Jesus said WHAT?

[Grace777x70]

I do have one question to the OP. Am I allowed to post what I really believe and have said if I see someone make a statement that is a lie and that what I said is being deceitfully mis-represented?

If not - that's ok. The Lord has my back as well as all of us. We can trust Him in all things. Thanks!

 

[sevenseas]

He was fulfilling the Old Covenant. The covenant of Abraham. Look at the word beryith and you will see it. Hope I spelled it right.

Also, if we don't forgive...there's a message that Jesus said about tormentors. Right now I can't find it but it seems to me that He is saying that unforgiveness leaves us wide open to mental torment. Not that we aren't saved if one should die, but unprotected.

Wish I knew where exactly that is.

As far as the Lords prayer...never heard that taught it wasn't in effect. I hear about bringing kingdom to earth, which is by our life and how we live it.

we're talking again? well good

I have heard or I guess read 2 things now that I never came across before

1. the Lord's prayer should not be prayed

2. the words of Jesus are old covenant and therefore we do not need to forgive to be forgiven

seems we agree

if you read my other post before I deleted it, sorry. I was getting a little hot under the collar due to the lies in this thread

 

[sevenseas]

I do have one question to the OP. Am I allowed to post what I really believe and have said if I see someone make a statement that is a lie and that what I said is being deceitfully mis-represented?

If not - that's ok. The Lord has my back as well as all of us. We can trust Him in all things. Thanks!

I'm not your mother so stop being cute

I would really prefer you start your own thread and you can even link to it from here

how's that

 

[sevenseas]

taking a breather. hope we can proceed without further links, videos, songs and misrepresentation of the actual op

 

[stonesoffire]

we're talking again? well good

I have heard or I guess read 2 things now that I never came across before

1. the Lord's prayer should not be prayed

2. the words of Jesus are old covenant and therefore we do not need to forgive to be forgiven

seems we agree

if you read my other post before I deleted it, sorry. I was getting a little hot under the collar due to the lies in this thread

No, I didn't. Am glad I didn't it because I'm not yet perfected. I forgive.

 

[Grace777x70]

I'm not your mother so stop being cute

I would really prefer you start your own thread and you can even link to it from here

how's that

So in other words you want to censor me out and not say what I really am saying if people deceitfully mis-represent what I have really said in the past.

No problem....I fully understand. Bless you and have a great rest of the day!

I shall delete my subscription to this thread list then. All is well.....

 

[followjesus]

Of course the covenant of the Law was in effect until Christ's crucifixion.

That's the whole reason he had to die. To fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law.

I'm a little surprised people would argue this point.

the goal is to erase the things Jesus said is the issue, yeah it was still in effect. this is How a covenant is put into effect first all of it is spoken, and THEN the blood is shed

Hebrews 9: 15-20 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you

yah it was in effect because Moses first spoke the law in its entirety to the people and then He shed the Blood that made it of effect, when Jesus spoke the Gospel ( the new testament) He then shed His blood to put all of His words in place of the Law of moses.


we are not left without a covenant and the Cross does not change what Jesus said. the new covenant is the Gospel of Jesus Christ BECAUSE He spoke all of it and then shed His Own Blood. true the law had authority while Jesus lived, because His testament was of no effect until He died to remove the first. we Have a Law it is the ministry of Jesus, sealed and made eternally valid because He shed His blood to redeem us from the first testament ( the mosaic Law)

 

[sevenseas]

So in other words you want to censor me out and not say what I really am saying if people deceitfully mis-represent what I have really said in the past.

No problem....I fully understand. Bless you and have a great rest of the day!

I shall delete my subscription to this thread list then. All is well.....

no G7 you clever manipulator

that is not what I said

I asked you to please not derail the thread and I said please start your own thread and you can even link to it from here

however, you choose to put YOUR words in the place of mine

really childish

 

[sevenseas]

No, I didn't. Am glad I didn't it because I'm not yet perfected. I forgive.

thanks

apparently neither am I

 

[followjesus]

well, if anyone is paying attention, there is a false gospel being preached in some of the forums in the BDF and it concerns the words of Jesus.

apparently, they are all a part of the old covenant and if we follow them, we are putting ourselves back under the law

now I know some of you are going 'Whaaaaaaaa???' and no doubt some will defend this 'new' teaching

however, if Jesus words are all a part of the law, then why does Peter (Acts 4) say that JESUS is the CHIEF cornerstone?

Peter does not seem to think anything less than Jesus is the BOSS and the ONE Who is holding it all together (you will better understand that if you know what a cornerstone is)

I'll post that later cause it ties in so beautifully with what Peter is saying. in fact, it's perfect

I have honestly never before heard anyone, anywhere, say the words of Jesus are part of the old covenant. So here's the thread in which to discuss it

its based on false teachers who teach things that arent in the Bible things Like this based entirely on the false teachers interpretation

[FONT=&quot]"Any time you read a conditional statement from Jesus, you should interpret it as law. “Do not judge and you will not be judged” (Lk 6:37). That’s good advice but it’s also law. To avoid something (judgment) you have to do something (don’t judge). It’s a blessing you have to pay for. And anytime Jesus makes a threat, you should interpret that as law as well. “Anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment” (Mt 5:22). That’s bad news for anyone with a brother!"


there is not 1 scripture in the Bible that says Jesus taught the Mosaic Law. rather its clear that Moses gave the Law and Jesus spoke the Gospel Moses mediated the first testament, Jesus the eternal and new testament. if anyone can find support for this false teachuing One scripture in the nt that suggests Jesus words arent for Christians, or 1 sctiputre that says Jesus was re hashing the Law of moses, well nevermind ......there isnt one any doctrine that for whatever eplaination teaches a Christian not to accept the Words of Jesus Christ in the gospel, is deception and will destroy souls.
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[sevenseas]

Paul Ellis is a self-proclaimed hypergrace preacher.

I refuse to believe anything a known heretic says.

here is a refutation of Paul Ellis' improper teaching on the 10 commandments

I don't wanna discuss it in this thread. see the target folks? the target is the truth

however, if someone wants to learn more about Mr Ellis' methodology of systematically attempting to destroy the word through a misunderstanding of what it says (only God knows his heart. I just judge what he is teaching and find it error), then check out the link.

 

[sevenseas]

I never heard this until I came here either. Shocking! It's probably time to do a thread on what the Gospel of the Kingdom is.


And right you are, the church is built upon the apostles and prophets and Jesus is the chief cornerstone. Jesus brought us out from under the condemnation of the law so that by grace we will walk in the truths of the law, the righteous requirements of the law.


Jesus taught us to love God and love one another ....... what does that mean. God left us His precious word so that we can know what it means to love God and love one another. That's how we're taught ....... through His word.


The 10 commandments are all about loving God and one another and they are repeated in the New Testament. Jesus condensed the 10 commandments into 2. But even in condensing anything the whole is still there. And we go to the whole to see what the 2 mean. All of the apostle's teaching explain what love is and what it looks like.


If we were to go through the commands of the New Covenant, I'm sure we'll find more than 613. The apostles were giving us commands all throughout their teachings.

Wake up brothers and sisters. Don't be deceived by the enemy who prowls around looking to those he can devour. Let's not be one who will be chewed up and spit out by the enemy of our souls. Wherever we go we'll find satan's demons that appear as angels of light. They're in our midst here on CC as well.


Please guys, let's read the words for ourself. Let's not be spoon fed and eat something because it tastes good. Let's get into God's word and study it rightly dividing the truths found in scripture. 2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.


I guess Paul must have been a blasphemer to those who claim this.
A law written for all to see and for children to obey this law within the New Covenant.
Ephesians 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth.

thank you for making some valid and timely points. I underscored them above...at least what grabbed me

the whole post is helpful!

 

[followjesus]

no G7 you clever manipulator

that is not what I said

I asked you to please not derail the thread and I said please start your own thread and you can even link to it from here

however, you choose to put YOUR words in the place of mine

really childish

this is what bruce does on a regular basis, when the gog crowd gives Him likes hes all happy and will explain how those "wprkers for salvation just dont Get it" but when Hes confronted with the truth then you have " manipulated and been deceitful" oh and another word he repeats each time is your bieng " malicious towards Him" it boils down to the gog has no real root its all based on the last 50 or 60 years began with the " revolution" of Gods Word removing truth and claiming its really not for you.

btw the excperpt from that article i only ever saw because bruce has pushed it many times on myself and others explaining How anything Jesus says that you are to do, any condition the Lord makes, thats the Mosaic Law, and anything unconditional, thats the real gospel......

 

[sevenseas]

this is what bruce does on a regular basis, when the gog crowd gives Him likes hes all happy and will explain how those "wprkers for salvation just dont Get it" but when Hes confronted with the truth then you have " manipulated and been deceitful" oh and another word he repeats each time is your bieng " malicious towards Him" it boils down to the gog has no real root its all based on the last 50 or 60 years began with the " revolution" of Gods Word removing truth and claiming its really not for you.

btw the excperpt from that article i only ever saw because bruce has pushed it many times on myself and others explaining How anything Jesus says that you are to do, any condition the Lord makes, thats the Mosaic Law, and anything unconditional, thats the real gospel......

sadly I have found that out

I really prefer we don't continue to point that out though

I understand why you wrote it though

thanks

ps...IMO, if the statement is made that we sift through the gospel to find the real gospel, we need to go back to Sunday School grade 1

 

[Stephen63]

no G7 you clever manipulator

that is not what I said

I asked you to please not derail the thread and I said please start your own thread and you can even link to it from here

however, you choose to put YOUR words in the place of mine

really childish

Manipulation is part of their plan.

"The end justifies the means". Isn't that one of the mottoes of Satanism & the Jesuits?

The first false doctrine is "you shall not surely die"

The hypergrace/easy believeism crowd says once you receive Christ, you're forever saved.

Kinda sounds like they're still saying "you shall not surely die" doesn't it?

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh?

 

[stonesoffire]

Eph 4:30　 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit, by whom you were marked with a seal for the day of redemption.　
Eph 4:31　 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, quarreling, and slander be put away from you, along with all hatred.　
Eph 4:32　 And be kind to one another, compassionate, forgiving one another just as God has forgiven you in the Messiah.　

 

[sevenseas]

Eph 4:30　 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit, by whom you were marked with a seal for the day of redemption.　
Eph 4:31　 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, quarreling, and slander be put away from you, along with all hatred.　
Eph 4:32　 And be kind to one another, compassionate, forgiving one another just as God has forgiven you in the Messiah.　

I agree

however, this does not preclude pointing out error ESPECIALLY when we are being told the words of Jesus regarding forgiveness are antiquated

then when we disagree with that, we are told that we are being slanderous and full of malice

truly, let's stop the lies here and be honest

I appreciate you stones

 

[sevenseas]

scripture written after the 4 gospels never denies the words of Jesus or what He taught. Never did Jesus say we must work for our salvation or work to keep it so I dunno what the fuss is all about

19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.

22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit. Ephesians 2

hopefully, people know and understand that Bible is built precept upon precept; the crescendo being the life, death and resurrection of Jesus

from there, we come to understand the fulfillment of prophecy concerning the Messiah but He does not belong relegated to the pages of the old testament

the underscored above (bolded whatever) indicates that EVERYTHING hinges on Him

which is exactly what a cornerstone is for in architecture (which I did have 2 full semesters in college included with my fine arts courses so I'm not a stranger to the term and really appreciate the use of the metaphor)

Cornerstone[N]Architectural term used twice in the New Testament ( Eph 2:20 ; 1 Peter 2:6 ) to speak of the exalted Jesus as the chief foundation stone of the church, the cornerstone on which all the building depends. The New Testament draws on two Old Testament passages about the coming Messiah ( Isa 28:16 ; Zech 10:4 ). In Isaiah 28:16 the prophet speaks God's words directly to the rulers in Jerusalem who boasted that they were immune to the scourges of life because they were secure in themselves. God said their security was false because he would lay a stone in Zion, a precious cornerstone, which really was secureand it was not those present rulers. Zechariah expands this promise by saying that the cornerstone will come from the tribe of Judah (10:4). Paul builds on this concept in Ephesians 2:20 by saying that Jesus Christ is the chief cornerstone, the apostles and prophets are foundation stones, and the whole building (the church) is a holy temple in the Lord. Peter's use of the idea is more complex, stringing three prophetic verses together ( Psalm 118:22 ; Isa 8:4 ; 28:16 ).

The stone laid in Zion ( Isa 28:16 ) is precious to the believer, but as the stone placed at the "head of the corner" (eis kephalen gonias), that is, exalted ( Psalm 118:22 ), he is a stone of offense and stumbling ( Isa 8:4 ) to those who refuse to believe. The metaphor seems obvious: the cornerstone is either a source of blessing or judgment, depending on a person's attitude toward it. Some modern interpreters, beginning with J. Jeremias in 1925, take a different tack, separating the two stones and making the cornerstone one thing and the stone at the "head of the corner" another, that is, a capstone or keystone.

It is hard to visualize one stumbling over a capstone, but metaphors can be stretched. In any case, the point is that the very foundation of the church is Jesus Christ. This was prophesied by the prophets of old and fulfilled through the incarnation. Those who believe are blessed and those who stumble over that rock chosen by God are condemned.

source

and if someone wants a longer and more detailed article, here's one

stating the words of Jesus no longer have the same relevance as when He spoke them, reveals a dirth of actual understanding of what the text says as even the source AFTER the 4 gospels agrees with, underscores this and defines further the eternal value in the words of Christ

 

[Rosemaryx]

Hi everyone...I am not to sure if my post belongs in here so please forgive me if it`s not...I do not know where i belong with this but when i sin, i can not help but repent and ask God to forgive me through the blood of His Son my Lord Jesus Christ my Savior, i can not go forward untill i have excepted the forgiveness of my sin and then when i feel the peace of Christ restored in me i move on and feel comfortable...When i sin, i can`t imagine saying to myself, "Well Jesus has died on the cross for me so cool i don`t have to ask for forgiveness", it just would not feel right, and when i do come to Jesus with my sin, especially one that He is working on in my life, i feel Him washing me from His living water, the sin i used to repeat often is getting longer and longer in gaps, i believe we should come to the Lord and confess, even though He died for all our sins, we must still acknowledge Him, am i wrong in thinking like this, Praise the Lord our God \0/...xox...

 

[sevenseas]

and if someone wants a longer and more detailed article, here's one

sorry. link was ok, but black ink didn't make that clear so have redone it in case someone wants more material on the subject