John baptizes Jesus

[fredoheaven]

Peter preaches baptism [ As per below passage,there is lacking in the comment that "Peter preaches baptism" rather Peter preached the same Jesus as crucified being both Lord and Christ Acts 2:36 and when people heard about it, they pricked in their heart which is a sorrow and remorse, somehow it is a sort of repentance. That's what people did, they repented, (comma) and were baptized...]

Peter commanded the baptism of the Gentiles in water [ So also wit this one, Peter preached and testified the Gospel, the good news of Christ death, burial and resurrection and that whosoever believeth in him shall receive remissions of sins and that those who believe were commanded to baptized..."The whosoever believeth" is given an everlasting life John 3:16 ]

As they were earlier baptized in Acts 10:47-48 [ Likewise, " bodies washed with pure water" has nothing to do with taking away our sins, verse 22 speaks of water as sprinkling and not immersion...]

Like figure whereunto doth also now save us [ If it is a "Like figure", therefore it is a type nothing else.]

Buried with him in baptism ""wherein"" ye are also risen with him
"through faith" of "the operation of God" [ Here is the pre-text to be certainly missed if skip and hope, mix and match in a theological interpretations:
Colossians 2: 4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
Colossians 2: 5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
Colossians 2: 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Colossians 2: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Colossians 2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ
What is being missed? "faith in Christ v.5, "As ye have therefore received Christ..." v.6, Rooted and built up in him, and established in the faith..." v7 and the kind of baptism is the spiritual baptism not in a muddy water.]

I will wait for the particular problem or obsession you speak of

Others will still be my assignmenet

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

There isnt anything pointed out in them that is incorrect, and still havent even shown anything.

 

[fredoheaven]

There isnt anything pointed out in them that is incorrect, and still havent even shown anything.

All right, the scriptures you have posted are all there OKAY. I have no problem with it. The only thing is your comment that's bog me. Incomplete and incorrect if you have read mine in blue. Hope it match but it isn't...

 

[fredoheaven]

All right, the scriptures you have posted are all there OKAY. I have no problem with it. The only thing is your comment that's bog me. Incomplete and incorrect if you have read mine in blue. Hope it match but it isn't...

And that is the particular problem...

 

[fredoheaven]

Here is another as originally Posted by PilgrimPassingThru:

God bearing (the above) witness in the same following these

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Mark 16: 20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.


So indeed the verses above is used to propagate water of baptism that saves. Quoting above says, “God bearing witness in the same following these”.

OKAY then, if you would really follow what the passage is all about and this I believe that according to you is true and one needs to ACT in OBEDIENCE, but I really pity those who will act with obedience on the whole passage because the above verses is there telling us to take up serpents and drink deadly thing.

Oh my, we need to stop this kind of imagination. As said, the Bible is correct but the application is incorrect. Don’t try to be picky on the verse this time. It’s not time to pick one verse? If you would like to obey Christ, you just need to obey Him all completely. Also, “the signs that follow them” (Apostles/disciples) did not continue which the bible does not really says it continued with them. Folks get saved because of their faith in Christ without water.

 

[Zmouth]

I will wait for the particular problem or obsession you speak of

Folks get saved because of their faith in Christ without water.

So what's your point, that since (their name here) doesn't believe what (your name here) believe so (their name here) belief isn't the required act that one has to perform in order to be saved according to your belief?

Good thing ya'll got a book huh? Did you have to repent first before your faith took effect?



Rom 11:27-32
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. (he taking about both of you)


29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:


31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.


32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

What is the point of posting scripture to topics about baptism?

You are free to post scripture too, try it.

 

[fredoheaven]

So what's your point, that since (their name here) doesn't believe what (your name here) believe so (their name here) belief isn't the required act that one has to perform in order to be saved according to your belief?

Good thing ya'll got a book huh? Did you have to repent first before your faith took effect?



Rom 11:27-32
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. (he taking about both of you)


29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:


31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.


32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

The point is water baptism can't save. Thank you,

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

All who had FAITH?

Why don't YOU just get water-baptized? Why are you like pilgrims obsessed with other ppl getting water-baptized? Don't you have enough confidence in God that if He wants a child of His to get water-baptized, He knows how to bring that about?
Or do you still think that person isn't a child of God UNTIL they get water-baptized?
Why don't you just get honest and say it? You don't believe a person is saved,
born-again, a child of God UNTIL they are water-baptized, do you?

I was baptized years ago. Why don't you just tell people to get baptized? It's a commandment. IMO it's because doing so is against your religion of grace that forbids doing anything to please GOD, lest that violate its one supreme law that there are no laws. Doing GOD's commandments nullifies grace. Your version of grace is exalted above GOD, and how you believe is more important than hearing and doing his word.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a perfect example of false accusations against a fellow Christian because they don't believe that people do not have remission of sins or are regenerated unless/until they get water baptized. The issue is not whether to be water baptized. We all agree to that. We eagerly love to watch people get water baptized.

We need to stop these false accusations so that there will be peace amongst us brethren and stop causing division and malice with each other. We are allowed to agree to disagree too and respect each other in the meantime.

 

[garee]

what was the significance of Jesus' baptism, why didn't the spirit descend to him prior to this, was it really necessary for him to be baptized? I ask this because people have told me that being baptized isn't really a salvation issue its just a public display that you do to say that you follow Christ. (Or somewhere on those lines) so was this just a public display that God wanted the people or at least John to see? And to hear? Or was the spirit of God not with him until this point?

Not the most popular opinion today but for myself it seems to best to reconcile all the verse that speak of it. A foundation or root for baptism must be sought out. I do not think the bible says baptism, as a foundation indicates one is saved even though being saved could desire to perform it, it is not the subject matter. Christ our husband did not need to be born again.

While all things in the scriptures pertain to our salvation, baptism is a ceremonial law or ritual. It provide no saving substance but is a shadow pointing to the true (Christ) At the most it can literally get a person wet.

Christ was being faithful to exercise the Old Testament ceremonial law as purifying ritual that was required when entering the priestly ministry. It is why Jesus from the tribe of Judah needed a Levite like John to officiate it.

The witness of the Spirit that rested as a dove on Christ was used to represent the presence the Holy Spirit measureless , as the peace of God that surpasses our understanding. This was to inform us he was the High Priest, begotten or revealed in the flesh according to the order of Melchisedec who remains a priest continually .

Having been baptized Christ was now ready to carry on his priestly duties as if he had become a Levite as are part of the new testament kingdom of priest (all believers) . And Christ began to baptize His disciples.

John 3 speaks of Christ who now officially could baptize it began... and questions in regard to the ceremonial purifying law came (verse 25) .

I think they were questioning the validly of Christ knowing he came from the tribe of Judah...

After these things came Jesus and his disciples to the land of Judea, and there he did tarry with them, and was baptizing; and John was "also" baptizing in Aenon, nigh to Salem, because there were many waters there, and they were coming and were being baptized -- for John was not yet cast into the prison –“ there arose then a question from the disciples of John with [some] Jews about purifying”, and they came unto John, and said to him, `Rabbi, he who was with thee beyond the Jordan, to whom thou didst testify, lo, this one is baptizing, and all are coming unto him.' John answered and said, `A man is not able to receive anything, if it may not have been given him from the heaven; . John 3:23-27

John (a member of the bride of Christ) then speaks of the bride, the church made up of many lively stones that makes up the spiritual house of God , and the bridegroom, our husband Christ and hearing him who does give his bride the increase.

Again seeing at the most the water can literally get a person wet and increase to evaporate .

he who is having the bride is bridegroom, and the friend of the bridegroom, who is standing and hearing him, with joy doth rejoice because of the voice of the bridegroom; this, then, my joy hath been fulfilled. `Him it behoveth to increase, and me to become less; he who from above is coming is above all; he who is from the earth, from the earth he is, and from the earth he speaketh; he who from the heaven is coming is above all. John 3:28-31

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Here is a perfect example of false accusations against a fellow Christian because they don't believe that people do not have remission of sins or are regenerated when they get water baptized. The issue is not whether to be water baptized. We all agree to that. We eagerly love to watch people get water baptized.

We need to stop these false accusations so that there will be peace amongst us brethren.

And you're a perfect example of someone who tries to stir up trouble under the guise of being a peacemaker. I stated my opinion as part of the discussion, and you felt a need to interject yourself to stir up animosity and promote intolerance of ideas. IMO a lot of the ugliness on this forum can be attributed to you sitting back and egging people on with your veiled accusations.

 

[garee]

Ultimately I think the portion of scripture in John 3 show us the proper loosening and binding authority . Seeing when it gets turned up side down the spirit of the antichrist is present trying to get his foothold in the door.

I was baptized the orthodox way.

 

[KJV1611]

It's the same as being circumcised, Paul fought this through out His ministry and we are still fighting the Judiazers to this day.

The problem is that people can't discern between shadows and the real. Circumcission of the flesh does nothing for the soul, same with water baptism, being immersed in water does nothing for us but being immersed in the "real water" the word of God creates our new man.

Ever ate the shadow of a hamburger for lunch... not very fulfilling huh?

 

[KJV1611]

And you're a perfect example of someone who tries to stir up trouble under the guise of being a peacemaker. I stated my opinion as part of the discussion, and you felt a need to interject yourself to stir up animosity and promote intolerance of ideas. IMO a lot of the ugliness on this forum can be attributed to you sitting back and egging people on with your veiled accusations.

That's bull, Grace is one of the nicest most sincere people on this forum.... and that's coming from someone who disagrees with him on almost everything! Sorry Grace but we do disagree on a lot.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That's bull, Grace is one of the nicest most sincere people on this forum.... and that's coming from someone who disagrees with him on almost everything! Sorry Grace but we do disagree on a lot.

And you believe the King James bible is without errors. That doesn't give me a lot of confidence that your mind is really that in touch with reality.

 

[KJV1611]

And you believe the King James bible is without errors. That doesn't give me a lot of confidence that your mind is really that in touch with reality.

Yeah I do believe God preserved his word PERFECTLY without errors just like the bible said he would.

 

[Grace777x70]

That's bull, Grace is one of the nicest most sincere people on this forum.... and that's coming from someone who disagrees with him on almost everything! Sorry Grace but we do disagree on a lot.

Thank you for those kind remarks...and LOL..we do seem to disagree on some things but not all things .."O Ye of little faith"..( just wanted to use some King Jimmie talk )......just kiddin' with ya..

But on the fundamentals of faith in the grace of Christ alone for salvation we are solid on!

 

[popeye]

The whole problem is " ordinances"

We are not saved THROUGH OR BY any ordinance. SALVATION IS A PERSON.

That is WHY it appears to be different "avenues" to "salvation"

One says repent,one says believe,one says be baptized,one says confess.

Now,when one takes all those verses,and APPLIES CONTEXT,guess what?

It PROVES Jesus is doing the saving. NOT THE ORDINANCES.

THERE ARE ORDINANCES IN THE NT.

THE ones in the ot,out side the ridiculous added ones,are extensions of Moses' law.

The ones in the NT,are mostly Given by Jesus and Paul and are either modifications or confirmations of the mosaic law,or completely fly in the face of the OT.

What we are seeing here is loose attempts to sort through what ties to the concept of salvation.

MOST DO.

Because disobedience is a sin.

Take "repentance". Who could argue with that? Well,it is literally impossible to know if one is fully repented. That is because repentance implies TOTAL CHANGE,A COMPLETE TURNING.

....WHICH is IMPOSSIBLE W/O the HS.

Now,for me,it has been a process.

So,don't you know,it is possible for some believer to say I was never saved,because I did not "fully repent".

IOW,what is happening is "error by emphasis"

 

[B1Davanda]

Our salvation does not come from water baptism, but from Christ.

We cannot hope to get to the Father through the law, through tradition.

Should we get baptized to be obedient? Yes. Scripture clearly teaches that.

But if a man cannot get baptized for some reason God isn't going to hold it against him. What matters is that a man's heart is centered on the love of God and obeying him to the best of his ability.

(these things are scriptural, CBA to get chapter/verse ATM)

(not getting the coded part in parenthesis) ?

You started out good.
You said our salvation doesn't come from water-baptism,
but from Christ. Right. You should have stopped there.
However...

If 'what matters' is 'a man's heart being 'centered' on the love of God' (?) and 'obeying Him to the best of his ability', then why did Jesus have to die?

Many ppl say they have their heart in the right place and do the best they can,
many ppl even do wonderful, loving things and do 'the best of their ability' all their life. Does that earn them salvation?

Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins, and the bible says all have sinned,
and it's BY FAITH in His sacrifice for us that saves us, not any works of righteousness that we do, INCLUDING WATER-BAPTISM, not, 'obeying to the best of our ability'.

Those are good things that should FOLLOW salvation, if possible, but are not 'what's important' IN ORDER TO BE saved.
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