Jesus said WHAT?

[sevenseas]

Hi everyone...I am not to sure if my post belongs in here so please forgive me if it`s not...I do not know where i belong with this but when i sin, i can not help but repent and ask God to forgive me through the blood of His Son my Lord Jesus Christ my Savior, i can not go forward untill i have excepted the forgiveness of my sin and then when i feel the peace of Christ restored in me i move on and feel comfortable...When i sin, i can`t imagine saying to myself, "Well Jesus has died on the cross for me so cool i don`t have to ask for forgiveness", it just would not feel right, and when i do come to Jesus with my sin, especially one that He is working on in my life, i feel Him washing me from His living water, the sin i used to repeat often is getting longer and longer in gaps, i believe we should come to the Lord and confess, even though He died for all our sins, we must still acknowledge Him, am i wrong in thinking like this, Praise the Lord our God \0/...xox...

I agree we should still acknowledge what the Holy Spirit works in us to bring to the surface

while we have forgiveness of sins, and salvation is not a revolving door, it is good to realize that sin has consequences even in the lives of believers

Jesus did die for all sins, for all time, but accepting and believing this does not automatically correct sinful behavior we have in our lives prior to conversion or even something we started doing after

I think we need to do whatever we need to in order to come to the realization that salvation is the work of God and forgiveness is given but we do not ever make light of it or think we need to carry the burden, because that has been settled

asking forgiveness does not mean you believe you lost salvation either. for example, if someone has a fight or disagreement with their husband/wife, that does not mean they are no longer married. taking responsibility for our actions goes a long way to both preventing wrong actions and stopping what is sin in our lives

salvation is actually true in more than one tense. like this:

we are saved
we are being saved
and we will be saved

 

[Snoozy]

Some of Jesus' words are definitely part of the Old Covenant.

Do we go and present ourselves to the priest like Jesus said to one guy to do - because it was the Law.

Jesus also told a guy who asked Him "What must "I do" to inherit eternal life".

Jesus gave him the law to reveal that he didn't keep the commandments after all. The man had money as his "god" and broke the first commandment.

Do we tell people now in the New Covenant that to be saved they need to keep the 10 commandments? of course not - (well maybe some might.)

So, what do we do in the New Covenant?

Paul shows us exactly.

Acts 16:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

[SUP]31 [/SUP] They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

So, the words of Jesus and scripture in general all need to be filtered through the finished work of Christ.

I have never heard anyone say that "All of Jesus's words are Old Covenant". I have heard people deceitfully accuse others of saying that and completely mis-represent what is really being said.

does believe in Jesus mean believe He exists and is the son of God? or does it also mean believe what He says and do what He tells you to?

 

[sevenseas]

does believe in Jesus mean believe He exists and is the son of God? or does it also mean believe what He says and do what He tells you to?

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I believe the words of Jesus are still valid and do not indicate we are partakers of the old covenant

I find grave error and misunderstanding when someone says the opposite

did you see my post on Jesus the cornerstone?

 

[followjesus]

very thourough stuff. I would also add that the first coveanant is written for our example paul was never teaching that the new covenant is unconditional at all many times over He warns and warns, in His words Here a good example of what im saying context is all Here.

1 corinthians 10: Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; ( spirit and water) And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.


Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

I always Hear christians say " God wont Give you more than you can handle" yet whats really being said deals with He will always Give us a way out of temptation, so we do not sin. this is whats Being said apaul very clearly is saying look at What happened to Israel when they disobeyed Gods word, then He gives all these examples about the desert and them being destroyed and says " these things are written for Our admonition, they are our example to look to, they also Had the same spiritual provisions with them and God did not simply say " dont worry about all these things im telling you. that seems to be the idea of many as if what Jesus said, only the unconditional things apply. thats exactly what paul is warning against here.

there is not a single scripture in the Bible to say we are to pick and choose. that would be Like in the first covenant if the people were saying, " God said if we sacrifice our spotless animal were forgiven, dont think you need to heed Gods Words though only what seems unconditional." its exactly what lead the Israelites to be destroyed.

Paul is making very clear Here that is not the case as He does so often in His letters. this bizarre idea that Jesus words do not apply or arent the new covenant would be the same as people saying " what moses told us doesnt belong in the Law only the sacrificial laws apply forget the commandments.......all thats written about israel is for our example that God does not change.

 

[loveme1]

If you read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation you see how everything came to pass.

i consider that some folks do not realise that The Old Testament was to bring the Messiah in to the world for our Salvation.

Like we have to accept that we all put the Messiah on the cross to pay for our sin... it all came to pass so that we can be reconciled with our Creator.

Many do not see how the serpent is still beguiling...

We learn that GOD knows best and if he gives us a command we obey.

An example of beguiling occurring: you don't need to ask for forgiveness because your sin was paid for.. you will not die because GOD will give more Grace.. you good to sit back relax and enjoy your gift.. nothing you can do will cause your name to be blotted out because GOD does not fail... Did the Messiah teach you to pray? You don't have to because that was not for you..and so on..


Why are you placing your trust in words of men? A verse here and there to support their personal message is not the Words of eternal life.

 

[followjesus]

I never heard this until I came here either. Shocking! It's probably time to do a thread on what the Gospel of the Kingdom is.


And right you are, the church is built upon the apostles and prophets and Jesus is the chief cornerstone. Jesus brought us out from under the condemnation of the law so that by grace we will walk in the truths of the law, the righteous requirements of the law.


Jesus taught us to love God and love one another ....... what does that mean. God left us His precious word so that we can know what it means to love God and love one another. That's how we're taught ....... through His word.


The 10 commandments are all about loving God and one another and they are repeated in the New Testament. Jesus condensed the 10 commandments into 2. But even in condensing anything the whole is still there. And we go to the whole to see what the 2 mean. All of the apostle's teaching explain what love is and what it looks like.


If we were to go through the commands of the New Covenant, I'm sure we'll find more than 613. The apostles were giving us commands all throughout their teachings.


Wake up brothers and sisters. Don't be deceived by the enemy who prowls around looking to those he can devour. Let's not be one who will be chewed up and spit out by the enemy of our souls. Wherever we go we'll find satan's demons that appear as angels of light. They're in our midst here on CC as well.


Please guys, let's read the words for ourself. Let's not be spoon fed and eat something because it tastes good. Let's get into God's word and study it rightly dividing the truths found in scripture. 2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.


I guess Paul must have been a blasphemer to those who claim this.
A law written for all to see and for children to obey this law within the New Covenant.
Ephesians 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth.

tried that more than once and it gets labeled the law of moses by the gog. the purpose is to then say look we died to the law of moses. this right here is what you are dealing with

that because paul said the phrase the "gospel of the Grace of God" the gospel of the Kingdom isnt really the gospel, its the lAW of moses. even though you do not find those things in the law of Moses read the above article he shares it all the time. notice the intention summed up here

Any time you read a conditional statement from Jesus, you should interpret it as law. “Do not judge and you will not be judged” (Lk 6:37). That’s good advice but it’s also law. To avoid something (judgment) you have to do something (don’t judge). <<<< do you see whats being said Here? anything Jesus actually teaches, thats Law.

It’s a blessing you have to pay for. And anytime Jesus makes a threat, you should interpret that as law as well. “Anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment” (Mt 5:22). That’s bad news for anyone with a brother!


the entire gog is based on excluding anything Jesus said as far as things He taught, labeling them " threats" anyy condition even though Jesus Christ is saying it, thats the mosaic Law the whole reason to get someone to believe this lie is so then they can say this

romans 7:4 "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

and things like this

romans 6:4 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


See whats being done first i convince you that Jesus teachings are Law, everytime He says things Like Obey my commands " thats the Mosaic Law, if He says just believe in the One God sent" thats Grace. thats for you, but if He says Judge not lest ye be Judged" then thats the mosaic Law" it is designed exclusiveley to remove the truth from the Gospel. to remove the Lords Word that is Life. and its crafty. if a person accepts that anything Jesus says that is meant for you to do its law, if Jesus gives a clear warning" its a" threat" that you need to interpret as Law. so they can then show you paul saying " you are dead to the Law" its a terrible thing i wish the administrators would look into some of this stuff because younger christians will fall for its deception

 

[PennEd]

uh huh

specifically concerning the words of Jesus in this thread and not talking covenants

are the words of Christ binding or not?

for example, on forgiveness. should we forgive if we want to be forgiven?

note: understanding that when we come to Christ, we are forgiven of ALL sins. how do we proceed. quite honestly, why do we even think we need to ask forgiveness ANYWHERE TO ANYONE if we think we do not need to forgive those who sin against us?

this ties in with the teaching that what is commonly referred to as 'the Lord's prayer' is no longer valid

let's keep in mind that Jesus responded to His disciples and that prayer is intended as a model, not some rote bunch of words with Jesus stamp of OK. we are taught throughout the Bible how to pray and have many models for the encouragement in both testaments

so WHY are some teaching that Jesus words are all a part of the old covenant

I'm still confused sister.

Does your question mean that our Salvation is dependent on us forgiving?
I mean, I keep coming back to THE point. ARE we born again, or aren't we.

That's the WHOLE ball game! If we are, then the Holy Spirit will mold, direct, shape, and transform us to be more and more Christlike.

For instance, I have had issues in the past AFTER conversion, with forgiving certain people of certain things. That is an area in my walk that I don't struggle with that much any longer. Now I can tell you that it was the Holy Spirit that worked in me, to not STRIVE to forgive, but truly forgive, in my heart.

We fulfill all of Jesus' Words by loving Him and each other. And that is what will do if we are His Children.

 

[Rosemaryx]

and if someone wants a longer and more detailed article, here's one

sorry. link was ok, but black ink didn't make that clear so have redone it in case someone wants more material on the subject

Really enjoyed that read...xox...

 

[followjesus]

well, if anyone is paying attention, there is a false gospel being preached in some of the forums in the BDF and it concerns the words of Jesus.

apparently, they are all a part of the old covenant and if we follow them, we are putting ourselves back under the law

now I know some of you are going 'Whaaaaaaaa???' and no doubt some will defend this 'new' teaching

however, if Jesus words are all a part of the law, then why does Peter (Acts 4) say that JESUS is the CHIEF cornerstone?

Peter does not seem to think anything less than Jesus is the BOSS and the ONE Who is holding it all together (you will better understand that if you know what a cornerstone is)

I'll post that later cause it ties in so beautifully with what Peter is saying. in fact, it's perfect

I have honestly never before heard anyone, anywhere, say the words of Jesus are part of the old covenant. So here's the thread in which to discuss it

regarding the actual topic ( sorry for getting of track i just despise the gog distortion 100 percent)

concerning the Cornerstone. i have noticed that if you backtrack the rock that moses struck and God gave the people water in the dry desert. you can follow that ahead through the prophets and it becomes more revealed, and more revealed until you start seeing the " Rock of my salvation" and eventually they start talking about How God would provide springs of living water by splitting the rock and the water is related to the spirit that would be given through Jesus.

isaiah 44:3-6 "For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:4And they shall spring up as among the grass, as willows by the water courses.5One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.
6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

paul says this

1 corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.which is a reference waaay back to this

Numbers 20:And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.
And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him. And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice ( this is why moses wasnt allowed into the promised land ): and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also."

you then see the Living water Jesus promised to well up in thos who believed in Him those who do not stumble at His word. as peter says .

when Jesus is saying that hes making a reference to things like psalm 44 up there, and other things like

zechariah 14:8 "And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be."

i guess what im saying and there is much more to this in scripture the corner stone begins way back in the law with moses, and the understanding builds and builds until Jesus comes offering the living water ( Holy spirit) and then after Jesus the apostles are saying things Like what paul said up there in corinthians 10 ( read whole chapter) and then peter also makes things like this make sense




1 peter 2:4-8 "To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed."


Gods Word has a perfect design, it rewuires us to Go to Jesus for the understanding of both old and new testaments and How they relate, what the prophets were talking about with those phrases that seem hard to understand ect..... scripture truly reveals scripture Our foundation has to be Jesus mind that is revealed in the 4 gospels in His words ( which is why I hate so verily, the gog because its designed to take the Light of understanding out of Gods Word)

 

[followjesus]

If you read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation you see how everything came to pass.

i consider that some folks do not realise that The Old Testament was to bring the Messiah in to the world for our Salvation.

Like we have to accept that we all put the Messiah on the cross to pay for our sin... it all came to pass so that we can be reconciled with our Creator.

Many do not see how the serpent is still beguiling...

We learn that GOD knows best and if he gives us a command we obey.

An example of beguiling occurring: you don't need to ask for forgiveness because your sin was paid for.. you will not die because GOD will give more Grace.. you good to sit back relax and enjoy your gift.. nothing you can do will cause your name to be blotted out because GOD does not fail... Did the Messiah teach you to pray? You don't have to because that was not for you..and so on..


Why are you placing your trust in words of men? A verse here and there to support their personal message is not the Words of eternal life.

thats sooo true stuff thanks for sharing those great words

 

[sevenseas]

I'm still confused sister.

Does your question mean that our Salvation is dependent on us forgiving?
I mean, I keep coming back to THE point. ARE we born again, or aren't we.

That's the WHOLE ball game! If we are, then the Holy Spirit will mold, direct, shape, and transform us to be more and more Christlike.

For instance, I have had issues in the past AFTER conversion, with forgiving certain people of certain things. That is an area in my walk that I don't struggle with that much any longer. Now I can tell you that it was the Holy Spirit that worked in me, to not STRIVE to forgive, but truly forgive, in my heart.

We fulfill all of Jesus' Words by loving Him and each other. And that is what will do if we are His Children.

not at all PennEd

Jesus covered that one when He gave the parable of the servant whose great debt was forgiven but then that same servant demanded an unpaid debt that was miniscule in comparison to what he was forgiven

forgiveness is instant, yes? but the issues are more often then not, needing to be worked through

we aren't robots. when we say we forgive, we are acknowledging the great debt we owe and we extend that same forgiveness to those we forgive. as someone once put it, we let them off our 'hook'

to forgive FROM THE HEART is often overlooked. it's not just to forgive, but from the heart. that takes work before God as our hearts are changed in His presence

I actually do not think we can forgive as we are both required and asked to, UNLESS our aim is to become more Christlike

it is awful to hold on to things. sometimes the person who hurt us or sinned against us is fine and we are badly wounded. it is as much for ourself as it is for the other person. we cannot work in their hearts, but Jesus, by His Spirit can

I could discuss this for a long time, but does this qualify my op a little better?

in short, I believe scripture indicates we need to take heed of Jesus words regarding forgiveness and I also think the warning is real. I also do not think we need to worry if our hearts are honest because He will absolutely bring it to mind and the Holy Spirit will do His work in us changing us to be more like Christ as we submit and humble ourselves before God

 

[sevenseas]

I believe salvation is the free gift of God...free in the sense we do not earn it, cannot do anything to deserve it and when we accept it, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of God

however, I do believe we will start to exhibit some Christlike character...not just 'behavior'...if we do more than repeat words

 

[followjesus]

scripture written after the 4 gospels never denies the words of Jesus or what He taught. Never did Jesus say we must work for our salvation or work to keep it so I dunno what the fuss is all about

19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.

22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit. Ephesians 2

hopefully, people know and understand that Bible is built precept upon precept; the crescendo being the life, death and resurrection of Jesus

from there, we come to understand the fulfillment of prophecy concerning the Messiah but He does not belong relegated to the pages of the old testament

the underscored above (bolded whatever) indicates that EVERYTHING hinges on Him

which is exactly what a cornerstone is for in architecture (which I did have 2 full semesters in college included with my fine arts courses so I'm not a stranger to the term and really appreciate the use of the metaphor)

Cornerstone[N]Architectural term used twice in the New Testament ( Eph 2:20 ; 1 Peter 2:6 ) to speak of the exalted Jesus as the chief foundation stone of the church, the cornerstone on which all the building depends. The New Testament draws on two Old Testament passages about the coming Messiah ( Isa 28:16 ; Zech 10:4 ). In Isaiah 28:16 the prophet speaks God's words directly to the rulers in Jerusalem who boasted that they were immune to the scourges of life because they were secure in themselves. God said their security was false because he would lay a stone in Zion, a precious cornerstone, which really was secureand it was not those present rulers. Zechariah expands this promise by saying that the cornerstone will come from the tribe of Judah (10:4). Paul builds on this concept in Ephesians 2:20 by saying that Jesus Christ is the chief cornerstone, the apostles and prophets are foundation stones, and the whole building (the church) is a holy temple in the Lord. Peter's use of the idea is more complex, stringing three prophetic verses together ( Psalm 118:22 ; Isa 8:4 ; 28:16 ).

The stone laid in Zion ( Isa 28:16 ) is precious to the believer, but as the stone placed at the "head of the corner" (eis kephalen gonias), that is, exalted ( Psalm 118:22 ), he is a stone of offense and stumbling ( Isa 8:4 ) to those who refuse to believe. The metaphor seems obvious: the cornerstone is either a source of blessing or judgment, depending on a person's attitude toward it. Some modern interpreters, beginning with J. Jeremias in 1925, take a different tack, separating the two stones and making the cornerstone one thing and the stone at the "head of the corner" another, that is, a capstone or keystone.

It is hard to visualize one stumbling over a capstone, but metaphors can be stretched. In any case, the point is that the very foundation of the church is Jesus Christ. This was prophesied by the prophets of old and fulfilled through the incarnation. Those who believe are blessed and those who stumble over that rock chosen by God are condemned.

source

and if someone wants a longer and more detailed article, here's one

stating the words of Jesus no longer have the same relevance as when He spoke them, reveals a dirth of actual understanding of what the text says as even the source AFTER the 4 gospels agrees with, underscores this and defines further the eternal value in the words of Christ

amen amen to that. how is a born again child of God, equating obeying the Only Son of God somehow working to earn anything? on one hand "believe you are a new creation created to do the Good works prepared, on the other Hand if you make any effort to obey God which are the good works prepared, then all the sudden you just dont get it?

what you posted Here is very valuable, and i would also add that the prophets were already saying His words would be the words, His judgements were final and eternal, He would bring true righteousness into focus and all we had to do was Believe and trust in the Messiah. even the Ot speaks of Jesus and His words only they are prophetic foreshadows of Him who would come, the apostles after Like you are saying here also make very clear that to disagree or teach otherwise concerning Hos words is the perfect sign of apaostacy and a reprobate of truth.

if you then read the gospel of John Jesus says over and over and over my words, here me, keep them , follow me, obey my teachings, keep my commands and you will never go thirsty , deny my words and those words you deny will be your judgement the last day. but when you teach what is not found anywhere in scripture that Jesus words should be seen through any special " lens" or that we should sift through and deny those very teachings and words, then you have no truth toi follow nothing to shaope your mind, no doctrine to Know or follow.

Gods Foundation and the final stone is Jesus His life, ministry, death, resurrection and ascention where He then sent the Holy spirit as promised. His words are connected to it all.

 

[followjesus]

I believe salvation is the free gift of God...free in the sense we do not earn it, cannot do anything to deserve it and when we accept it, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of God

however, I do believe we will start to exhibit some Christlike character...not just 'behavior'...if we do more than repeat words

what happens if we refuse to do the works?

 

[sevenseas]

I want to delve into more of the posts but am taking a break for now

 

[sevenseas]

what happens if we refuse to do the works?

ok. will just reply to what you just posted

how can we refuse if we are one with Christ? what made Jesus the Son of God? OBEDIENCE

in my heart I want to do what Jesus asks of me. I mean personally here, not some kind of general everyone does it

the Bible is so interconnected that if you veer from it, try to leave some of it out, try to change the meaning, you will end up constantly questioning and trying to come to grips with your own understanding

this is being done while we are told to walk in the spirit. it's a different spirit

those words are serious but I believe true

this is a vast subject by itself and probably somewhat subjective in how we 'hear' but the written word is the same for everyone

 

[Rosemaryx]

I believe salvation is the free gift of God...free in the sense we do not earn it, cannot do anything to deserve it and when we accept it, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of God

however, I do believe we will start to exhibit some Christlike character...not just 'behavior'...if we do more than repeat words

Yes i agree, we must be doers of the Word and not just hearers...xox...James 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

 

[followjesus]

Hi everyone...I am not to sure if my post belongs in here so please forgive me if it`s not...I do not know where i belong with this but when i sin, i can not help but repent and ask God to forgive me through the blood of His Son my Lord Jesus Christ my Savior, i can not go forward untill i have excepted the forgiveness of my sin and then when i feel the peace of Christ restored in me i move on and feel comfortable...When i sin, i can`t imagine saying to myself, "Well Jesus has died on the cross for me so cool i don`t have to ask for forgiveness", it just would not feel right, and when i do come to Jesus with my sin, especially one that He is working on in my life, i feel Him washing me from His living water, the sin i used to repeat often is getting longer and longer in gaps, i believe we should come to the Lord and confess, even though He died for all our sins, we must still acknowledge Him, am i wrong in thinking like this, Praise the Lord our God \0/...xox...

thats How sanctification works. if we remove Jesus words from christian doctrine theres no help for the sin that used to rule us. we dont have to be perfect we Just have to continue our part even when we stumble we press forward, doing the things were told. im not sure really about others but I myself if i did not Have the Gospel would still be doing all i used to and most likely would have gotten far worse. He has completely changed My Heart and Life from a true Bad guy, to someone who will do anything i can to help someone, from someone who looked at women full of lust, an adulterer to someone who that never enters into my heart anymore look at women now as my true sister. from a violent person to a peacemaker ( other than when dealing with the gog)

and while i praise God and all glory belongs to Him, it has not been effortless magical thing it comes through persevering in the things Of Jesus Christ, through abiding dwelling and following what He says to do. One area Like Lust when we see what Jesus says of it, thats meant to place that into us that understanding that whatever i need to do, to get this lust out of me, its better to do that with all my strength than be cast into Hell"

again God Gets the glory because without His spirit i could never have done it. grace isnt a magic act it empowers us to truly live as Jesus lived, pleasing to God, a third time, all His doing in me, but now that He made me New its my part to walk in that and its not easy at times. my cross Has been a heavy one at times, he gives me strength to bear up thats How it has been for me, He strengthens i obey, i fall, he picks me up i carry my cross He strengthens me and less and less i feel wieght not because its less weight but because He strengthens me each step im stronger thank God for His provision. i fall im not thrown away, thats when grace comes, i repent shake off the dust pick up my cross and walk.


i think rather than saying Christ does all things in me" it should be

phillippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.


if my attitude is Jesus does all things through me, i have it backwards. we do all things through our faith in Him including reopent and obey which is where all the fruit comes from the more were walking in His ways the more Good works are accomplished and God Gets true Glory.

i think that if people really looked at the whole of pauls epistles they will find that He wasnt saying rest rest dont do anything but they would find this in many different letters

phillippiANS 3:7-14 "But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: ( HEBREWS 11:7)

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

paul just simply wasnt explaining theres no part for us, or that it was effortless, came with no cost to Him, He was always pressing toward the mark. Knowing at the same time Jesus gave Him strength because He received the Holy spirit. there is much more power than we realize in Gods Word. it sure has not been effortles in my life i have fought hard at times and He strengthens , corrects, disciplines, teaches, comforts, holds up.

like a child i began with Him holding up my trike, sooner or later though we gotts pick up our cross and its not light, its Just that He makes us strong to do what we need to do

 

[Rosemaryx]

thats How sanctification works. if we remove Jesus words from christian doctrine theres no help for the sin that used to rule us. we dont have to be perfect we Just have to continue our part even when we stumble we press forward, doing the things were told. im not sure really about others but I myself if i did not Have the Gospel would still be doing all i used to and most likely would have gotten far worse. He has completely changed My Heart and Life from a true Bad guy, to someone who will do anything i can to help someone, from someone who looked at women full of lust, an adulterer to someone who that never enters into my heart anymore look at women now as my true sister. from a violent person to a peacemaker ( other than when dealing with the gog)

and while i praise God and all glory belongs to Him, it has not been effortless magical thing it comes through persevering in the things Of Jesus Christ, through abiding dwelling and following what He says to do. One area Like Lust when we see what Jesus says of it, thats meant to place that into us that understanding that whatever i need to do, to get this lust out of me, its better to do that with all my strength than be cast into Hell"

again God Gets the glory because without His spirit i could never have done it. grace isnt a magic act it empowers us to truly live as Jesus lived, pleasing to God, a third time, all His doing in me, but now that He made me New its my part to walk in that and its not easy at times. my cross Has been a heavy one at times, he gives me strength to bear up thats How it has been for me, He strengthens i obey, i fall, he picks me up i carry my cross He strengthens me and less and less i feel wieght not because its less weight but because He strengthens me each step im stronger thank God for His provision. i fall im not thrown away, thats when grace comes, i repent shake off the dust pick up my cross and walk.


i think rather than saying Christ does all things in me" it should be

phillippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.


if my attitude is Jesus does all things through me, i have it backwards. we do all things through our faith in Him including reopent and obey which is where all the fruit comes from the more were walking in His ways the more Good works are accomplished and God Gets true Glory.

i think that if people really looked at the whole of pauls epistles they will find that He wasnt saying rest rest dont do anything but they would find this in many different letters

phillippiANS 3:7-14 "But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: ( HEBREWS 11:7)

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

paul just simply wasnt explaining theres no part for us, or that it was effortless, came with no cost to Him, He was always pressing toward the mark. Knowing at the same time Jesus gave Him strength because He received the Holy spirit. there is much more power than we realize in Gods Word. it sure has not been effortles in my life i have fought hard at times and He strengthens , corrects, disciplines, teaches, comforts, holds up.

like a child i began with Him holding up my trike, sooner or later though we gotts pick up our cross and its not light, its Just that He makes us strong to do what we need to do

Loved reading that , thank you for your honesty, its very true, we can only do thing`s through Christ who strengthens us...I must say followJesus, i find it hard to read your very small print due to my eye sight, thought you might like to know that in case others have a problem reading it to...xox...

 

[followjesus]

I agree

however, this does not preclude pointing out error ESPECIALLY when we are being told the words of Jesus regarding forgiveness are antiquated

then when we disagree with that, we are told that we are being slanderous and full of malice

truly, let's stop the lies here and be honest

I appreciate you stones

you are so gentle a very veeerrry good example for me, God is good to bring folks like you to remind me of important things. ive been having this debate for over a year dealing with the same fd. i need to move away from this whole gog treachery, its Just that its soooo abhorant to my soul. and dangerous for people who dont Know the serpent is still speaking the same crafty way.....

God bless you i just really saw something important in this comment sister, pardon me if ive offended you at all. gotta move on to things that are true and right rather than getting dragged in to this same circle.