John baptizes Jesus

[B1Davanda]

I missed this. I am certain you will provide these words of mine (thanks)

(Good luck with that)

There is a pompous arrogance in the way you communicate,
and I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something very
ssssinister even with the way you use/abuse scripture
to try to prove your own interpretations and misunderstandings.

It reminds me of how I feel when I read parts of the bible where
the devil's talking, like to Jesus, or in Eden,
saying things like, 'For God knows...etc.,'
It just gives me the creeps.

I know it's in the bible, so in that sense, it's scripture,
but who is saying it (the enemy),
and how (slyly), and why (to mislead)....Yuck. Creepy.

And you using a graphic
of some woman's(?) eyes peering salaciously, along with
you're admittance that you 'save up ALL those posts'
to counteract the 'nothingness' of others...? Hmmm...

Storing up fiery darts, in opposition to scripture, perhaps?
Arrogance arising from legalism, perhaps?

No, I don't even want to hit the replay button.
There's something a little too sssslick about all this.

If you believe salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone,
that's good news.
If you believe that water-baptism is a requirement
in order to be saved, that's false teaching.

You're free to believe it, but if you teach it, or insist upon it
for others, it seems there's something sssslithering in the waters.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

There is a pompous arrogance in the way you communicate,
and I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something very
ssssinister even with the way you use/abuse scripture
to try to prove your own interpretations and misunderstandings.

Remove the hundredfold pompous arrogance in the way you communicate, and you might be better able to put your finger on it. You take the cake here for being arrogant and abusive.

 

[B1Davanda]

I was baptized years ago. Why don't you just tell people to get baptized? It's a commandment. IMO it's because doing so is against your religion of grace that forbids doing anything to please GOD, lest that violate its one supreme law that there are no laws. Doing GOD's commandments nullifies grace. Your version of grace is exalted above GOD, and how you believe is more important than hearing and doing his word.

NOPE. Your just a liar.

Remove the hundredfold pompous arrogance in the way you communicate, and you might be better able to put your finger on it. You take the cake here for being arrogant and abusive.

NOPE. Your just a liar. Go away.

 

[valiant]

I was baptized years ago.

good. now to get your doctrine sorted out.

Why don't you just tell people to get baptized? It's a commandment.

we do. But not IN ORDER to be saved,. We tell saved people it is God's command.

IMO it's because doing so is against your religion of grace that forbids doing anything to please GOD, lest that violate its one supreme law that there are no laws.

You are just ridiculous. NO ONE on here teaches that. we teach that all law CONDEMNS us, and that is why we need grace. Our grace teaching UPHOLDS the law and makes it as strong as it can be. But when it comes to Obeying the law we are done for. That is why we constantly need salvation by grace alone.,

Doing GOD's commandments nullifies grace.

Rubbish it constantly reminds us we need grace alone.

Your version of grace is exalted above GOD, and how you believe is more important than hearing and doing his word.

we all hear and do His word. but we know if our salvation depends on it we are LOST. We ALWAYS come short.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Not the most popular opinion today but for myself it seems to best to reconcile all the verse that speak of it. A foundation or root for baptism must be sought out. I do not think the bible says baptism, as a foundation indicates one is saved even though being saved could desire to perform it, it is not the subject matter. Christ our husband did not need to be born again.

While all things in the scriptures pertain to our salvation, baptism is a ceremonial law or ritual. It provide no saving substance but is a shadow pointing to the true (Christ) At the most it can literally get a person wet.

Christ was being faithful to exercise the Old Testament ceremonial law as purifying ritual that was required when entering the priestly ministry. It is why Jesus from the tribe of Judah needed a Levite like John to officiate it.

The witness of the Spirit that rested as a dove on Christ was used to represent the presence the Holy Spirit measureless , as the peace of God that surpasses our understanding. This was to inform us he was the High Priest, begotten or revealed in the flesh according to the order of Melchisedec who remains a priest continually .

Having been baptized Christ was now ready to carry on his priestly duties as if he had become a Levite as are part of the new testament kingdom of priest (all believers) . And Christ began to baptize His disciples.

John 3 speaks of Christ who now officially could baptize it began... and questions in regard to the ceremonial purifying law came (verse 25) .

I think they were questioning the validly of Christ knowing he came from the tribe of Judah...

After these things came Jesus and his disciples to the land of Judea, and there he did tarry with them, and was baptizing; and John was "also" baptizing in Aenon, nigh to Salem, because there were many waters there, and they were coming and were being baptized -- for John was not yet cast into the prison –“ there arose then a question from the disciples of John with [some] Jews about purifying”, and they came unto John, and said to him, `Rabbi, he who was with thee beyond the Jordan, to whom thou didst testify, lo, this one is baptizing, and all are coming unto him.' John answered and said, `A man is not able to receive anything, if it may not have been given him from the heaven; . John 3:23-27

John (a member of the bride of Christ) then speaks of the bride, the church made up of many lively stones that makes up the spiritual house of God , and the bridegroom, our husband Christ and hearing him who does give his bride the increase.

Again seeing at the most the water can literally get a person wet and increase to evaporate .

he who is having the bride is bridegroom, and the friend of the bridegroom, who is standing and hearing him, with joy doth rejoice because of the voice of the bridegroom; this, then, my joy hath been fulfilled. `Him it behoveth to increase, and me to become less; he who from above is coming is above all; he who is from the earth, from the earth he is, and from the earth he speaketh; he who from the heaven is coming is above all. John 3:28-31

Here is where the Jews priests and Levites asked John concerning this
in Chapter 1

The next day in John 1:29 (as shown in the above) John sees Jesus, and then a couple of chapters later arose a question concerning purifying between these here

Jesus is shown baptizing here with his disciples (John is not yet cast in prison here)

They are simply baptizing at the same time in Chapter 4

John is still alive here but cast into prison when Jesus says of John

These being contrary to both Jesus and Jesus

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

On post #105 I reverses the correct order for copy pasting in the second two groups of scripture, doesnt really matter overall but I thought I would fix it, I added into it another grouping besides.

Here is where the Jews priests and Levites asked John this
in Chapter 1

The next day in John 1:29 (as shown in the above) John sees Jesus, two of Johns disciples leave off John and follow Jesus

After these things Jesus is shown baptizing here with his disciples (as John who bears Jesus a witness) is baptizing with his (and John is not yet cast in prison here)

After this arose a question concerning purifying between these here

They are simply baptizing at the same time and in Chapter 4 as the Lord is increasing even in numbers of disciples, these coming to him, it says

Out of John and in Luke (at this point) John is still alive but he has been cast into prison when Jesus says of John

It shows the Pharisees rejecting the counsel of God (in the above) who who justified Gods counsel as well (and below) who are contrary to both John and Jesus

He has consecrated for us a new and living way through the veil that is to say his flesh