JP teaches "self righteousness" and instant "perfectionism"

[InSpiritInTruth]

It is very obvious who is the one doing the lying, slandering and is malice-filled towards the people in the body of Christ.

All one need do is watch the video and see where this heretic said this, no lies, just exposing the false teachers and false teachings. I usually do not watch all the videos you guys spam the forums with, but when I do, it does not take me long to find the errors in his teachings.

I will continue to expose the false teachings of those who pretend to be "in Christ", but are truly reprobates concerning the faith, in both word and deed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Face it, Prince is a heretic, the law does in fact teach us to Love.....Love fulfills the law. Pretty simple stuff.

In fact, this just PROVES how you are a heretic, and like the pharisee, does not understand the meaning of the law.

As jesus said, The law says do not commit adultry, But if you look at a woman with lust, You have sinned.. The law can not teach us how to love, All it can do is teach us how much we failed. and it is not even perfect at this (the pharisee obeyed the letter, but not the spirit. Because they could not comprehend love, because they were not in a relationship with God.

Love fulfills the law. Because love would never want to hurt anyone. But would want to SERVE everyone..

The law can not teach this,, Never was given for that reason.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All one need do is watch the video and see where this heretic said this, no lies, just exposing the false teachers and false teachings. I usually do not watch all the videos you guys spam the forums with, but when I do, it does not take me long to find the errors in his teachings.

I will continue to expose the false teachings of those who pretend to be "in Christ", but are truly reprobates concerning the faith, in both word and deed.

You should try to expose yourself then,, Because you are a heretic who teaches works, not grace..

Thats why you hate grace so much, Because grace tells you all your HARD WORK is meaningless when it comes to eternal life.. Just like Jesus told the pharisee this,,

Sadly, I fear you also would do as they did.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

This message is hidden because eternally-gratefull is on your ignore list.

Ah the bliss!

 

[Grace777x70]

You should try to expose yourself then,, Because you are a heretic who teaches works, not grace..

Thats why you hate grace so much, Because grace tells you all your HARD WORK is meaningless when it comes to eternal life.. Just like Jesus told the pharisee this,,

Sadly, I fear you also would do as they did.

I think we have shown what is really happening here. Let's just let them be to slander and tell lies to malign those in the body of Christ that believe in the finished work of Christ and it is all by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus.

We know the real purpose of the "baiting"..so let's let just ignore them and give out the scriptures and the truth when we the slander and lies being done.

We can trust the Holy Spirit to warn the others in the faith.

2 Corinthians 13:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For we can do nothing against the truth, but only for the truth.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

The Spirit of the law does, if it is written on your heart.

Titus 2

2 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

[SUP]2 [/SUP]That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
[SUP]3[/SUP]The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

[SUP]4 [/SUP]That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

[SUP]5 [/SUP]To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

That last part in red where it speaks of the word of God nt being blasphemed always reminded me of David and and Uriahs wife whereas she could have probably be more obedient to her own husband (over David) but David (in doing that deed) of taking another man's wife to be his wife (in the way that he did so, by the sword of the children of Ammon) still gave an occassion for the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme

2 Sam 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die

In despising the commandment of the Lord 2 Sam 12:9 (coveting another mans wife and having him killed to obtain her) and in effect despising the LORD in his doing so 2 Sam 12:10 But the NT seems bring the same sort of behavior (in a sense) as womans responsibility in respects to be obedient to her OWN husband (in that particular way as I am seeing it) well, contrasting it a little (in my own mind) between the two places. And given the occassion to blaspheme is shown in both places, whether it be in respects to the name and /or word of God its in both.

Or even in them over reaching that potential in the very same as it shows his name was being blasphemed among the Gentile "through the them" in Romans 2:24 saying, For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you which was preceeded by Romans 2: 22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? Whereas in David the two doings (having Uriah killed for his wife and taking his wife to be his own is somewhat wrapped up under one matter) He actually makes note of in respects to that particular deed in 1 Kings 15:5 saying, Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

That one is the one stands out as the only mentionable on David's. Because folks make it appear as if David was just a sinning machine or something when to despise God is to despise his commandment (as was said to David) whereas David was know (for the most part) as one after the heart of God.

I love looking at these things again and again though I always catch more

 

[AuntieAnt]

Their whole cult following is based on just "imagining" yourself to be something they really are not. What a strong delusion!

I understand what you're saying, InSpirit. You're putting a lot of effort and work into explaining yourself so it's very obvious you mean well & wanna please God. Just don't forget, God is Spirit, not a man. He doesn't communicate with our flesh like a man, doesn't relate to our carnal mind at all because it's impossible to receive anything from God in our intellectual mind. It's God's enemy because it likes to figure things out on its own. Our intellectual mind depends on its own understanding.

But that's the opposite of faith. Faith believes in things we cannot see, faith is a spiritual thing, not intellectual thing. Think about it and reason that out with God, not with man. Jesus is able to keep a man. Jesus is able to change a man, to conform him into his image from glory to glory. Jesus is able to put HIS MIND into a man. Jesus is able to replace doubt and fear in a man with his perfect peace and unconditional love. And he's faithful to do it.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That last part in red where it speaks of the word of God nt being blasphemed always reminded me of David and and Uriahs wife whereas she could have probably be more obedient to her own husband (over David) but David (in doing that deed) of taking another man's wife to be his wife (in the way that he did so, by the sword of the children of Ammon) still gave an occassion for the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme

2 Sam 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die

In despising the commandment of the Lord 2 Sam 12:9 (coveting another mans wife and having him killed to obtain her) and in effect despising the LORD in his doing so 2 Sam 12:10 But the NT seems bring the same sort of behavior (in a sense) as womans responsibility in respects to be obedient to her OWN husband (in that particular way as I am seeing it) well, contrasting it a little (in my own mind) between the two places. And given the occassion to blaspheme is shown in both places, whether it be in respects to the name and /or word of God its in both.

Or even in them over reaching that potential in the very same as it shows his name was being blasphemed among the Gentile "through the them" in Romans 2:24 saying, For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you which was preceeded by Romans 2: 22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? Whereas in David the two doings (having Uriah killed for his wife and taking his wife to be his own is somewhat wrapped up under one matter) He actually makes note of in respects to that particular deed in 1 Kings 15:5 saying, Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

That one is the one stands out as the only mentionable on David's. Because folks make it appear as if David was just a sinning machine or something when to despise God is to despise his commandment (as was said to David) whereas David was know (for the most part) as one after the heart of God.

I love looking at these things again and again though I always catch more

Yea, that is a good example, despise the commandment and despise the God who gave it. I was going to write a thread on that topic of those who come in the name of the Lord, but by their sinful behavior they would cause the name of the Lord to be blasphemed.

Like as you see today in the carnal priesthood chosen by men, and not by God, you see how their sinful actions are being exposed for all the world to see. Like priests who commit fornication, homosexual priests, child molesters, and even teachers who come in the name of Christ who run after greedy gain and living to the lusts of the flesh, and not walking in the humility, meekness and holiness of the Spirit.

Of course the Lord also forewarned those who would do such, and would fall under the curse as mentioned in Zech. 5.

But yes, those who would despise the commandment would also despise the One lawgiver who gave it, and eventually their own nakedness would be exposed, and in turn the world seeing their nakedness exposed would then blaspheme the Holy name of the Lord by which they so falsely came under.

Romans 2:24
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.


1 Timothy 6:1

Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think we have shown what is really happening here. Let's just let them be to slander and tell lies to malign those in the body of Christ that believe in the finished work of Christ and it is all by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus.

We know the real purpose of the "baiting"..so let's let just ignore them and give out the scriptures and the truth when we the slander and lies being done.

We can trust the Holy Spirit to warn the others in the faith.

2 Corinthians 13:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For we can do nothing against the truth, but only for the truth.

I know. He thinks him ignoring me has meaning, the fact he keeps showing everyone he has me on ignore shows otherwise. Plus not to mention, I could care less if he sees what I post or not. I do not post for his benefit, I think we established long ago nothing I say will change his mind, But I post to expose the truth to others, so they can see the lies and false accusations he spreads.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I understand what you're saying, InSpirit. You're putting a lot of effort and work into explaining yourself so it's very obvious you mean well & wanna please God. Just don't forget, God is Spirit, not a man. He doesn't communicate with our flesh like a man, doesn't relate to our carnal mind at all because it's impossible to receive anything from God in our intellectual mind. It's God's enemy because it likes to figure things out on its own. Our intellectual mind depends on its own understanding.

But that's the opposite of faith. Faith believes in things we cannot see, faith is a spiritual thing, not intellectual thing. Think about it and reason that out with God, not with man. Jesus is able to keep a man. Jesus is able to change a man, to conform him into his image from glory to glory. Jesus is able to put HIS MIND into a man. Jesus is able to replace doubt and fear in a man with his perfect peace and unconditional love. And he's faithful to do it.

You must be missing the whole point of what I have shown in the OP. You cannot "imagine" yourself as "born again" and "perfect". You did not give birth to yourself the first time, and you cannot do it the second time either. It is by being chosen by God that we are born again, washed, purified, and saved.

JP's doctrine is just one confessing themselves to be "perfect" without no true conversion of actually being "born again" by God.

This is just a self profession of being "perfect" without a actual spiritual transformation taking place inside the heart, which is nothing more than "self righteousness"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You must be missing the whole point of what I have shown in the OP. You cannot "imagine" yourself as "born again" and "perfect". You did not give birth to yourself the first time, and you cannot do it the second time either. It is by being chosen by God that we are born again, washed, purified, and saved.

JP's doctrine is just one confessing themselves to be "perfect" without no true conversion of actually being "born again" by God.

This is just a self profession of being "perfect" without a actual spiritual transformation taking place inside the heart, which is nothing more than "self righteousness"

This has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Talk about taking what someone else says, Twisting it to the point it does not even resemble the original intent of what the author said, And making the author say something else.

From what I have heard from everyone who claims to agree with JP, and what I have seen from what they posted JP said, JP says one who is SAVED (born again) By true faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, by true repentance, Can consider themselves perfect in Christ..

Which is exactly what the word of God says.

You do not even believe anyone is perfect in Christ. For you teach salvation can be lost. Salvation can not be lost if a person is perfect in christ (the righteousness of Christ in us, He has perfected forever.. etc etc)

So people. please see the truth behind this mans agenda. He is falsy accusing someone and slandering them..

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here is a refresher on what JP said...

Colossians 2 tells us we are already made perfect in Christ. We don’t work towards perfection. Christ has made us perfect from the Cross. The minute you believe you are made perfect in Christ. You work from your perfection not to it.” 38

Basically anyone who believes this is proclaiming themselves as already being "perfect"= "sinless perfectionism"

What is ironic, those who hold to this doctrine have said I am preaching "sinless perfectionism", yet I have never claimed myself as already being "perfect." Funny huh?

 

[AuntieAnt]

You must be missing the whole point of what I have shown in the OP. You cannot "imagine" yourself as "born again" and "perfect". You did not give birth to yourself the first time, and you cannot do it the second time either. It is by being chosen by God that we are born again, washed, purified, and saved.

JP's doctrine is just one confessing themselves to be "perfect" without no true conversion of actually being "born again" by God.

This is just a self profession of being "perfect" without a actual spiritual transformation taking place inside the heart, which is nothing more than "self righteousness"

Oh ok, well I agree with you there. My imagination is faulty because most of what I imagine stems from ignorance and fear. Yes, I agree with you that power of positive thinking is bunk.

And again I agree with you that God calls a man to him, not the other way around.

And speaking of being ignorant, I don't know who or what JP is. Is that a person or a doctrine? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that.

What I was referring to is not confessing anything. I don't believe in that confessing and claiming thing. That's silly.

I'm talking about the reality of Christ being able to do in me what I can't do myself. Like for instance, when I run out of resources or can't find the strength or wisdom to do something, or even understand something, and God comes through and just does it. In spite of me. He just reveals himself, his truth and obliterates what I had initially imagined about him. That's what I was saying, not the naming claiming stuff.

Thanks for replying to me. I wasn't sure I was on your ignore list because I acted self-righteous to you in the past. Sorry for that, brother.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Yea, that is a good example, despise the commandment and despise the God who gave it. I was going to write a thread on that topic of those who come in the name of the Lord, but by their sinful behavior they would cause the name of the Lord to be blasphemed.

Like as you see today in the carnal priesthood chosen by men, and not by God, you see how their sinful actions are being exposed for all the world to see. Like priests who commit fornication, homosexual priests, child molesters, and even teachers who come in the name of Christ who run after greedy gain and living to the lusts of the flesh, and not walking in the humility, meekness and holiness of the Spirit.

Of course the Lord also forewarned those who would do such, and would fall under the curse as mentioned in Zech. 5.

But yes, those who would despise the commandment would also despise the One lawgiver who gave it, and eventually their own nakedness would be exposed, and in turn the world seeing their nakedness exposed would then blaspheme the Holy name of the Lord by which they so falsely came under.

Romans 2:24
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.


1 Timothy 6:1

Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

I totally missed that reading it the first time, had you highlighted the black in blue I would have caught that faster, thanks!

Yeah, and this one was in that former post (didnt carry over)

Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

But yeah everything that is named here (below) in respects to the law itself which is not made for a righteous man but for what is actually contrary to sound doctrine itself

1 Ti 9:9 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

1Ti 1:9-10 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for thelawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

And its good he adds that the law is good if a man "use it" lawfully and he does so in the context of them which desire to be teachers of the law understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm there. Same could be shown in hearing the law (the way it speaks) allegorically in places (where even those Paul was speaking to desiring to be under the law werent hearing the same) or even in places when Jesus asked them about the Christ and whose Son is he and they sort of parroted off what was written "Son of David" whereas as Christ would press further asking them "the how" David calls him Lord according to the Psalm Jesus puts forth to them. That how part is shown in the place where they took offense at him in the flesh (knowing his mother and brethren) in respects to grapsing how it was possible for him to "come down from heaven" like observing the difficulties of putting these things together, and he didnt always answer everything, just put forth questions and leave it with them. They seemed to have the same thing where they come together and bounced questions off one another in the temple (the disciples would ask questions between themselves even) its sort of cool I think.

Thanks

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Here is a refresher on what JP said...

Basically anyone who believes this is proclaiming themselves as already being "perfect"= "sinless perfectionism"

What is ironic, those who hold to this doctrine have said I am preaching "sinless perfectionism", yet I have never claimed myself as already being "perfect." Funny huh?

Is that what you are doing? Using their words concerning the "sinless" perfectionism there?

I THINK I got what you are doing because I get confused between the strawmen propped up (against what you are not saying) and what he might be saying (but against which no one adds straw to the same).

That can be hard to follow actually

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Oh ok, well I agree with you there. My imagination is faulty because most of what I imagine stems from ignorance and fear. Yes, I agree with you that power of positive thinking is bunk.

And again I agree with you that God calls a man to him, not the other way around.

And speaking of being ignorant, I don't know who or what JP is. Is that a person or a doctrine? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that.

What I was referring to is not confessing anything. I don't believe in that confessing and claiming thing. That's silly.

I'm talking about the reality of Christ being able to do in me what I can't do myself. Like for instance, when I run out of resources or can't find the strength or wisdom to do something, or even understand something, and God comes through and just does it. In spite of me. He just reveals himself, his truth and obliterates what I had initially imagined about him. That's what I was saying, not the naming claiming stuff.

Thanks for replying to me. I wasn't sure I was on your ignore list because I acted self-righteous to you in the past. Sorry for that, brother.

Yeah, you can't name yourself as anointed and perfect, and then just claim it by "right thinking" like JP =Joseph Prince teaches. I didn't know if you understood that point in my OP or not, but clearly now I know you do. And no, I only have one or two people on ignore, and you are not one of them. And no worries, I'm slow to anger and quick to forgive.....Peace and God bless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh ok, well I agree with you there. My imagination is faulty because most of what I imagine stems from ignorance and fear. Yes, I agree with you that power of positive thinking is bunk.

And again I agree with you that God calls a man to him, not the other way around.

And speaking of being ignorant, I don't know who or what JP is. Is that a person or a doctrine? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that.

What I was referring to is not confessing anything. I don't believe in that confessing and claiming thing. That's silly.

I'm talking about the reality of Christ being able to do in me what I can't do myself. Like for instance, when I run out of resources or can't find the strength or wisdom to do something, or even understand something, and God comes through and just does it. In spite of me. He just reveals himself, his truth and obliterates what I had initially imagined about him. That's what I was saying, not the naming claiming stuff.

Thanks for replying to me. I wasn't sure I was on your ignore list because I acted self-righteous to you in the past. Sorry for that, brother.

If you want to know what JP teaches, Please, Go to JP himself. do not go to ISIT or anyone else who is falsly accusing the man of teaching things which are not true.

We all agree that God calls us,, But that does not mean we all are right.. That includes ISIT..

 

[miknik5]

I recently posted a thread about the process of fighting the good fight of faith, and how by the power of God's Spirit we can resist temptation and sin, and also bring every thought into the obedience of Christ, and also be purified in our hearts and minds by the same Spirit. But this thread like many of mine was met with great resistance and anger by those who follow a certain "cult" following and the teachings of Joseph Prince. Because I preach against sin and for an obedient walk of faith empowered by God I am usually falsely labeled as a "sinless perfectionist" or preaching D.I.Y. "self righteousness".

But here is the funny part, when looking through some of the false teachings of JP I found this quote of his....



What happened to the process of first being made a babe in Christ by spiritual rebirth, and the ongoing process of sanctification and purification, working toward that perfection by the trans formative power of God's Holy Spirit? This is why so many of his followers are so opposed to the idea of actually being set free from sin and heart purity, because that process has been totally removed in JP's teaching.

Basically JP's false teaching just says you need to have "right thinking" not that there is an actual spiritual transformation and rebirth that set's you free from sin and gives you the empowerment to purify your hearts and minds. His teaching is nothing more than declaring yourself as righteous, when in reality there was never a spiritual rebirth that took place.

So by not experiencing an actual rebirth in Christ that transform ones heart and mind, they just proclaim themselves to be "perfect" and "righteous".

That my friends is the true definition of "self righteousness" when a person declares themselves to be something they truly are not, their evil works prove they are not made righteous in Christ.

For those who want to know the many deceptions of this false teacher, here is the link...Joseph Prince exposed, false teachings of Joseph Prince

Who the heck is Joseph Prince?
Never heard of him...
And why would those who have been baptized into CHRIST JESUS, need him?
They have the BEST TEACHER and really do not need for any man to teach them...

Agreed?

 

[miknik5]

Oh! But I like him...he certainly understands that one needs to be born again...a babe in CHRIST who has drunk the MILK first and foremost, before stomaching MEAT...

 

[miknik5]

Who are you to say who has been baptized into CHRIST?
I can attest to you, that John 3:8 as well as 1 John 2 are most certainly TRUE and TRUTH...

And those who have been baptized into CHRIST, I can attest to you, KNOW they have been baptized into CHRIST.

Since, this anointing IS REAL...and the "wind" does blow where it listeth.

And no man can either deter or bring on the "wind"...BUT GOD...