Jesus's mom

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Jesse Charles Wycoff. Just lettn you know 1st; because of Jim Staley's video "After he rested"; I've now wrote my 2nd detailed Sabbath/ Sunday essay. I emailed his church not too long ago; waiting their opinion, lettn them know I'm here. And now my Catholic question;
I have a Catholic friend at work; we manage a few minutes to talk. I asked a question, that I think is fair. Do I have accountability issues; if I don't recognise/ acknowledge/ accept, Mary as the mother of God? "Mother of God" isn't in the KJB; therefore I then have to conclude such a term, as an extreme Catholic opinion. I therefore have no choice but to conclude that I face no possible accountability issues; If I refuse to accept Mary as the "mother of God". She's the mother of Jesus; Yes! But not the "mother of God". Am I correct; Or?
 
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Jesse Charles Wycoff. Just lettn you know 1st; because of Jim Staley's video "After he rested"; I've now wrote my 2nd detailed Sabbath/ Sunday essay. I emailed his church not too long ago; waiting their opinion, lettn them know I'm here. And now my Catholic question;
I have a Catholic friend at work; we manage a few minutes to talk. I asked a question, that I think is fair. Do I have accountability issues; if I don't recognise/ acknowledge/ accept, Mary as the mother of God? "Mother of God" isn't in the KJB; therefore I then have to conclude such a term, as an extreme Catholic opinion. I therefore have no choice but to conclude that I face no possible accountability issues; If I refuse to accept Mary as the "mother of God". She's the mother of Jesus; Yes! But not the "mother of God". Am I correct; Or?
How about mother of God the Son, Jesus Christ (on earth)?
 

Dino246

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There is a semantic sense (only) in which Mary is the mother of God, given that Jesus is God, and Mary is the mother of Jesus, as you note. However, Christians (as distinguished from Catholics) don't normally acknowledge this, and rightly so, because it is too easily misunderstood or extrapolated to mean that God has a mother, which is not biblically sound.

I don't know how your Catholic friend interprets that phrase, but I suspect they take it and use it to elevate Mary to nonbiblical position and authority, consistent with Catholic doctrine. Feel free to disregard the Catholic position completely.

You have no accountability issues. You are accountable only to God, through Jesus. He is the only Mediator between God and humankind.

Don't be concerned about your relationship with Mary any more than about that with the apostle Philip. In other words, not at all. :)
 
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The mother of god concept appears to be gnostic in origin. The gnostics believed that GOD the mother (the holy spirit) inhabited Mary, who gave birth to GOD the son. Augustine, a converted gnostic, appears to have introduced Mary worship to the church. Notice in the following prayer how Mary takes on the role of the holy spirit.

Prayer of Saint Augustine to the Blessed Virgin

O blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay thee thy just dues of praise and thanksgiving, thou who by the wondrous assent of thy will didst rescue a fallen world? What songs of praise can our weak human nature recite in thy honor, since it is by thy intervention alone that it has found the way to restoration. Accept, then, such poor thanks as we have here to offer, though they be unequal to thy merits; and receiving our vows, obtain by thy prayers the remission of our offenses. Carry thou our prayers within the sanctuary of the heavenly audience, and bring forth from it the antidote of our reconciliation. May the sins we bring before Almighty God through thee, become pardonable through thee; may what we ask for with sure confidence, through thee be granted. Take our offering, grant us our requests, obtain pardon for what we fear, for thou art the sole hope of sinners. Through thee we hope for the remission of our sins, and in thee, O blessed Lady, is our hope of reward. Holy Mary, succour the miserable, help the fainthearted, comfort the sorrowful, pray for thy people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God; may all who keep thy holy commemoration feel now thy help and protection. Be thou ever ready to assist us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it thy continual care to pray for the people of God, thou who, blessed by God, didst merit to bear the Redeemer of the world, who liveth and reigneth, world without end. Amen.
 
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My thoughts on this are God used a human vessel to bring forth his Son, true God could have brought forth the Son like he did Adam but in that way the purpose of carry the worlds Sin on his shoulders wouldn't have truly been for filled. But yet Yes Mary was Jesus mother in a human concept of a mother giving birth to a human fleshly being and one who cares for,feeds,shelters,clothed etc.. and she loved him in every way a mother of today loves their child they gave birth too.
But as Jesus grew (aged) and became aware of his purpose he called Mary (Woman). But we are fleshly humans and I Think we should still respect the human concept of a mother no matter who's mother we are talking about.
 
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Jesse Charles Wycoff. Just lettn you know 1st; because of Jim Staley's video "After he rested"; I've now wrote my 2nd detailed Sabbath/ Sunday essay. I emailed his church not too long ago; waiting their opinion, lettn them know I'm here. And now my Catholic question;
I have a Catholic friend at work; we manage a few minutes to talk. I asked a question, that I think is fair. Do I have accountability issues; if I don't recognise/ acknowledge/ accept, Mary as the mother of God? "Mother of God" isn't in the KJB; therefore I then have to conclude such a term, as an extreme Catholic opinion. I therefore have no choice but to conclude that I face no possible accountability issues; If I refuse to accept Mary as the "mother of God". She's the mother of Jesus; Yes! But not the "mother of God". Am I correct; Or?
Please listen up.. Your answer is found in my post below and I highlighted it in bold:

Some Facts on Mary
Some Facts on Mary
(Remix 9-24-2009)
By Chuckt (C) 2009

Genesis 16:1 Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name [was] Hagar.

H8198 shiphchah maid, maid-servant, slavegirl

Luke 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

G1399 doulē a female slave, bondmaid, handmaid

It is interesting how a woman who calls herself a slave is supposedly going to get favors done or be a mediator when she is listed last in the book of Acts and then nothing else is said about her in the Bible to have the kind of role she has in Catholicism but that is not the Mary of the Bible.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, [thou that art] highly favoured, the Lord [is] with thee: blessed [art] thou among women.

It says "blessed art thou AMONG women" and not "ABOVE" women.

Mary was just one of many praying to God:

Acts1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
Acts1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Mary was in the upper room praying and they prayed to the Lord in verse 24. They were praying to the Lord. We don't pray to Mary.

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
If there were two mediators then it would say "two" but it says "one" so we only pray to God because Mary is not a mediator.

1 Corinthians 7:34 There is difference [also] between a wife (gune) and a virgin (parthenos) . The unmarried woman (agamos) careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married (gameo) careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband.

Mary had other children:

Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Matthew 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this [man] all these things?

Psalm 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

Galatians 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called:
Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
John 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

Jesus called Mary "Woman".

Matthew 12:46 ¶ While he yet talked to the people, behold, [his] mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

Jesus said "Who is my mother?" The answer is in the next two verses.

Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

In other words, he looked towards his disciples and called us brother, sister and mother.

Luke 1:46 ¶ And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

Luke 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

If you have sin then you need a "saviour" and Mary called “God” her saviour.

Was Peter Married?

Matthew 8:14 ¶ And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother (penthera) laid, and sick of a fever.

1 Corinthians 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and [as] the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

Who is Cephas?

John 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
 
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Jesse Charles Wycoff. Just lettn you know 1st; because of Jim Staley's video "After he rested"; I've now wrote my 2nd detailed Sabbath/ Sunday essay. I emailed his church not too long ago; waiting their opinion, lettn them know I'm here. And now my Catholic question;
I have a Catholic friend at work; we manage a few minutes to talk. I asked a question, that I think is fair. Do I have accountability issues; if I don't recognise/ acknowledge/ accept, Mary as the mother of God? "Mother of God" isn't in the KJB; therefore I then have to conclude such a term, as an extreme Catholic opinion. I therefore have no choice but to conclude that I face no possible accountability issues; If I refuse to accept Mary as the "mother of God". She's the mother of Jesus; Yes! But not the "mother of God". Am I correct; Or?
Mary represent the Holy mother that is in heaven, but Mary, she is the mother of all creation and which the other never was created. Te first Adam and the First Eve has died, but now the second Adam and Eve were finished. As they had said that Abraham was their father, but I tell you that God can create descendants for Abraham from out of these stones. There's only can be one father and that is why the second Adam is the father of the creations and the ones that are in Heaven. and so God can only represent Himself because he cannot be mocked (Imitated).
 
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Jesse Charles Wycoff. Just lettn you know 1st; because of Jim Staley's video "After he rested"; I've now wrote my 2nd detailed Sabbath/ Sunday essay. I emailed his church not too long ago; waiting their opinion, lettn them know I'm here. And now my Catholic question;
I have a Catholic friend at work; we manage a few minutes to talk. I asked a question, that I think is fair. Do I have accountability issues; if I don't recognise/ acknowledge/ accept, Mary as the mother of God? "Mother of God" isn't in the KJB; therefore I then have to conclude such a term, as an extreme Catholic opinion. I therefore have no choice but to conclude that I face no possible accountability issues; If I refuse to accept Mary as the "mother of God". She's the mother of Jesus; Yes! But not the "mother of God". Am I correct; Or?
Mary has a genealogy.

What does John 1 say about Jesus?

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mary was not in the beginning.


John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Was Mary made? Yes. She has a genealogy.



What other statements does Jesus say about Himself?

John 8:58 "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

Jesus pre-existed before Mary so how does that make Mary the mother of God? Jesus is the Great "I AM" of Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
 
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Mary represent the Holy mother that is in heaven, but Mary, she is the mother of all creation and which the other never was created. Te first Adam and the First Eve has died, but now the second Adam and Eve were finished. As they had said that Abraham was their father, but I tell you that God can create descendants for Abraham from out of these stones. There's only can be one father and that is why the second Adam is the father of the creations and the ones that are in Heaven. and so God can only represent Himself because he cannot be mocked (Imitated).
Im curious I haven't heard this before, so in your thoughts was Mary God and gave birth to himself?
 
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Mary represent the Holy mother that is in heaven, but Mary, she is the mother of all creation and which the other never was created. Te first Adam and the First Eve has died, but now the second Adam and Eve were finished. As they had said that Abraham was their father, but I tell you that God can create descendants for Abraham from out of these stones. There's only can be one father and that is why the second Adam is the father of the creations and the ones that are in Heaven. and so God can only represent Himself because he cannot be mocked (Imitated).
Um. What is this? I don't even...
 
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Um. What is this? I don't even...
I'm hoping it is an explanation of what Catholics believe and not a support for what they believe. So in some ways, I am thankful for that explanation so everyone can learn from it.
 
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Thank you, Chuckt....you simplified it, indeed. You made it very simple to understand. I've read other's answers and concerns about this same issue and most were long, drawn out chapter studies. However, sadly most of the ones who really need to understand this will not face the reality of it...and they will continue until the day they pass from this earth to believe that Mary is the mother of GOD! My son-in-law has a grandmother (catholic) who believes not only this, but that when a priest serves and/or touches the bread and wine used in what us protestants call "The Lord's Supper", that it turns instantly into the actual DNA flesh and blood of JESUS CHRIST. I have spoken to her for a number of years about this...to NO avail. It gets her upset when I walk away laughing, declaring her a VAMPIRE and giving her a wink. When one is brainwashed about spiritual matters, only the Holy Spirit can transform that brain. "Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind"....so says my Bible.
 
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I'm also curious (4enlightment) as to when God started creating regular spirits like us today. For if Adam was flesh with a God spirit why did he sin on himself?
 
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4enlightment......your comment is so far out in LEFT FIELD..that it needs to stay there until it can be burned and trashed, bulldozed, buried and re'seeded over.
 
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Mary was only His mother here on the earth. In the spiritual realm she is not His mother. Just like when we get to heaven we will no longer be mother or father, husband or wife, cousin or uncle- we will only be siblings as God is our father. This includes Mary, or David, or Moses, or Ruth- we will all be on the same level as simply God's adoptive children. God does not show any favoritism in His children, except for Christ, His only Son, who was not adopted.
 
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Im curious I haven't heard this before, so in your thoughts was Mary God and gave birth to himself?
God is in Jesus and Jesus is in God, and the spirit dwells with them as well; they both are one. The Holy spirit is the Holy mother, God's feminine side that shows kindness that is why that it says in this verse Isaiah 63:10 Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. To me, that sound as if a man became angry for upsetting his wife. We are supposedly to be imitating those that are in heaven, but there are earthly bodies and then there is heavenly bodies. Our earthly bodies can do tings to a certain limit; like when a man and woman join together they are not one in the natural, but they only can be one in spirit. But God is a spirit. In those days, they were immature, that they could not accept a woman to be above a man, and which Paul was trying to get them to accept women as one of them. And so God had to referred the heavenly mother as the Holy spirit, or else he would of had to destroy them that speak against the ones that cries out for them. There were a apparition that had appeared throughtout history that is always referring to herself as the one that in the story of Guadalupe river, that Luke has made an image of.
This spirit always referring herself as being a part of this, but never revealed her name as the way God had done in the scriptures, by just telling the people that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but never revealing His name. And so this apparition at one time, has said that she the Immaculate conception; and which Immaculate means Holy, pure, and conception means what most spirits are referred as, the possessors; but she is the Holy possession, that possessed the soul to become Clean. All through the scriptures God wanted us to seek His kingdom, which means to search for it; but by our spiritual senses, like who ever has ears and let them hear. But Mary represent the Holy spirit of God. But there can only be one Father, but it never said one mother.
 

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Mary represent the Holy mother that is in heaven, but Mary, she is the mother of all creation and which the other never was created. Te first Adam and the First Eve has died, but now the second Adam and Eve were finished. As they had said that Abraham was their father, but I tell you that God can create descendants for Abraham from out of these stones. There's only can be one father and that is why the second Adam is the father of the creations and the ones that are in Heaven. and so God can only represent Himself because he cannot be mocked (Imitated).
The second Eve is a Roman Catholic fabrication, nowhere mentioned in Scripture. The bride of Christ is His church, made up of faithful born again believers who worship God in spirit and in truth. Mary as the mother of all creation is likewise a Romanist fabrication. Catholicism makes her the queen of heaven fashioned after the pagan idol Asherah. Here is what God thinks of her in the Hebrew Scriptures:

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Asherah&qs_version=NIV
 
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I'm also curious (4enlightment) as to when God started creating regular spirits like us today. For if Adam was flesh with a God spirit why did he sin on himself?
Freewill and which only a God has; He has chosen to listen to others over Him.
 
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The second Eve is a Roman Catholic fabrication, nowhere mentioned in Scripture. The bride of Christ is His church, made up of faithful born again believers who worship God in spirit and in truth. Mary as the mother of all creation is likewise a Romanist fabrication. Catholicism makes her the queen of heaven fashioned after the pagan idol Asherah. Here is what God thinks of her in the Hebrew Scriptures:

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Asherah&qs_version=NIV
Jeremiah 31:15 This is what the Lord says: “A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.”

Revelation 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
 

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Jeremiah 31:15 This is what the Lord says: “A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.”
What does this have to do with Mary?

Revelation 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
And? LOL. Again: nothing to do with Mary.