם the mighty

shalom (שלם) =peace, as in friendly greeting and shalem spelled the same with a slightly different pronunciation meaning peaceful

Jeru = giving to us Jesus Christ - the place of habitation.
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.” Psalm 12:6

First: was shalom (happy welcome or greeting)/shalem (meaning peace)
The mighty influx of the Holy Spirit motivating a perfect government instructions to believers by His law.

Then: “Jeru” = giving to us what was promised by what is nailed- Jesus Christ

Finally: “Jerusalem” = the fulfillment of what was promised through Jesus Christ

It seems to be true that Melchizedec was/is actually Jesus Christ that communicated with Abraham.

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, “The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6

 

[peacefulbeliever]

<snip>It seems to be true that Melchizedec was/is actually Jesus Christ that communicated with Abraham.

<snip>

Jesus Christ was a priest after the order of Melchizedec in that neither one came from the "order of Aaron" - neither one came from the Levitical Priesthood. They, therefore had no genealogy, no family records and should have been excluded from the priesthood as unclean. [Ezra 2:62; Neh. 7:64] That is the meaning of "without father or mother, without genealogy". Made "like unto the Son of God" or "resembling the Son of God" [NIV].

Hebrews 7:6 This man (Melchizedec), however, did not trace his descent from Levi . . . 11) If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis or a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. For it is declared: You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. The former regulation [having to be in the Levitical line of Priesthood] is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced by which we draw near to God.

 

[just-me]

Jesus Christ was a priest after the order of Melchizedec in that neither one came from the "order of Aaron" - neither one came from the Levitical Priesthood. They, therefore had no genealogy, no family records and should have been excluded from the priesthood as unclean. [Ezra 2:62; Neh. 7:64] That is the meaning of "without father or mother, without genealogy". Made "like unto the Son of God" or "resembling the Son of God" [NIV].

Hebrews 7:6 This man (Melchizedec), however, did not trace his descent from Levi . . . 11) If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis or a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. For it is declared: You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. The former regulation [having to be in the Levitical line of Priesthood] is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced by which we draw near to God.

Jesus fulfilling His obligation was the priesthood of offerings and sacrifice. Our responsibility is to fulfill the self governing aspects of the law according to the instruction in spirit of the law. Sacrifice, is fulfilled in Christ for Jesus is our sacrifice. Obedience to His words are ours, and when we fail (and we will) the sacrifice for sin has been made by Christ Jesus. We should study these things to enable us to comprehend His wonder, or relationship to Him, and His might as the Mediator of a new and better covenant. The writings of Moses cannot be bypassed if we are to understand Jesus' teachings. (John 5:46-47)

Salem was taken over by the Jebusites after Abraham, and king David finally conquered "Jebus" (Jerusalem), him being a Jew as Jesus was of the tribe of Judah. Not only that, Jesus Christ was the "Angel" that led Israel into the promised land. Joshua, being renamed by Moses was the general at that time and his name in Hebrew is the same as Jesus in Greek.

Exodus 23:20-23-Take note of what I have highlighted in red.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

Take special note of his voice...... I speak

This is a Spiritual message of being "born again."

"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" John 3:7-10

 

[just-me]

Salem was taken over by the Jebusites after Abraham, and king David finally conquered "Jebus" (Jerusalem), him being a Jew as Jesus was of the tribe of Judah. Not only that, Jesus Christ was the "Angel" that led Israel into the promised land. Joshua, being renamed by Moses was the general at that time and his name in Hebrew is the same as Jesus in Greek.

One more thing. Jerusalem was actually within the borders of Benjamin being the tribe of Paul. Bethlehem was in the borders of Judah being the tribe of Jesus Christ.

"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." Romans 11:1

"For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood." Hebrews 7:14

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Jesus fulfilling His obligation was the priesthood of offerings and sacrifice. Our responsibility is to fulfill the self governing aspects of the law according to the instruction in spirit of the law. Sacrifice, is fulfilled in Christ for Jesus is our sacrifice. Obedience to His words are ours, and when we fail (and we will) the sacrifice for sin has been made by Christ Jesus. We should study these things to enable us to comprehend His wonder, or relationship to Him, and His might as the Mediator of a new and better covenant. The writings of Moses cannot be bypassed if we are to understand Jesus' teachings. (John 5:46-47)

Salem was taken over by the Jebusites after Abraham, and king David finally conquered "Jebus" (Jerusalem), him being a Jew as Jesus was of the tribe of Judah. Not only that, Jesus Christ was the "Angel" that led Israel into the promised land. Joshua, being renamed by Moses was the general at that time and his name in Hebrew is the same as Jesus in Greek.

Exodus 23:20-23-Take note of what I have highlighted in red.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

Take special note of his voice...... I speak

This is a Spiritual message of being "born again."

"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" John 3:7-10

Are you now saying that Jesus Christ was an angel? God uses the word "angel" and I think he meant "angel" . . . .

Angels are God's messengers, God's "divine agents" sent to represent and speak for God.

"obey his voice" - the angel's voice . . . "do all that I speak" - represented through the angel 's voice . . .

How do the verses you quoted relate to being born again?

 

[gb9]

I love it when you guys post something and then write commentary on your own posts. just me, guess you never heard of the simplicity that is Christ, as Paul said.

 

[just-me]

Are you now saying that Jesus Christ was an angel? God uses the word "angel" and I think he meant "angel" . . . .

Angels are God's messengers, God's "divine agents" sent to represent and speak for God.

"obey his voice" - the angel's voice . . . "do all that I speak" - represented through the angel 's voice . . .

How do the verses you quoted relate to being born again?

Praying to God that we would be delivered from captivity that is within in the values of the carnal world. i.e. Egypt
Being delivered from death by the shedding of blood. Crucifixion/Passover
Christ raising from the dead i.e the crossing of the Red Sea
Being given the living water i.e the tree God showed Moses that made the water palatable to drink
The giving of the Torah for our instructions in righteousness i.e. the giving of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost
The conquering of Canaan land i.e. being given the opportunity to possess God's promise of being a member of His kingdom through Yeshua bar Yoseph (Jesus) Yeshua bar Nun (Joshua)

Who is our Creator, who is our savior, and who was in the fiery pillar that saved Israel from the Pharaoh at the shores of the Read Sea?

All scripture must be seen through spiritual eyes. If we cannot see it, then we need to ask for it. When Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus said that if they saw Him they have see the Father. This was not the physical stature that Jesus was referring to. When we understand, the term we use is "I see."

 

[JesusLives]

When we walk with the Lord, In the light of His Word
What a glory He sheds on our way
When we do His good will, He abides with us still
and with all who will trust and obey.

Trust and obey for there's no other way
To be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey.....

 

[just-me]

I love it when you guys post something and then write commentary on your own posts. just me, guess you never heard of the simplicity that is Christ, as Paul said.

There is a difference between simplicity and simple mindedness. I'm happy you love it, and I hear your assumption.
"Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression." Psalm 19:13

 

[just-me]

When we walk with the Lord, In the light of His Word
What a glory He sheds on our way
When we do His good will, He abides with us still
and with all who will trust and obey.

Trust and obey for there's no other way
To be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey.....

[video=youtube;TDpqBEEY6as]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDpqBEEY6as[/video]

 

[Biblelogic01]

Leviticus 10:8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,

Leviticus 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Leviticus 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

Leviticus 10:11 And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.

Aaron was the second High Priest mentioned in the bible, before Aaron and his sons were made priests, the only mention of there being a High Priest, is in regards to Melchizedek.
Who was without Father or mother...So even before the Mosaic law was given(at least to the Hebrew people,) there was indeed a High Priest on this earth, "without father and without mother."

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Not only was it the job of the High Priest to teach the law, but also to uphold it, putting a difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, (As you can see in the Leviticus passages above.)

Even during the trial of Jesus the high priest at that time questioned Jesus, as to examine His responses by the Law.

Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

Jesus answered, not only stating whom HE is, but he also referenced Palm and Daniel 7

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

(Jesus even responded, with His own word, from the OT. He did the same when he answered the enemy during the temptation. Three times, responding with HIS word...

Mark 14:63 Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

The enmity between God and man is the carnal mind. It's not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.

Psalms 110 is one of many passages that foretold of the coming of the Messiah,

Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

What is being put under His feet? All things that are corrupt, and all things that offend. As Paul stated, none of these things will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Psalms 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
Psalms 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
Psalms 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of
Melchizedek.
Psalms 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
Psalms 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

What do you think HIS standards are in Judgement?

Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

Thank you for the clarification. I haven't done studies on the High Priest in a long time. I'm in the process of recovering from slipping away from the God and the word. So I'm rusty on some things, not all, but some.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Praying to God that we would be delivered from captivity that is within in the values of the carnal world. i.e. Egypt
Being delivered from death by the shedding of blood. Crucifixion/Passover
Christ raising from the dead i.e the crossing of the Red Sea
Being given the living water i.e the tree God showed Moses that made the water palatable to drink
The giving of the Torah for our instructions in righteousness i.e. the giving of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost
The conquering of Canaan land i.e. being given the opportunity to possess God's promise of being a member of His kingdom through Yeshua bar Yoseph (Jesus) Yeshua bar Nun (Joshua)

Who is our Creator, who is our savior, and who was in the fiery pillar that saved Israel from the Pharaoh at the shores of the Read Sea?

All scripture must be seen through spiritual eyes. If we cannot see it, then we need to ask for it. When Philip asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus said that if they saw Him they have see the Father. This was not the physical stature that Jesus was referring to. When we understand, the term we use is "I see."

I'm not saying that there are not prophecies concerning our Lord . . . I didn't say that there are not types and shadows representing our Lord . . . But Melchizedec was not Jesus - Melchizedec was "like unto" the Son of God nor was Jesus the angel of God - the angel of God was the angel of God. Yes, when we look at Jesus we see the Father . . . Did that make him the Father? Nope - the Son had the Father's characteristics and by knowing the Son we can know the Father.

Sometimes I think when we look at EVERYTHING with a spiritual connotation, we can read TOO much into scripture.

 

[Grandpa]

Colossians 2:20-23
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
[SUP]21 [/SUP](Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

You still don't understand Christianity or Christ? How can this be?

Galatians 2:19-21

[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Colossians 3:1-3
[SUP]1[/SUP]If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Are we to observe the Light or the shadow? Its great to have an understanding of what the shadow was trying to point us to. Its even better to understand that once we come to the Light this is where we are to stay. We are not to turn back to the weak and beggarly elements that we were under before we came to faith in Christ. We have a new understanding of what those weak and beggarly elements were trying to do but had no Power to Perform.

And that is the gist of Christianity. We behold the One who changes us. The One who has Power to Perform. We don't go back to beholding our condemnation in commandments that don't have any power to grow fruit in our lives, except the fruit of condemnation and death.

1 Corinthians 15:56-57

[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

So which one should you observe? The sting of death or our Victory in Christ Jesus? I guess you have to come to Christ to begin to behold our Victory. Otherwise you are stuck observing the sting of death.

 

[Grandpa]

2 Corinthians 3:5-8
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

What is this ministration of the spirit? If you are busy with beggarly elements you will never know.

2 Corinthians 3:14-18

[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[fredjames]

You should read further on, someone corrected me and I agreed with them. Please stop picking and choose what you're are stating against me.

Also, with all your accusations against me, let's see what Yeshua has to say about judging one another.

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Spiritual man of GOD taught of 'All Scripture' are able to judge, in 'just' and 'fair' measure to 'unite' and not divide' and get rid the 'yeast' of the 'Pharisees'. And i am not against you, but you are against the written Holy Scripture 'FAITH' from the 'beginning', in your 'self' understanding, ignoring others who are in service and witnessing 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' on behalf of GOD's lambs and sheep. We are 'witnessing' that you continue witness anyway possible and trying to 'teach' others about the 'Torah'. Please look at the 'corrections' of our LORD in 'AGAPE' to you and others like you, rather looking at me as an unworthy 'instrument' for 'words/teachings of CHRIST', as it is written and 'firmly' witnessing to 'built up' those who 'believe' them in 'FAITH' being again 'reminded' and one's 'memory stirred up' for 'FAITH' determination. These are 'truly' and firmly' testified, for it is from the 'anointing' placed in me and even others, in order to serve you also and others who are also 'witnessing' as well.

Please examine your 'self' first in action witnessing the written Holy Scripture and it is not as it is written and therefore 'deviating' from 'Grace and Truth' of the written New Covenant, i truly say still as a 'truthful' friend who is concern of your 'spiritual welfare' that you are not yet 'conformed' to the 'sound doctrine' HOLY BIBLE 'spiritual faith' and 'witnessing' for CHRIST, the Kingdom of GOD, written in the 'foundation' of the HOLY BIBLE.

JESUS did 'judge' and 'condemn' the Pharisees of their 'wickedness', that all this while they were ignorantly 'practicing', in lack of 'truth understanding' like JESUS, in truly what GOD requires of the 'Torah' and you do not realize you are a 'repeat' acting like one, who are not 'rooted' well in the written Holy Scripture and fully taught by the HOLY SPIRIT, and rather 'witnessing' as it is written that we will 'recognize' and 'welcome' you. But 'boldly' you are continuing in your 'versions' and 'interpretations' of the HOLY BIBLE time and time again.

How many may the 'man of GOD' must continue to talk to you and force convince you, when you do not understand your ignorant 'behavior of incomplete faith' or to say fairly in 'initial faith' and 'without guilt and shame' still witnessing to others the same even 'quoting' other Holy Scripture in 'incomplete interpretation'.

Are we to remain 'dumb' and 'silent' and allow 'all' things to flow and watch the ending, of developed 'confusion' and further 'division' among us.

Even Joshua and Caleb did not give in to the other's 'witnessing' in 'little faith' in lack knowledge faith of their GOD and what HE has done and able to do, but stood 'firm' with Moses according to that knowledge, 'in faith and not by sight', which he has earlier 'imparted' to Israel at Mont Sinai and 'as it is written' for our 'FAITH' witnessing today.

i am not being 'hard' on you but am being 'Graceful' and 'truthful', according to 'as it is written' and that is the 'FAITH' in me and others who are 'witnessing firmly'.

If you still do not 'get it', i will stop continuing with you and let others do a better job than me towards you.

Thank you for 'putting up' with me and GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[fredjames]

Spiritual man of GOD taught of 'All Scripture' are able to judge, in 'just' and 'fair' measure to 'unite' and not divide' and get rid the 'yeast' of the 'Pharisees'. And i am not against you, but you are against the written Holy Scripture 'FAITH' from the 'beginning', in your 'self' understanding, ignoring others who are in service and witnessing 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' on behalf of GOD's lambs and sheep. We are 'witnessing' that you continue witness anyway possible and trying to 'teach' others about the 'Torah'. Please look at the 'corrections' of our LORD in 'AGAPE' to you and others like you, rather looking at me as an unworthy 'instrument' for 'words/teachings of CHRIST', as it is written and 'firmly' witnessing to 'built up' those who 'believe' them in 'FAITH' being again 'reminded' and one's 'memory stirred up' for 'FAITH' determination. These are 'truly' and firmly' testified, for it is from the 'anointing' placed in me and even others, in order to serve you also and others who are also 'witnessing' as well.

Please examine your 'self' first in action witnessing the written Holy Scripture and it is not as it is written and therefore 'deviating' from 'Grace and Truth' of the written New Covenant, i truly say still as a 'truthful' friend who is concern of your 'spiritual welfare' that you are not yet 'conformed' to the 'sound doctrine' HOLY BIBLE 'spiritual faith' and 'witnessing' for CHRIST, the Kingdom of GOD, written in the 'foundation' of the HOLY BIBLE.

JESUS did 'judge' and 'condemn' the Pharisees of their 'wickedness', that all this while they were ignorantly 'practicing', in lack of 'truth understanding' like JESUS, in truly what GOD requires of the 'Torah' and you do not realize you are a 'repeat' acting like one, who are not 'rooted' well in the written Holy Scripture and fully taught by the HOLY SPIRIT, and rather 'witnessing' as it is written that we will 'recognize' and 'welcome' you. But 'boldly' you are continuing in your 'versions' and 'interpretations' of the HOLY BIBLE time and time again.

How many may the 'man of GOD' must continue to talk to you and force convince you, when you do not understand your ignorant 'behavior of incomplete faith' or to say fairly in 'initial faith' and 'without guilt and shame' still witnessing to others the same even 'quoting' other Holy Scripture in 'incomplete interpretation'.

Are we to remain 'dumb' and 'silent' and allow 'all' things to flow and watch the ending, of developed 'confusion' and further 'division' among us.

Even Joshua and Caleb did not give in to the other's 'witnessing' in 'little faith' in lack knowledge faith of their GOD and what HE has done and able to do, but stood 'firm' with Moses according to that knowledge, 'in faith and not by sight', which he has earlier 'imparted' to Israel at Mont Sinai and 'as it is written' for our 'FAITH' witnessing today.

i am not being 'hard' on you but am being 'Graceful' and 'truthful', according to 'as it is written' and that is the 'FAITH' in me and others who are 'witnessing firmly'.

If you still do not 'get it', i will stop continuing with you and let others do a better job than me towards you.

Thank you for 'putting up' with me and GOD bless you in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

LORD JESUS CHRIST have 'helped' me 'remove' the 'log' in my own eyes 'in Spiritual knowledge faith'. And now i can clearly 'see', in order according to them that is written and taught in 'witnessing' able to remove the 'speck' in other's eyes who are also 'faithful' but at times may forget due to 'situations' and 'circumstances' of this world.

You are very 'clever' and like closely 'sir just me' who 'hypocritically' think he can love you better apart from the LORD's Teachings and HIS actions, in order to excuse your 'selves' from the Holy Scripture 'corrections' of GOD.

As it is written to you 'competitors' of the written Holy Scripture, that;

"I speak what I see with My FATHER, but you do what your father tells you to do."

i will 'stop' now, for i am 'discouraged' and am not 'allowed' to help anymore in this matter for the sake of GOD's lambs and sheep given to CHRIST. For everything in 'just' and 'fair' have already been 'said' and 'given' to 'ponder' first, for the 'Kingdom wise' in taught 'FAITH' receive these 'encouraged' in order to be further be 'built up' closer to HIM.

Let it be, 'you 400 prophets say anything against that single unworthy prophet, who only spoke the truth for GOD'.

The 400 were 'false' and were 'soothing' to 'itching ears' but the 'single one' was 'faithful' and 'truthful' and no body listened to him.

 

[just-me]

I'm not saying that there are not prophecies concerning our Lord . . . I didn't say that there are not types and shadows representing our Lord . . . But Melchizedec was not Jesus - Melchizedec was "like unto" the Son of God nor was Jesus the angel of God - the angel of God was the angel of God. Yes, when we look at Jesus we see the Father . . . Did that make him the Father? Nope - the Son had the Father's characteristics and by knowing the Son we can know the Father.

Sometimes I think when we look at EVERYTHING with a spiritual connotation, we can read TOO much into scripture.

We all know these scriptures and that our Lord and Savior was in all of unchanging recorded scripture from the beginning. There are not 2 Messiahs or 2 Sons of God.

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" Isaiah 46:10

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." John 1:1-2 and 10

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Genesis 1:1

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;" Colossians 1:18-19

"I and my Father are one." John 10:30

Jesus is both the son af man, and the Son of God who made all things happen that are recorded in scripture.

If we deny the fact that Jesus was with Israel even at Mount Sinai we also have to deny that He is the same today and yesterday, and that the changing of the Priesthood was all within the plan of salvation from the beginning. Our Lord makes it all happen. Without the first still being relevant for today there can be no fulfillment by changing the foreshadow or saying Christ wasn't with Israel from the time of the Exodus.

 

[just-me]

Colossians 2:20-23
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
[SUP]21 [/SUP](Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

You still don't understand Christianity or Christ? How can this be?

Torching and tasting sounds like continuing in sacrificial ordinances to me. Hebrews backs that thought up, but some want to include the law of instructions given in Exodus chapters 20 thru 23 that have nothing to do with the priesthood or the temple/tabernacle. The other thing is to recognize is the phrase of "commandments and doctrines of men." There's doctrines of men that permeate every church today. We are not to touch or taste what isn't confirmed in scripture. That includes mans inventions that distorts the true law.