Just so you know. Daniel 7:25

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Magenta

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Look at this short video that has powerful proof from 3 very famous preachers reading and remembering this classic verse:
How is that proof? Famous/well known teachers and preachers get things wrong... regularly.
 

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Here's another. Check this out...
The Dead Sea Scrolls are carbon dated to first and second century BC

Dead Sea Scrolls-Isaiah Scroll. Isaiah 11:6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb and the leopard shall lie down with the kid and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together and a young child shall lead them.

What is amazing is how exact the King James Bible is with the Dead Sea Scrolls some 2 thousand years later.

You are saying God has allowed Satan to altar God's Word.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
 

Omegatime

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#44
Only reason one can be in contention with Isaiah 11:6 are those who do not believe that these persons in the millennial reign of Christ will be living with flesh and blood
 

GaryA

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To the OP:

Nope - sorry - you are in error.

Perhaps, you have read too much about the Mandela Effect or some such thing.

For starters, Daniel 7:25 is referring to the Roman Empire / Holy Roman Empire / Roman Catholic Church.

The things you are posting are not actual proof - there are many factors associated with these things that involve human nature - and, human error.
 

GaryA

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Who is a preterist? (I certainly am not.)
 

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Who is a preterist? (I certainly am not.)
Did it seem like you were?

To the OP:
Nope - sorry - you are in error.
Perhaps, you have read too much about the Mandela Effect or some such thing.
For starters, Daniel 7:25 is referring to the Roman Empire / Holy Roman Empire / Roman Catholic Church.
The things you are posting are not actual proof - there are many factors associated with these things that involve human nature - and, human error.
You didn't even consider the evidence, now did you. And I most certainly pay little attention to those promoting the ME because of how secular it is and has become. I think you missed my post also discrediting the ME.

Just for the time being, maybe you and the others might look just at the literary historical evidence if you have the wherewithal to see it for what it is.
 

GaryA

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Did it seem like you were?
No. But, some people like to think of Historicists as Preterists. However, they are not the same.

The brother who made the remark knows that I am the former and not the latter.

You didn't even consider the evidence, now did you. And I most certainly pay little attention to those promoting the ME because of how secular it is and has become. I think you missed my post also discrediting the ME.

Just for the time being, maybe you and the others might look just at the literary historical evidence if you have the wherewithal to see it for what it is.
Sure, I did. But, it did not take me long to realize that I disagree. (Based on my own personal Bible study and research of such things as the Mandela Effect.)

Whether you agree with the ME stuff or not - I believe it has affected your thinking... (And, maybe not, but that was what I was suggesting.)
 

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Alright, lets look at a very famous author, William Penn. His works were compiled in the book "Remember William Penn" published in 1945.
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Here is an exert from page 134. Look what we find there:
Of all His titles this seems the most glorious as well as comfortable for us, that He is the prince of peace. It is His nature, His office, His work, and the end and excellent blessings of His coming, Who is both the maker and preserver of our peace with God. And it is very remarkable, that in all the New Testament He is but once called lion, but frequently the Lamb of God; to denote to us His gentle, meek, and harmless nature, and that those who desire to be the disciples of His cross and kingdom, for they are inseparable, must be like Him, as St. Paul, St. Peter, and St. John tell us. Nor is it said the lamb shall lie down with the lion, but the lion shall lie down with the lamb. This is war that shall yield to peace, and the soldier turn hermit. To be sure, Christians should not be apt to strive, not swift to anger against anybody, and less with one another, and least of all for the uncertain and fading enjoyments of this lower world: and no quality is exempted from this doctrine. Here is a wide field for the reverend clergy of Europe to act their part in, who have so much the possession of princes and people too.
Is there a wolf anywhere in that text? Nor is there a reference to dwelling.
 

Cameron143

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Alright, lets look at a very famous author, William Penn. His works were compiled in the book "Remember William Penn" published in 1945.
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Here is an exert from page 134. Look what we find there:
Is there a wolf anywhere in that text? Nor is there a reference to dwelling.
The commentary's author misquotes the scripture. Isaiah 11:6 does associate the wolf and lamb and speaks of them as dwelling together. Perhaps they did also lie down together as the leopard and the kid.
 

The_Parson

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The commentary's author misquotes the scripture. Isaiah 11:6 does associate the wolf and lamb and speaks of them as dwelling together. Perhaps they did also lie down together as the leopard and the kid.
Here you go Cameron, dismiss this one too.

https://ccel.org/ccel/spurgeon/sermons40/sermons40.vii.html
The Lord Leading—David Following

(No. 2348)
A SERMON INTENDED FOR READING ON LORD'S DAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1894.
DELIVERED BY C. H. SPURGEON, AT THE METROPOLITAN TABERNACLE, NEWINGTON, ON THURSDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 14, 1889.

DAVID'S life was a life of war. The Christian life wears other aspects, but still, in very deed and in truth, spiritually, it, also, is a life of war. Our Lord spoke the Truth when He said, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." The end of all His great work will be universal peace and the lion shall lie down with the lamb, but, for the present, men fight against the principles which Christ brought into the world and all who become the followers of Christ must expect to be soldiers of One whose life was one great conflict and who died upon the battlefield, yes, and was crowned upon the battlefield, too! Expect, then, to war a good warfare as long as you are here.
 

GaryA

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Short sermon...

Can you believe it! :D

;)
 

Cameron143

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Here you go Cameron, dismiss this one too.

https://ccel.org/ccel/spurgeon/sermons40/sermons40.vii.html
The Lord Leading—David Following

(No. 2348)
A SERMON INTENDED FOR READING ON LORD'S DAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1894.
DELIVERED BY C. H. SPURGEON, AT THE METROPOLITAN TABERNACLE, NEWINGTON, ON THURSDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 14, 1889.

DAVID'S life was a life of war. The Christian life wears other aspects, but still, in very deed and in truth, spiritually, it, also, is a life of war. Our Lord spoke the Truth when He said, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." The end of all His great work will be universal peace and the lion shall lie down with the lamb, but, for the present, men fight against the principles which Christ brought into the world and all who become the followers of Christ must expect to be soldiers of One whose life was one great conflict and who died upon the battlefield, yes, and was crowned upon the battlefield, too! Expect, then, to war a good warfare as long as you are here.
Don't show it to me from a sermon. Show it to me from scripture.
It's a common error. One I've made in the past. But you won't find a lion laying down with a lamb in scripture. You can't find them playing checkers or going to a movie together either.
 

GaryA

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I have hundreds of these residue evidences by the way.
What you have is hundreds of evidences of a "quirk" of human psychology - the propensity to associate and remember things based in/on patterns and similarity:

"the lion shall lie down with the lamb"

The mere "sound" of it [in our head] promotes the effect.

It is a real thing... ;)

And, remember the statement about 'lion' and 'lamb' both being associated with Christ? Yep - that just helps promote the effect even more.

If people tend to do it so easily today - what makes you think people who wrote things in the past were exempt from it?
 

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Don't show it to me from a sermon. Show it to me from scripture.
It's a common error. One I've made in the past. But you won't find a lion laying down with a lamb in scripture. You can't find them playing checkers or going to a movie together either.
With this particular verse, I have none. With others I do. Sermons and expositories are all that come up Cameron.
 

The_Parson

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What you have is hundreds of evidences of a "quirk" of human psychology - the propensity to associate and remember things based in/on patterns and similarity:

"the lion shall lie down with the lamb"

The mere "sound" of it [in our head] promotes the effect.

It is a real thing... ;)

And, remember the statement about 'lion' and 'lamb' both being associated with Christ? Yep - that just helps promote the effect even more.

If people tend to do it so easily today - what makes you think people who wrote things in the past were exempt from it?
"When one will not allow a certain concept to enter their minds, all you find is a closed door with no handle."