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Willie-T

Willie-T

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p_rehbein said:
Originally Posted by Willie-T
I like your honesty. Me too. I know what Jesus taught, but I also know that few of us are going to ever come close to following Jesus as He says is THE WAY.

I once posted that "lead us not into temptation" in the Lord's prayer meant exactly this.... "Please don't force us to find out that we couldn't be as self-sacrificing as you if ever tested with the kind of temptation that we might kill another in order to save ourselves or our loved ones."


Utah said: Amen to this. I know I would but I prefer never having to be in that situation.



I'm a bit confused, and could be wrong, but as I understand it.......in the Commandments......."kill" is more properly interpreted as "murder."

Self defense/defense of the lives of ones family is not murder........
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You wouldn't say that Jesus could have easily claimed "self-defense", and called those 10,000 Angels? But, know what? He didn't.
 
p_rehbein

p_rehbein

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Willie-T said:
You wouldn't say that Jesus could have easily claimed "self-defense", and called those 10,000 Angels? But, know what? He didn't.
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Not really a good comparison.............ok? :)

Jesus took upon Himself the form of man, and came here for a specific PURPOSE.

Just not a good comparison. :)
 
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EdisonTrent

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disciples chosen wisely for none would interfere with the purpose.
 
wattie

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Some words of Jesus:

Mat_23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Mar_11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mat_12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Mat_21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.


Mat_16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.







I imagine someone would surely get in trouble saying these kind of things now.
 
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EdisonTrent

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wattie said:
Some words of Jesus:

Mat_23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Mar_11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mat_12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Mat_21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.


Mat_16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.







I imagine someone would surely get in trouble saying these kind of things now.
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You think,... Same old Same old
 
Utah

Utah

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p_rehbein said:
Originally Posted by Willie-T
I like your honesty. Me too. I know what Jesus taught, but I also know that few of us are going to ever come close to following Jesus as He says is THE WAY.

I once posted that "lead us not into temptation" in the Lord's prayer meant exactly this.... "Please don't force us to find out that we couldn't be as self-sacrificing as you if ever tested with the kind of temptation that we might kill another in order to save ourselves or our loved ones."


Utah said: Amen to this. I know I would but I prefer never having to be in that situation.



I'm a bit confused, and could be wrong, but as I understand it.......in the Commandments......."kill" is more properly interpreted as "murder."

Self defense/defense of the lives of ones family is not murder........
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Make no mistake, Brother, I would prefer never to have to take a life, even in self defense, yet be that as it may, I would kill to the nth degree without prejudice if that's what it took to save innocent lives. I'd prefer to win over would-be-murderers with the love of Christ, but when it comes to saving innocence, the ends justifies the means.

After 9/11, I thought long and hard about re-enlisting, but I knew the war would be faught in a politically correct manner and I was not going to subject my family or myself to such nonsense. And the beat goes on.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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wattie said:
Some words of Jesus:

Mat_23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Mar_11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mat_12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Mat_21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.


Mat_16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.







I imagine someone would surely get in trouble saying these kind of things now.
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No doubt for sure.....quote these verses in context and with a modern application and get accused of hate and a lack of love......
 
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