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I only know one other prophet personally. I wouldn' t give away his name. He is no that known. I don't watch that much Christian TV or buy that many books. I have heard that there are a few on Christian Tv, but I can't say they are prophets that I know of. We did tongues and interpretation together is why I believe this man that he is a prophet. He also gave prophecies to people. He was a spiritual man always in the Spirit of God prophecing. He was willing to go to jail for telling people about Jesus and didn't stop so they would release him.
ri-i-i-i-ght.
DATES WITH DESTINY
Destiny is a word with mixed spiritual meanings. Is has eschatological significance. It is about the future. It has long been a theme of the Latter Rain cult (whose chief publishing house is called Destiny Image) which helped to birth the New Apostolic Reformation. Destiny is also an occult concept. It is described in an entry in the New Age encyclopedia The Seeker's Handbook: The Complete Guide to Spiritual Pathfinding as
From Latin, de-, "from" + sidere, "star"' something given from the stars or by a higher power, supposed to operate as the preset plan or design of an individual's life. Basically, the expression that results from the full unfolding of one's innate potential.[25]
Destiny refers to "a predetermined course of events.... It is a concept based on the belief that there is a fixed natural order to the cosmos."
Some believe that one's destiny may be ascertained by divination or proclaimed as the prophecy of a prophet or sibyl. In the belief systems of many cultures, one's destiny can only be learned about through a shaman, babalawo, saint or seer.[26]
Tied in with the esoteric ideas about destiny are the concepts of Fate and Fortune. "Fate defines events as ordered or 'inevitable.'" And Fortune is often more connected with chance.[27] Interestingly, Destiny, the Fates and Fortune were worshiped as deities.[28] At least one Bible translation of Isaiah 65:11 (NASB) uses the words Fortune and Destiny, in the sense of false gods: "But you who forsake the LORD, Who forget My holy mountain, Who set a table for Fortune, And who fill cups with mixed wine for Destiny."[29]
In this esoteric sense the concept of destiny has a very unbiblical foundation. It is more rooted in the occult idea of divination, and the idea that one can create (or "envision") their own future. This type of false teaching using mystical imagination is already wildly popular in the evangelical world. It presupposes that man can ascertain his divine destiny and actually make it happen, including by such methods as "positive thinking." In the NAR, this is related to a heresy that people can issue "decrees."[30] Dr. Adam's blog post quote (cited at the beginning of this post) seems to come right out of this false teaching.[31]
Creating one's own future has been applied corporately to churches, who have been trained in the technique of writing "mission, vision and values" statements based on envisioning their church's restructuring and transformation. Churches and entire nations must come into "alignment" with the global plan for Dominionism, often cleverly disguised in Great Commission, "missional" or "cultural renewal" language. This is why, applied corporately to the 7 Mountains, the strategy of envisioning one's destiny, especially if it means "manifest destiny," becomes a frightening prospect. According to this view "the spiritual destiny of entire groups (such as cities or nations) must be changed. In terms of this approach, the mission of the church relates to groups rather than to individuals."[32]
THE PURPOSE OF DESTINY
Another link between Dr. LaVerne Adams and the New Apostolic Reformation is her association with Dr. Mark Chironna. She describes him in the Acknowledgements of her original book as
an invaluable mentor, life coach, and friend. His brilliant style of ministry has not only challenged me to reshape my inner world but has tremendously impacted the development of my divine destiny. Because of his caring and visionary approach, I now see with clarity, a phenomenal future filled with endless possibility and abounding potential.[33] [bold added]
Chironna is listed alongside Rick Warren as a key endorser of her book, saying, "She has taken time to explain the rich heavenly meaning of destiny and brought it down to earth in practical and powerful soul-searching questions that will unlock things inside you that have been held back for a long time."[34] In this context he refers to destiny as a "quest,"[35] which is defined by The Seeker's Handbook as "the act of seeking... one's purpose.... Through questions, one comes to a sense of purpose as well as a state of enlightenment...."[36]
Mark Chironna Ministries is presenting a "Mantles, Measures and Mandates II" conference in Atlanta this coming September, in which they are going to talk about how to "profit from change" and "tap into the future" to "identify the trends of the Kingdom," which essentially means Dominionsm.[37] This prosperity message is also found in the K.E.Y.S. Kingdom Economic Yearly Summer meetings keynoted by Chironna, which is said to be patterned after the World Economic Forum. The K.E.Y.S. purpose is described ominously as:
Summits are governmental gatherings where apostolic leaders declare, decree, legislate, negotiate, set policy, plan the future, discuss issues, enter into agreements and treaties, and form alliances and coalitions, so this is not a conference, seminar or workshop. Instead, it is an intentional, strategic assembly of warriors, leaders and generals who are supernaturally taking the Kingdom of God by force and advancing it in the marketplace on earth as it is in Heaven.[38] [link added, bold in original]
Chironna has authored his own self-help destiny-themed books, including titles like Seven Secrets to Unfolding Destiny, Stepping Into Greatness, and Live Your Dream.[39] He is called a bishop, a prophet, and an apostle,[40] and he is solidly linked with
the leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation such as Heidi Baker and John Arnott,[41] Rick Joyner, Bill Hamon, Kim Clement, and finally - most significantly - Lance Wallnau,[42] who is the chief promoter of the 7 Mountains Mandate.
[43] Chironna was featured at the "Let the Eagles Gather: The International Gathering of Prophets, Apostles and Intercessors" conference in Orlando in August 2009 along with top NAR "apostles" Chuck Pierce and Cindy Jacobs.[44] Chironna must be considered important in these circles, because he is also listed as an endorser of the Frank Viola and Leonard Sweet's recently released Jesus Manifesto book.[45]
Underscoring all of the concerns voiced so far is yet another prophetic message by Dr. Chironna posted on The Elijah List, seemingly talking about the Latter Rain's concept of a New Breed, titled "The Next Decade: A New Generation of Blessings, Entrepreneurs, and Creative Expression will Emerge." In this key article Chironna says there is a "generational shift" that will be "strategically prepared, strategically postured, and strategically positioned for what wants to emerge out of the invisible into the visible relative to Kingdom expansion and enlargement." Chironna says this requires "the opening of strategic portals, gateways and places of access and transition and change" for the "new era that is dawning."[46] Of course, all of this "prophesying" about the future has to do with the concept of destiny.
Destiny appears to be an up and coming word, perhaps 'destined' to replace 'purpose' as the new mantra for the kingdom-building crowd. Destiny has a touchy-feely aspect to it that makes it personally appealing to those with lustful ambitions for power and wealth. It also appears to be yet another code-word for Dominionism.
The Truth:
"Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." (James 4:13-14)
Herescope: Destiny-Driven Dominionism
DATES WITH DESTINY
Destiny is a word with mixed spiritual meanings. Is has eschatological significance. It is about the future. It has long been a theme of the Latter Rain cult (whose chief publishing house is called Destiny Image) which helped to birth the New Apostolic Reformation. Destiny is also an occult concept. It is described in an entry in the New Age encyclopedia The Seeker's Handbook: The Complete Guide to Spiritual Pathfinding as
From Latin, de-, "from" + sidere, "star"' something given from the stars or by a higher power, supposed to operate as the preset plan or design of an individual's life. Basically, the expression that results from the full unfolding of one's innate potential.[25]
Destiny refers to "a predetermined course of events.... It is a concept based on the belief that there is a fixed natural order to the cosmos."
Some believe that one's destiny may be ascertained by divination or proclaimed as the prophecy of a prophet or sibyl. In the belief systems of many cultures, one's destiny can only be learned about through a shaman, babalawo, saint or seer.[26]
Tied in with the esoteric ideas about destiny are the concepts of Fate and Fortune. "Fate defines events as ordered or 'inevitable.'" And Fortune is often more connected with chance.[27] Interestingly, Destiny, the Fates and Fortune were worshiped as deities.[28] At least one Bible translation of Isaiah 65:11 (NASB) uses the words Fortune and Destiny, in the sense of false gods: "But you who forsake the LORD, Who forget My holy mountain, Who set a table for Fortune, And who fill cups with mixed wine for Destiny."[29]
In this esoteric sense the concept of destiny has a very unbiblical foundation. It is more rooted in the occult idea of divination, and the idea that one can create (or "envision") their own future. This type of false teaching using mystical imagination is already wildly popular in the evangelical world. It presupposes that man can ascertain his divine destiny and actually make it happen, including by such methods as "positive thinking." In the NAR, this is related to a heresy that people can issue "decrees."[30] Dr. Adam's blog post quote (cited at the beginning of this post) seems to come right out of this false teaching.[31]
Creating one's own future has been applied corporately to churches, who have been trained in the technique of writing "mission, vision and values" statements based on envisioning their church's restructuring and transformation. Churches and entire nations must come into "alignment" with the global plan for Dominionism, often cleverly disguised in Great Commission, "missional" or "cultural renewal" language. This is why, applied corporately to the 7 Mountains, the strategy of envisioning one's destiny, especially if it means "manifest destiny," becomes a frightening prospect. According to this view "the spiritual destiny of entire groups (such as cities or nations) must be changed. In terms of this approach, the mission of the church relates to groups rather than to individuals."[32]
THE PURPOSE OF DESTINY
Another link between Dr. LaVerne Adams and the New Apostolic Reformation is her association with Dr. Mark Chironna. She describes him in the Acknowledgements of her original book as
an invaluable mentor, life coach, and friend. His brilliant style of ministry has not only challenged me to reshape my inner world but has tremendously impacted the development of my divine destiny. Because of his caring and visionary approach, I now see with clarity, a phenomenal future filled with endless possibility and abounding potential.[33] [bold added]
Chironna is listed alongside Rick Warren as a key endorser of her book, saying, "She has taken time to explain the rich heavenly meaning of destiny and brought it down to earth in practical and powerful soul-searching questions that will unlock things inside you that have been held back for a long time."[34] In this context he refers to destiny as a "quest,"[35] which is defined by The Seeker's Handbook as "the act of seeking... one's purpose.... Through questions, one comes to a sense of purpose as well as a state of enlightenment...."[36]
Mark Chironna Ministries is presenting a "Mantles, Measures and Mandates II" conference in Atlanta this coming September, in which they are going to talk about how to "profit from change" and "tap into the future" to "identify the trends of the Kingdom," which essentially means Dominionsm.[37] This prosperity message is also found in the K.E.Y.S. Kingdom Economic Yearly Summer meetings keynoted by Chironna, which is said to be patterned after the World Economic Forum. The K.E.Y.S. purpose is described ominously as:
Summits are governmental gatherings where apostolic leaders declare, decree, legislate, negotiate, set policy, plan the future, discuss issues, enter into agreements and treaties, and form alliances and coalitions, so this is not a conference, seminar or workshop. Instead, it is an intentional, strategic assembly of warriors, leaders and generals who are supernaturally taking the Kingdom of God by force and advancing it in the marketplace on earth as it is in Heaven.[38] [link added, bold in original]
Chironna has authored his own self-help destiny-themed books, including titles like Seven Secrets to Unfolding Destiny, Stepping Into Greatness, and Live Your Dream.[39] He is called a bishop, a prophet, and an apostle,[40] and he is solidly linked with
the leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation such as Heidi Baker and John Arnott,[41] Rick Joyner, Bill Hamon, Kim Clement, and finally - most significantly - Lance Wallnau,[42] who is the chief promoter of the 7 Mountains Mandate.
[43] Chironna was featured at the "Let the Eagles Gather: The International Gathering of Prophets, Apostles and Intercessors" conference in Orlando in August 2009 along with top NAR "apostles" Chuck Pierce and Cindy Jacobs.[44] Chironna must be considered important in these circles, because he is also listed as an endorser of the Frank Viola and Leonard Sweet's recently released Jesus Manifesto book.[45]
Underscoring all of the concerns voiced so far is yet another prophetic message by Dr. Chironna posted on The Elijah List, seemingly talking about the Latter Rain's concept of a New Breed, titled "The Next Decade: A New Generation of Blessings, Entrepreneurs, and Creative Expression will Emerge." In this key article Chironna says there is a "generational shift" that will be "strategically prepared, strategically postured, and strategically positioned for what wants to emerge out of the invisible into the visible relative to Kingdom expansion and enlargement." Chironna says this requires "the opening of strategic portals, gateways and places of access and transition and change" for the "new era that is dawning."[46] Of course, all of this "prophesying" about the future has to do with the concept of destiny.
Destiny appears to be an up and coming word, perhaps 'destined' to replace 'purpose' as the new mantra for the kingdom-building crowd. Destiny has a touchy-feely aspect to it that makes it personally appealing to those with lustful ambitions for power and wealth. It also appears to be yet another code-word for Dominionism.
The Truth:
"Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away." (James 4:13-14)
Herescope: Destiny-Driven Dominionism
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Genesis 11:7-9
(7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
(8) So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
(9) Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Babylon means confusion they could not understand each other so it was called Baby-lon, Baby's speak gibberish we cannot understand them, the tongues from the Pentecostals comes from Babylon cause it is nothing but gibberish
(7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
(8) So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
(9) Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Babylon means confusion they could not understand each other so it was called Baby-lon, Baby's speak gibberish we cannot understand them, the tongues from the Pentecostals comes from Babylon cause it is nothing but gibberish
lol Lao.
well, they misunderstand that when God came down to see Babel, all men spoke a single language.
He confounded their ONE WORLD ORDER by pouring out THE LANGUAGES OF THE NATIONS and scattering them.
it kept them from coming together again for a long time, though today they've succeeded. His Will is that this happen, but in His Timing.
Pentecost was a kind of reversal of what He did at Babel.
He poured out The Spirit on the disciples, who were then miraculously able to SPEAK TO THE MEN GATHERED FROM AMONG ALL NATIONS (all flesh...a representation of all flesh - "the world" as it was known) in THEIR OWN LANGUGES, AND EVEN DIALECTS....THE GOSPEL...the wonderful Works of God....this was proof He was opening up salvation to the gentiles (which ticked the jews off and was a judgment He long ago said he would do), exactly as Paul explained that hidden mystery had been planned from the foundation of the world....one people of God - jew and gentile. no diff.
KNOWN LANGUAGES. the same ones God created or imposed at Babel! LOL.
i LOVE the way He works....AMAZING.
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- Acts 2:3
And there appeared to them tongues resembling fire, which were separated and distributed and which settled on each one of them.
Acts 2:2-4 (in Context) Acts 2 (Whole Chapter) - Acts 2:4
And they were all filled (diffused throughout their souls) with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other (different, foreign) languages (tongues), as the Spirit kept giving them clear and loud expression [in each tongue in appropriate words].
Acts 2:3-5 (in Context) Acts 2 (Whole Chapter) - Acts 2:11
Cretans and Arabians too--we all hear them speaking in our own native tongues [and telling of] the mighty works of God!
Acts 2:10-12 (in Context) Acts 2 (Whole Chapter) - Acts 10:46
For they heard them talking in [unknown] tongues (languages) and extolling and magnifying God. Then Peter asked,
- Acts 19:6
And as Paul laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke in [foreign, unknown] tongues (languages) and prophesied.
Acts 19:5-7 (in Context) Acts 19 (Whole Chapter)
Hi everyone! Ok once again the brains. Using the brains. I speak English. If a person came up to me and spoke Chinese it would sound like gibberish to me. As the same if they came and spoke Greek, Spanish, German, what ever.
What needs to happen here is people need to actually read the bible.
the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke in [foreign, unknown] tongues (languages) and prophesied.
Do you get it? You are not supposed to understand it. unknown] tongues
the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke
Can you read that? This isn't big letters as to yell. But to make sure you see the letters.
the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke
Making fun of people that do as the word of God says...you are making fun and mocking God.
the Holy Spirit came on them
Take heed to this warning please. Repent. I love you all. I don't care what church you go to.
Satan came to steal the word of God from you. He has stolen the word from some of you. You go to the enemies camp and take back what he stole from you. The word of God is right there. See it. Believe it. And live it.
Dear God help these people in Jesus.
ya.
we KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.
it's not about us. but you need it to be to justify your unbiblical practises.
Hi Linda:
Ok once again the brains. Using the brains:
the KJV translators ADDED the word UNKNOWN, which for some it causes confusion.
(because they don't understand what HAPPENED AT PENTECOST)
that's why it's in [brackets].
The King James Version added the word unknown before the word tongue in their translation.
The word unknown is never found before the word tongue in any of the original manuscripts.
understand Linda?
Understand that the translators of King James Version never intended to show or imply that it was a part of the original writing of Paul. They KJV translators often inserted a word that they felt would help the reader understand what the original text was saying. Because of the great task of translating one language to another (as here they were translating Greek into English) sometimes it is necessary to do this. But when they did it, they put the inserted word in italics. So it says in the text of the KJV, “…unknown tongues…” This lets the reader know that the word unknown is not part of the original manuscripts.
And in this case, this probably causes a lot of confusion.
What needs to happen here is people need to actually read the bible.
If the word “unknown” was used to say that a tongue was a real human language unknown to the person speaking the tongue, then this is a valid insertion of the word. But if we take the word “unknown” to mean a language unknown to mankind, such as an angelic langauge, then this word is wrong. The best thing to do here is read the Bible as written in the original manuscripts and interpreted properly by most modern versions, which did not insert the word 'unknown'.
Do you get it? You are supposed to understand it.
[unknown] tongues
The King James Version added the word unknown before the word tongue in their translation.
that's why it's in [brackets]
The word unknown is never found before the word tongue in any of the original manuscripts.
http://blog.guidedbytruth.com/unknowntongues.php << click here to learn the truth
Do you get it LINDA? You are supposed to understand it.
the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke.......WHY DIDN'T YOU FINISH IT LINDA?:
One of the best examples of the definition of a toungue is found in Acts 2 where the apostles began to speak in languages that they were not able to speak before. We see here that the apostles spoke specific languages that already existed.
Speaking in tongues was nothing more than the supernatural ability to speak in a real human language.
Acts 2:6-12 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" NIV
SEE ALL THOSE REAL HUMAN LANGUAGES THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND?
WE DON'T NEED THAT MIRCULOUS GIFT ANYMORE BECAUSE THE GOSPEL WENT OUT TO THE NATIONS (GENTILES) AND THEY TAUGHT EACH OTHER THEN IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES...GET IT?
YES I SEE THE LETTERS.
do you understand that the languages are real human languages that the KJV translators added the word UNKNOWN and that it doesn't mean GIBBERING?
what did they speak Linda?
GIBBERISH? UNINTELLIGBLE UTTERANCES THAT MEAN NOTHING? and we're sposed to call it prayer language or some other thing?
OR DID THEY SPEAK THE wonderful works of God TO ALL THE MEN ASSEMBLED AT JERUSALEM, WHERE THEY HAD GATHERED FROM ALL THE NATIONS in their own real, human languges?
Acts 2:6-12 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" NIV
see them? the languages?
those passages in Acts ARE NOT ABOUT YOU LINDA.
they are about the Apostles and disciples who founded the church.
i realize that might make th christian life a little less exciting than what you pretend it is. but you're not practising real christianity.
so STOP PATRONIZING US...IT'S YOU WHO IS IN A CULT.
it is the INSANE CHARiSMATIC CHAOS stuff you're into THAT IS MOCKING GOD AND YOU ALL MAKE FUN OF WE WHO ARE FAITHFUL TO THE REAL MESSAGE
I'M JUST AS SICK OF IT AS YOU ARE. stop mocking US.
REPENT OF WHAT?
NOT FALLING ALL OVER THE PLACE SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT AND PRETENDING TO BE PROPHETS AND LYING AND SAYING GOD IS TELlING YOU THIS AND THAT EVERY DAY WRITE A BOOK REBUKE SOME STRANGE PASTOR AND JIBBERING AND CLAIMING SPIRITUAL VICTORIES OVER DEMONS AND ANGELS IN HIGH PLACES AND CITIES AND PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE AND POWER WARFARE AND CASTING DEVILS OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT MOVES?
REPENT OF THAT LINDA?
BY THE LIVING GOD, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO.
get real Linda.
the charismatic junk you practise is bogus and stupid.
and has NOTHING to do with Jesus.
STOP PATRONIZING AND THREATENING TRUE CHRISTIANS.
GROW UP.
we KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.
it's not about us. but you need it to be to justify your unbiblical practises.
Hi Linda:
Ok once again the brains. Using the brains:
the KJV translators ADDED the word UNKNOWN, which for some it causes confusion.
(because they don't understand what HAPPENED AT PENTECOST)
that's why it's in [brackets].
The King James Version added the word unknown before the word tongue in their translation.
The word unknown is never found before the word tongue in any of the original manuscripts.
understand Linda?
Understand that the translators of King James Version never intended to show or imply that it was a part of the original writing of Paul. They KJV translators often inserted a word that they felt would help the reader understand what the original text was saying. Because of the great task of translating one language to another (as here they were translating Greek into English) sometimes it is necessary to do this. But when they did it, they put the inserted word in italics. So it says in the text of the KJV, “…unknown tongues…” This lets the reader know that the word unknown is not part of the original manuscripts.
And in this case, this probably causes a lot of confusion.
What needs to happen here is people need to actually read the bible.
If the word “unknown” was used to say that a tongue was a real human language unknown to the person speaking the tongue, then this is a valid insertion of the word. But if we take the word “unknown” to mean a language unknown to mankind, such as an angelic langauge, then this word is wrong. The best thing to do here is read the Bible as written in the original manuscripts and interpreted properly by most modern versions, which did not insert the word 'unknown'.
Do you get it? You are supposed to understand it.
[unknown] tongues
The King James Version added the word unknown before the word tongue in their translation.
that's why it's in [brackets]
The word unknown is never found before the word tongue in any of the original manuscripts.
http://blog.guidedbytruth.com/unknowntongues.php << click here to learn the truth
Do you get it LINDA? You are supposed to understand it.
the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke.......WHY DIDN'T YOU FINISH IT LINDA?:
One of the best examples of the definition of a toungue is found in Acts 2 where the apostles began to speak in languages that they were not able to speak before. We see here that the apostles spoke specific languages that already existed.
Speaking in tongues was nothing more than the supernatural ability to speak in a real human language.
Acts 2:6-12 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" NIV
SEE ALL THOSE REAL HUMAN LANGUAGES THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO UNDERSTAND?
WE DON'T NEED THAT MIRCULOUS GIFT ANYMORE BECAUSE THE GOSPEL WENT OUT TO THE NATIONS (GENTILES) AND THEY TAUGHT EACH OTHER THEN IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES...GET IT?
YES I SEE THE LETTERS.
do you understand that the languages are real human languages that the KJV translators added the word UNKNOWN and that it doesn't mean GIBBERING?
what did they speak Linda?
GIBBERISH? UNINTELLIGBLE UTTERANCES THAT MEAN NOTHING? and we're sposed to call it prayer language or some other thing?
OR DID THEY SPEAK THE wonderful works of God TO ALL THE MEN ASSEMBLED AT JERUSALEM, WHERE THEY HAD GATHERED FROM ALL THE NATIONS in their own real, human languges?
Acts 2:6-12 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" NIV
see them? the languages?
those passages in Acts ARE NOT ABOUT YOU LINDA.
they are about the Apostles and disciples who founded the church.
i realize that might make th christian life a little less exciting than what you pretend it is. but you're not practising real christianity.
so STOP PATRONIZING US...IT'S YOU WHO IS IN A CULT.
it is the INSANE CHARiSMATIC CHAOS stuff you're into THAT IS MOCKING GOD AND YOU ALL MAKE FUN OF WE WHO ARE FAITHFUL TO THE REAL MESSAGE
I'M JUST AS SICK OF IT AS YOU ARE. stop mocking US.
REPENT OF WHAT?
NOT FALLING ALL OVER THE PLACE SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT AND PRETENDING TO BE PROPHETS AND LYING AND SAYING GOD IS TELlING YOU THIS AND THAT EVERY DAY WRITE A BOOK REBUKE SOME STRANGE PASTOR AND JIBBERING AND CLAIMING SPIRITUAL VICTORIES OVER DEMONS AND ANGELS IN HIGH PLACES AND CITIES AND PEOPLE FROM A DISTANCE AND POWER WARFARE AND CASTING DEVILS OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT MOVES?
REPENT OF THAT LINDA?
BY THE LIVING GOD, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO.
get real Linda.
the charismatic junk you practise is bogus and stupid.
and has NOTHING to do with Jesus.
STOP PATRONIZING AND THREATENING TRUE CHRISTIANS.
GROW UP.
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I get it zone. You don't believe the bible. You say the bible is a lie. You are lost, and blind. With out knowing to use your words you are stupid.
Psalm 94:8
Consider and understand, you stupid ones among the people! And you [self-confident] fools, when will you become wise?
You see zone...this verse didn't have mine or your names written on it. But over 2000 years since Jesus died and came back this verse is for you.
I'll keep praying for you.
I agree with Loveschild on this one. For the record the Bible teaches that there might not be someone there that understands the language in tongues. 1 Corinthians 14:28 We need an interpreter who is in the Holy Spirit to interpret or no one understands. By the way there are 60 million Assembly of God people in the World who believe what we teach. Not including millions of others. There is nothing occult about what we do.
ya....so?
the interpreter was for REAL LANGUAGES jonathan, whether you like it or not.
Pentecostalism
The Assemblies of God (AG), officially the World Assemblies of God Fellowship, is a group of over 140 autonomous but loosely-associated national groupings of churches which together form the world's largest Pentecostal denomination.[2] With over 300,000 ministers and outstations in over 212 countries and territories serving approximately 57 to 60 million adherents worldwide,[3][4][5] it is the sixth largest international Christian group of denominations.[6]
As an international fellowship, the member denominations are entirely independent and autonomous; however, they are united by shared beliefs and history. The Assemblies originated from the Pentecostal revival of the early 20th century. This revival led to the founding of the Assemblies of God in the United States in 1914. Through foreign missionary work and establishing relationships with other Pentecostal churches, the Assemblies of God expanded into a worldwide movement. It was not until 1988, however, that the world fellowship was formed. As a Pentecostal fellowship, the Assemblies of God believes in the Pentecostal distinctive of baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
Pentecostalism's emphasis on the spiritual gifts places it within Charismatic Christianity, a broad grouping of Christians which have accepted some Pentecostal teachings on Spirit baptism and spiritual gifts. Pentecostalism is theologically and historically close to the charismatic movement as it significantly influenced that movement, and sometimes the terms Pentecostal and charismatic are used interchangeably. Pentecostalism claims more than 250 million adherents worldwide.[5] When charismatics are included with Pentecostals the number increases to nearly a quarter of the world's two billion Christians.[6]
Charismatic Christianity is a Christian doctrine that maintains that modern-day believers experience miracles, prophecy, speaking in tongues, and other spiritual gifts as described in 1Corinthians 12-14 of the Bible. The term "charismatic" derives from the Greek word χάρισμα ("gift," itself derived from χάρις, "grace" or "favor") which is the term used in the aforementioned passage.
"Charismatic Christian" and "renewalist" also can be used as umbrella terms to describe those modern Christians who are in agreement with this theological position, and believe that the manifestations of the Holy Spirit seen in the 1st century Christian Church are available to contemporary Christians and may be experienced and practised today. Charismatic Christians include Pentecostals, neocharismatics, and members of the charismatic movement.
As of 2006[update], Pentecostals and charismatic Christians numbered at least 500 million, a quarter of the world's 2 billion Christians.[1] This means that charismatics are the second largest branch of Christianity after the Roman Catholic Church (though the 120 million Catholic Charismatics do not consider themselves separate from Roman Catholicism).[2]
See also
Cessationism
In Christian theology, Cessationism is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early on in Church history. The opposite of Cessationism is Continuationism. An account of the dispute between Cessationists and Continuationists is presented in the article Cessationism versus Continuationism.
Cessationists generally believe that the miraculous gifts were given only for the foundation of the Church, during the time between the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, c. AD 33 (see Acts 2) and the fulfillment of God's purposes in history, usually identified as either the completion of the last book of the New Testament or the death of the last Apostle, i.e. John the Apostle. Its counterpart is Continuationism which believes that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit have been available for use by the church ever since Pentecost.
the interpreter was for REAL LANGUAGES jonathan, whether you like it or not.
Pentecostalism
The Assemblies of God (AG), officially the World Assemblies of God Fellowship, is a group of over 140 autonomous but loosely-associated national groupings of churches which together form the world's largest Pentecostal denomination.[2] With over 300,000 ministers and outstations in over 212 countries and territories serving approximately 57 to 60 million adherents worldwide,[3][4][5] it is the sixth largest international Christian group of denominations.[6]
As an international fellowship, the member denominations are entirely independent and autonomous; however, they are united by shared beliefs and history. The Assemblies originated from the Pentecostal revival of the early 20th century. This revival led to the founding of the Assemblies of God in the United States in 1914. Through foreign missionary work and establishing relationships with other Pentecostal churches, the Assemblies of God expanded into a worldwide movement. It was not until 1988, however, that the world fellowship was formed. As a Pentecostal fellowship, the Assemblies of God believes in the Pentecostal distinctive of baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
Pentecostalism's emphasis on the spiritual gifts places it within Charismatic Christianity, a broad grouping of Christians which have accepted some Pentecostal teachings on Spirit baptism and spiritual gifts. Pentecostalism is theologically and historically close to the charismatic movement as it significantly influenced that movement, and sometimes the terms Pentecostal and charismatic are used interchangeably. Pentecostalism claims more than 250 million adherents worldwide.[5] When charismatics are included with Pentecostals the number increases to nearly a quarter of the world's two billion Christians.[6]
Charismatic Christianity is a Christian doctrine that maintains that modern-day believers experience miracles, prophecy, speaking in tongues, and other spiritual gifts as described in 1Corinthians 12-14 of the Bible. The term "charismatic" derives from the Greek word χάρισμα ("gift," itself derived from χάρις, "grace" or "favor") which is the term used in the aforementioned passage.
"Charismatic Christian" and "renewalist" also can be used as umbrella terms to describe those modern Christians who are in agreement with this theological position, and believe that the manifestations of the Holy Spirit seen in the 1st century Christian Church are available to contemporary Christians and may be experienced and practised today. Charismatic Christians include Pentecostals, neocharismatics, and members of the charismatic movement.
As of 2006[update], Pentecostals and charismatic Christians numbered at least 500 million, a quarter of the world's 2 billion Christians.[1] This means that charismatics are the second largest branch of Christianity after the Roman Catholic Church (though the 120 million Catholic Charismatics do not consider themselves separate from Roman Catholicism).[2]
See also
- Continuationism
- Cessationism versus Continuationism
- Sola scriptura
- Prima scriptura
- Spiritual gift
- Slain in the Spirit
- Fivefold ministry
Cessationism
In Christian theology, Cessationism is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early on in Church history. The opposite of Cessationism is Continuationism. An account of the dispute between Cessationists and Continuationists is presented in the article Cessationism versus Continuationism.
Cessationists generally believe that the miraculous gifts were given only for the foundation of the Church, during the time between the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, c. AD 33 (see Acts 2) and the fulfillment of God's purposes in history, usually identified as either the completion of the last book of the New Testament or the death of the last Apostle, i.e. John the Apostle. Its counterpart is Continuationism which believes that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit have been available for use by the church ever since Pentecost.
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wow, for someone who claims to be a prophet of God you sure need corrected alot.
1. Zone proved that the word unknown is NOT in the original text. but added by men. But your gonna take someone else's side and disagree with literal proof? I guess we can see where scripture stands in your mind.
2. Just because there might be someone there that does not understand does not make it an unknown language. Not everyone who was there on pentecost spoke the languages spoken of by all the men who spoke. But it was not unknown to everyone. thus it would not be classified as an unknown language.
3. So there are 60 million? I bet there are ten times that many catholics. So are they right because they have more people? Using this as an excuse may help convince you you are right. But it will not help others believe you. It is a lame excuse and does not prove anything!
1. Zone proved that the word unknown is NOT in the original text. but added by men. But your gonna take someone else's side and disagree with literal proof? I guess we can see where scripture stands in your mind.
2. Just because there might be someone there that does not understand does not make it an unknown language. Not everyone who was there on pentecost spoke the languages spoken of by all the men who spoke. But it was not unknown to everyone. thus it would not be classified as an unknown language.
3. So there are 60 million? I bet there are ten times that many catholics. So are they right because they have more people? Using this as an excuse may help convince you you are right. But it will not help others believe you. It is a lame excuse and does not prove anything!
As of 2006[update], Pentecostals and charismatic Christians numbered at least 500 million, a quarter of the world's 2 billion Christians.[1] This means that charismatics are the second largest branch of Christianity after the Roman Catholic Church (though the 120 million Catholic Charismatics do not consider themselves separate from Roman Catholicism).[2]
seeing why we get so much flak?
the road is narrow EG.