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Ha ha, wow, didn't know this would be responded to so quick! 
Upon further searching and looking into the Bible, I have come to the conclusion....that Jesus Christ is NOT not God! (gotcha for a sec, huh?)
Just look at Romans 9:5, in context if you would like also.
2 Peter 1:1 (and 2-4; key word here is knowledge)
Titus 2:13 (in verse 14 it says "himself," making God and Saviour only referrable to Christ Jesus.), and Titus 3:4 if you don't believe that (God the Father and Jesus are both called Saviour, also in verse 6)
There are more like this, but of course they're not always going to be this clear.
Like in Revelation 5, for example. Who does worship go to? God the Father and the Lamb. (Then look in Luke 4:8)
Philippians 2:5-11 is another one, and Hebrews 1:8-9, and verse 10 (where the Father is talking about the Son, remember that)
Yes, it helps when you get back into line with the truth of Jesus Christ, God and Saviour.
(Oh, and of course John 1:1-18)
Upon further searching and looking into the Bible, I have come to the conclusion....that Jesus Christ is NOT not God! (gotcha for a sec, huh?)
Just look at Romans 9:5, in context if you would like also.
2 Peter 1:1 (and 2-4; key word here is knowledge)
Titus 2:13 (in verse 14 it says "himself," making God and Saviour only referrable to Christ Jesus.), and Titus 3:4 if you don't believe that (God the Father and Jesus are both called Saviour, also in verse 6)
There are more like this, but of course they're not always going to be this clear.
Like in Revelation 5, for example. Who does worship go to? God the Father and the Lamb. (Then look in Luke 4:8)
Philippians 2:5-11 is another one, and Hebrews 1:8-9, and verse 10 (where the Father is talking about the Son, remember that)
Yes, it helps when you get back into line with the truth of Jesus Christ, God and Saviour.
(Oh, and of course John 1:1-18)
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my father, and no man knows who the Son is but the Father, and who the Father is but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
Good work. You have the foundation of Christ....you can only excel from here now.
Regards
Journey
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Christ said, "Unless you believe that I AM He, you shall die in your sins." That is a claim to Deity, not merely the Son of God, but God the Son. Anyway, the term Son of God means Deity. The Jews, the Pharisees among the Jews that is, sought to kill and to stone Him because He, Christ, claimed to be equal with God. That is clear. Christ did claim to be God Himself. So He was crucified by the Jews, because they consider Him to have committed blasphemy. He proved them all wrong, by rising from the dead. Only God's Divine Son cold rise from the dead. God the Father would not have saved Christ from death if Christ were only a man. And anyway, Christ was the only man to have prayed, and rose Lazarus from the grave. Christ resurrected different people in His ministry. Thus Christ has power of sin, death, hell, the grave, evil, and the devil and the demons. Christ therefore is God.
This is all man made theology. But people prefer to follow men/theologians/scholars than the plain words of the Bible
Jesus never commanded anyone to believe he was God Himself. But to you if a person does not accept Christ is God Himself they will die in their sins. That would mean the Apostle Paul could not go to Heaven either if you are right
When it says that everything hasd been put under him(Christ) it is clear that this does not include God Himself who put everything under Christ.
1 Cor 15:27
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According to 1 John, to deny that Christ is God manifest in the flesh is to be an antichrist. How can a person claim to be Christian, and not believe that Jesus Christ is LORD? This is the ancient "faith once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3), and not some man-made doctrine. To deny Christ's Divinity is to make Christ a liar and falsify the whole Bible of the OT and the NT. It is to deny Isaiah 9 for example. That chapter shows the messiah is God. It is unbelievable people write this site with no shame, and deny the divinity of our LORD GOD and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
I think it is unbelieveable that people do not believe the plain words of the bible.
Jesus said there was only one true God, the Father
Paul clearly said Christ was not God Himself, but man will not accept these plain statements. Instead they often call people heretics who believe them and tell them they will die in their sins.
And who is denying Christ's divinity? Do we have to believe Christ is God Himself to believe he is divine
Cou;ld you tell me. If the central plank of our Christian faith is that Christ is God Himself, why does the Bible not clearly state those words
Christ is God Himself.'
Because if that was the central plank on which Christianity stood it would have to. Instead I give you plain scripture that says that is not the case and you will not accept it
I will stand on the plain words of scripture, not man made theologies
Jesus said there was only one true God, the Father
Paul clearly said Christ was not God Himself, but man will not accept these plain statements. Instead they often call people heretics who believe them and tell them they will die in their sins.
And who is denying Christ's divinity? Do we have to believe Christ is God Himself to believe he is divine
Cou;ld you tell me. If the central plank of our Christian faith is that Christ is God Himself, why does the Bible not clearly state those words
Christ is God Himself.'
Because if that was the central plank on which Christianity stood it would have to. Instead I give you plain scripture that says that is not the case and you will not accept it
I will stand on the plain words of scripture, not man made theologies
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SAINT PAUL SAID, "JESUS CHRIST IS LORD". Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is LORD. You clearly have NOT READ THE WHOLE BIBLE. You only read the parts you like to read. You don't like to read the parts that say Christ is God manifest in the flesh. Get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance to the KJV King James Version Bible and read the words "God manifest in the flesh". That is Christ. Christ is a man. Christ is God. Christ is the God man. Matthew 28:19 proves the Holy Trinity. Amen.
For people who think oneness is not distinct enough,there is only one God the Holy Spirit,who is an omnipresent Spirit,and is the same throughout His omnipresent Spirit with no distinction of persons.
Whatever He calls Himself and whatever name He has,He is still one God with no distinction of persons.
You can't get any more distinct than that.
There is only one God who is the same throughout His omnipresent Spirit,with no distinction of persons.
God is a Holy Spirit,for that He is Holy and His substance is Spirit.All others are titles and names,but only one God with no distinction of persons.
Whatever He calls Himself and whatever name He has,He is still one God with no distinction of persons.
You can't get any more distinct than that.
There is only one God who is the same throughout His omnipresent Spirit,with no distinction of persons.
God is a Holy Spirit,for that He is Holy and His substance is Spirit.All others are titles and names,but only one God with no distinction of persons.
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I'm sorry, and I don't mean to be mean, but are you really serious? Are you really, truly serious?
Please quote Romans 9:5 for me. Thank you. and romans 8:9-11 and verse 1
Oh, and Philippians 2:5-11...and Titus 2:10-14 (especially verse 13.), and 1:1-4.
And then compare verse 10, 13, and Titus 3:4. The Father is distinguished from the Son (look at 3:6), and yet they're both titled Saviour.
(on a side note, we can see the Spirit as a person by looking at Acts 2:4, where He, the divine counsuler, gave the apostles utterance)
And not to overwhelm you, but also look at Acts 2:34-39. Who has been made Lord? Christ. Who is the Lord according to verse 39? God. Our God.
Paul said clearly that Christ is God.
Please quote Romans 9:5 for me. Thank you. and romans 8:9-11 and verse 1
Oh, and Philippians 2:5-11...and Titus 2:10-14 (especially verse 13.), and 1:1-4.
And then compare verse 10, 13, and Titus 3:4. The Father is distinguished from the Son (look at 3:6), and yet they're both titled Saviour.
(on a side note, we can see the Spirit as a person by looking at Acts 2:4, where He, the divine counsuler, gave the apostles utterance)
And not to overwhelm you, but also look at Acts 2:34-39. Who has been made Lord? Christ. Who is the Lord according to verse 39? God. Our God.
Paul said clearly that Christ is God.
Z
And I still can't understand how in the world people who profess to be Christians get the Trinity wrong.
It's not God divided into three.
I believe in ONE GOD, who is three persons, in one being, one being, in three persons.
God divded into three distinct beings would be tri-theism, a belief in three Gods.
It's not God divided into three.
I believe in ONE GOD, who is three persons, in one being, one being, in three persons.
God divded into three distinct beings would be tri-theism, a belief in three Gods.
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Dear mpaper345. There IS a DISTINCTION of Persons within God. The Father is the Father, but the Father is not the Son or the Spirit. The Son is the Son, but the Son is not the Father or the Spirit. The Spirit is the Spirit, but the Spirit is not the Father or the Son. To confuse the persons is to fall into polytheism or Sabellianism or tritheism. Or at least, it is confusing to confuse the persons, ISTM! We can not hope to understand or comprehend God the Trinity, only to faithfully believe in Him and worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Any false teaching in regard to the Trinity has consequences, as does the semi-Sabellianism that is the FILIOQUE HERESY. Take care.
Then the end will come when he(Jesus) hands over the kingdonm to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion authority and power.
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet, the last enemy to be destroyed is death
For he has put everything under his feet
Now when it says that everything has been put under him it is clear that this does not include God Himself who put everything under Christ
When he has done this, thyen the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him so that God may be all in all
1 Cor 15:24-28
Christ said there was only one true God, the Father, John said God has never been seen, and Paul wrote the above.
I defer to their knowledge which is and always will be far superior to mine
I agree. There is no distinction of persons within God. In this regard, Oneness is much closer to the truth.
The truth lies just beyond Trinity AND Oneness; but the war has been waged so long, everybody's locked in to 100% of one or the other. There's one thing missing from both that reconciles them. That same thing reconciles Unitarianism, Binitarianism, Arianism, and Tritheism. Not in the sense of Universal salvation, but to resolve an understanding of God's Divine constitution.
The truth lies just beyond Trinity AND Oneness; but the war has been waged so long, everybody's locked in to 100% of one or the other. There's one thing missing from both that reconciles them. That same thing reconciles Unitarianism, Binitarianism, Arianism, and Tritheism. Not in the sense of Universal salvation, but to resolve an understanding of God's Divine constitution.
Philippians 2 is the primary key to the Deity of Christ... form (morphe G3444).
Verse 13 is possibly the most hotly disputed translational grammatical construct in all the NT. I wouldn't use that as a proof-text. Anyway, all you need is morphe (G3444) from Philippians 2.
Inference. This in no way says the Spirit is a person just because the Spirit "gave them utterance".
Actually, Jesus hath been made both Lord and Christ (v36).
Not really, or it would be indisputable and there wouldn't be any Unitarians or Binitarians; and maybe no Arians.
Jesus IS Deity... but HOW? The truth is something many have considered in some small way, but haven't been able to get past their indoctrination to pursue.
Verse 13 is possibly the most hotly disputed translational grammatical construct in all the NT. I wouldn't use that as a proof-text. Anyway, all you need is morphe (G3444) from Philippians 2.
Inference. This in no way says the Spirit is a person just because the Spirit "gave them utterance".
Actually, Jesus hath been made both Lord and Christ (v36).
Not really, or it would be indisputable and there wouldn't be any Unitarians or Binitarians; and maybe no Arians.
Jesus IS Deity... but HOW? The truth is something many have considered in some small way, but haven't been able to get past their indoctrination to pursue.
Z
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Christ is, and always will be, functionally subordinate to God the Father, yet will always be God.
When He says "that God may be made all in all," He means that His eternal power and glory will never be "threatened" again, that Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire and there will be no more evil.
You understand that in the very same letter Jesus Christ is shown to be God, right?
Look at 1 Corinthians 15:10. Now, look at 16:23. The key word here is grace.
And Christ was right when He said there is only one true God. I agree with you there.
This is found in John 17:1-3, in his prayer, where He says:
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Glorify your Son, the only true God. This would work...but back to the matter at hand.
Yes, Jesus did say that the Father is the only God. ...so...I don't see how that keeps Jesus from being God as well. He is the only true God, as is Jesus Christ. They are one God, not two different ones.
Now, let's look further into the verses, from verses 4-12:
I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.
"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
"I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
"Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You;
for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.
"I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them.
"I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
Now, let's look at where he says this:
John 1:18
"No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known."
(Now, wait, hold on a second...who's the only one who's seen God? ...God! Who's at the Father's side? ...well, Jesus Christ!)
So, we can even put this in with John 17:3. Who's the only God? Is it the Father, or Jesus? Why, it's both!
(I want to point out a few things before I move on. First off, John 1:1 says the Word was God. The Word became flesh (verse 14), who is the only Son from the Father who is full of grace and truth (and IS the truth, John 14:6)
Let's look at the other verses that say no one has ever seen God:
John 6:46
...Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
Ah, so now it becomes clearer. No one has seen God the Father.
(So then that brings up the question of who the Lord was in Genesis 18...but that's a different topic)
No one has seen Him in a full and complete way (see John 14:6-7 as well), only partially (in the OT)
Paul also wrote that Jesus is God (Romans 9:5, Titus 2:13, look back in this forum for more listings)
In the end, saying that Jesus is not God is contradicting what every single writer of the NT had to say about God.
John affirmed it (1 john 5:20, John 1:1-18, 2 John 1:9, Revelation 5:13)
Peter affirmed it (2 Peter 1:1)
Mark affirmed it (Mark 2:5-7, 16 (look in Luke 7:16, where the people say "God has visited his people!", 2:28)
Luke affirmed it (Luke 5:20-21, 7:16 again)
Paul affirmed it (Romans 9:5, Titus 2:13, Philippians 2:5-11)
The writer of Hebrews affirmed it (Hebrews chapter 1)
Jude affirms it (verse 4, our only Master and Lord, verse 5 "Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt")
And there are many, many, many more words that affirm this, many more verses. These ones I just "hand-picked" through my own study.
God Bless you, and I hope you come to accept the Saving Power that is Jesus Christ, the Only God.
Christ is, and always will be, functionally subordinate to God the Father, yet will always be God.
When He says "that God may be made all in all," He means that His eternal power and glory will never be "threatened" again, that Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire and there will be no more evil.
You understand that in the very same letter Jesus Christ is shown to be God, right?
Look at 1 Corinthians 15:10. Now, look at 16:23. The key word here is grace.
And Christ was right when He said there is only one true God. I agree with you there.
This is found in John 17:1-3, in his prayer, where He says:
Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Glorify your Son, the only true God. This would work...but back to the matter at hand.
Yes, Jesus did say that the Father is the only God. ...so...I don't see how that keeps Jesus from being God as well. He is the only true God, as is Jesus Christ. They are one God, not two different ones.
Now, let's look further into the verses, from verses 4-12:
I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.
"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
"I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
"Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You;
for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.
"I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them.
"I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.
Now, let's look at where he says this:
John 1:18
"No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known."
(Now, wait, hold on a second...who's the only one who's seen God? ...God! Who's at the Father's side? ...well, Jesus Christ!)
So, we can even put this in with John 17:3. Who's the only God? Is it the Father, or Jesus? Why, it's both!
(I want to point out a few things before I move on. First off, John 1:1 says the Word was God. The Word became flesh (verse 14), who is the only Son from the Father who is full of grace and truth (and IS the truth, John 14:6)
Let's look at the other verses that say no one has ever seen God:
John 6:46
...Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.
Ah, so now it becomes clearer. No one has seen God the Father.
(So then that brings up the question of who the Lord was in Genesis 18...but that's a different topic)
No one has seen Him in a full and complete way (see John 14:6-7 as well), only partially (in the OT)
Paul also wrote that Jesus is God (Romans 9:5, Titus 2:13, look back in this forum for more listings)
In the end, saying that Jesus is not God is contradicting what every single writer of the NT had to say about God.
John affirmed it (1 john 5:20, John 1:1-18, 2 John 1:9, Revelation 5:13)
Peter affirmed it (2 Peter 1:1)
Mark affirmed it (Mark 2:5-7, 16 (look in Luke 7:16, where the people say "God has visited his people!", 2:28)
Luke affirmed it (Luke 5:20-21, 7:16 again)
Paul affirmed it (Romans 9:5, Titus 2:13, Philippians 2:5-11)
The writer of Hebrews affirmed it (Hebrews chapter 1)
Jude affirms it (verse 4, our only Master and Lord, verse 5 "Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt")
And there are many, many, many more words that affirm this, many more verses. These ones I just "hand-picked" through my own study.
God Bless you, and I hope you come to accept the Saving Power that is Jesus Christ, the Only God.