Just so you know. Daniel 7:25

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GaryA

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"When one will not allow a certain concept to enter their minds, all you find is a closed door with no handle."
Oh - but, I considered it very seriously at one point in the past while research the Mandela Effect - this is not new to me by any stretch of imagination - "you got nothin' on me" - I am well ahead of you - only, you need to "catch up" to the true nature of the reality of the world you live in... ;)
 

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The Mandela Effect was/is a psyop - to cause confusion and steer people to believe in things like aliens.

The answer to all of this is really quite simple; however, you must understand what has taken place in the world.

Do you not realize that there are people and organizations in the world who have had unlimited resources to study human nature?

(for a very long time)

Do you not realize that these same people have used this knowledge against the masses to deceive them into following their agenda?

(without even realizing it)
 

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Oh - but, I considered it very seriously at one point in the past while research the Mandela Effect - this is not new to me by any stretch of imagination - "you got nothin' on me" - I am well ahead of you - only, you need to "catch up" to the true nature of the reality of the world you live in... ;)
Please, and I don't mean this sarcastically, educate me. Because the proofs of the Bible changes are indeed very real to me. And the only way I've been able to reconcile these changes are in supernatural terms, and finding historic proofs seeing that is the only major tool God has given to me. I don't want to misuse what God has given me. Feel free help me out and I may have no need to continue on this line of thought. That is if you have the time.
 

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With this particular verse, I have none. With others I do. Sermons and expositories are all that come up Cameron.
Right. Which means it's not biblically correct, despite the magnitude and reputation of those who have misrepresented the actual verbiage of scripture.
 

GaryA

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Please, and I don't mean this sarcastically, educate me. Because the proofs of the Bible changes are indeed very real to me. And the only way I've been able to reconcile these changes are in supernatural terms, and finding historic proofs seeing that is the only major tool God has given to me. I don't want to misuse what God has given me. Feel free help me out and I may have no need to continue on this line of thought. That is if you have the time.
If you are truly sincere, I will do my best to make the time.

I do have real-life stuff to do (And, I have been spending less-and-less time on CC as of late.) - and, this is not a 5-minute single post explanation - it involves many things learned from years of research and study - so, please be patient.

But, again - as long as you are sincere - I will try...

Please understand that - nothing I have said - nor anything I will say - is intended to belittle you or insult you in any way. If I say/suggest something to you on the order of "You have been deceived." (and, probably followed with an explanation of the 'why' and 'how' it happened) - please do not be offended by what I say; rather, try to focus on the information I am trying to impart to you for the benefit of your understanding.

The one thing about the Mandela Effect that is actually true is the effect - that which seems to be true but is not.

At this point, let me ask you - do you recognize that - all-the-while you are discrediting ME - you are promoting it?

(more later, Lord willing...)
 

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It reminds of the error of “three wise men” visiting Jesus. The maji were never numbered but three gifts were given.
 

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Right. Which means it's not biblically correct, despite the magnitude and reputation of those who have misrepresented the actual verbiage of scripture.
But then again, there is resideology that is taken directly from residual Biblical text from history. I'll dig in and get those for you and their examples of scriptural change. Be back with you later.
 

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It reminds of the error of “three wise men” visiting Jesus. The maji were never numbered but three gifts were given.
That's really just an example of the Roman Catholic Churches meddling with the actual word.
 

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If you are truly sincere, I will do my best to make the time.

I do have real-life stuff to do (And, I have been spending less-and-less time on CC as of late.) - and, this is not a 5-minute single post explanation - it involves many things learned from years of research and study - so, please be patient.

But, again - as long as you are sincere - I will try...

Please understand that - nothing I have said - nor anything I will say - is intended to belittle you or insult you in any way. If I say/suggest something to you on the order of "You have been deceived." (and, probably followed with an explanation of the 'why' and 'how' it happened) - please do not be offended by what I say; rather, try to focus on the information I am trying to impart to you for the benefit of your understanding.

The one thing about the Mandela Effect that is actually true is the effect - that which seems to be true but is not.

At this point, let me ask you - do you recognize that - all-the-while you are discrediting ME - you are promoting it?

(more later, Lord willing...)
Please proceed. Lets consider the merits and I appreciate your time spent.
 

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But then again, there is resideology that is taken directly from residual Biblical text from history. I'll dig in and get those for you and their examples of scriptural change. Be back with you later.
No need. I don't accept your premise.
 

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The one thing about the Mandela Effect that is actually true is the effect - that which seems to be true but is not.

At this point, let me ask you - do you recognize that - all-the-while you are discrediting ME - you are promoting it?
At this point, I am still seeing the changes, and still finding evidence that my findings are actually happening. ME or no ME. You've only just begun to attempt to disprove my perception... So what now Gary?
 

GaryA

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At this point, I am still seeing the changes, and still finding evidence that my findings are actually happening.
Assuming for the moment that something has actually changed - how do you know it is not the non-bible documents that have changed?
 

GaryA

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Before I get to what I actually planned to start with...

I watched the video. There is a very simple and reasonable explanation.

Matthew 13:

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
1 John 2:


13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. 14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1 John 3:


12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1 John 5:


18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The speaker is sufficiently familiar with these verses/passages such that - in his mind - as he taps the white board - he "declares" that the 'wicked' (from the verse referred to on the whiteboard) is [the] "wicked one" - he knows he is tapping white space - nothing was "erased" from the whiteboard. (In the original video, does it show him writing out what is written on the whiteboard?)
 

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The people in the videos you are presenting are making off-the-cuff remembrances. They are not specifically reading scripture or anything like that. The error is in the recall - which is affected by proclivities in/of human nature. None of these "evidences" actually prove that scripture itself changed - only that someone's reference/recall remark(s) are different than what the actual verse/passage says.
 

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Before I get to what I actually planned to start with...

I watched the video. There is a very simple and reasonable explanation.

The speaker is sufficiently familiar with these verses/passages such that - in his mind - as he taps the white board - he "declares" that the 'wicked' (from the verse referred to on the whiteboard) is [the] "wicked one" - he knows he is tapping white space - nothing was "erased" from the whiteboard. (In the original video, does it show him writing out what is written on the whiteboard?)
Alrighty then, yes indeed there is always a reasonable explanation discounting the supernatural possibilities. Sure enough. But then again is this also so easily explained away?


Do you think the changing from plural from singular is a small matter if indeed this actually took place?
 

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The people in the videos you are presenting are making off-the-cuff remembrances. They are not specifically reading scripture or anything like that. The error is in the recall - which is affected by proclivities in/of human nature. None of these "evidences" actually prove that scripture itself changed - only that someone's reference/recall remark(s) are different than what the actual verse/passage says.
Are you also discounting the historic book proofs?
 

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Assuming for the moment that something has actually changed - how do you know it is not the non-bible documents that have changed?
I was waiting for this question to pop up. The Lord God, when He does something it is perfect, meaning complete. The devil, and the spirit of antichrist, not so perfect which is why we have this residue. They cannot do all nor complete IMHO...
 

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I do not want anyone here to have the wrong impression of me. I'm not a nut case by the way. Until a few years ago, I was an unsuspecting preacher/pastor who was completing my education in Biblical studies and Church history. I started noticing something odd with what I thought was my memory. It seems that I wasn't alone, many of my brethren noticed it too. This was happening because what I had hidden in my heart, didn't match what was on paper in the scriptures. I figured "Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world. (1 John 4:4) God would see me through this. And He did but with a great big surprise.

I actually believe prophecy is being fulfilled right now at this very moment. I also want you to know that Satan, and retrospectively, the spirit of antichrist are actively causing havoc on the word of God because I'm seeing the very clear signs.

No, this isn't about Bible versions. It's well beyond that. It's about the prophecy of Daniel 7:25 and also Amos 8:11-12. Over the past few days, many of you have already gotten to know me, and ask me questions while I took part in the discussions. I even started one (a thread) of my own. And I mentioned this briefly with post #57.

But here it is:

Daniel 7:25 says; "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall vex the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

Daniel 7:25 is the very key verse that tells us what’s happening to our bibles. The spirit of anti-Christ is already working in our world today. (1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.)

This verse in Daniel 7 says: “he will think to change times (that’s history) and laws (that’s the scriptures).” In other words, he’s been planning it all this time. But then the verse says “and they shall be given to his hand.” Again, in other words, the Lord God allows him to do it.

If you want to call this the Mandela Effect, you can. But this is the result of prophecy and not caused by the ME at all. As a matter of fact, if you want to use the term, then realize it was caused by the prophet word and not the other way around. As another matter of fact calling these changes the Mandela Effect is heretical because the notion was coined and popularizes by some woman who is into what I call witchcraft.

If you will give me the opportunity, I will prove to you with empirical evidence that our Bibles are indeed supernaturally change right now. But you have to give me the opportunity. It's up to you.
The only law that is a time is the Sabbath commandment and it was changed just as predicted.

Time: every seventh day Exo 20:10
Law: 4th commandment Exo 20:8-11

Changed, not by God.

The Catholic church takes credit for the change based on their authority which they claim is above God's authority that most churches followed suit instead of obeying God's commandments the way God said.


It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50


Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
—Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.


Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.
 

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The only law that is a time is the Sabbath commandment and it was changed just as predicted.

Time: every seventh day Exo 20:10
Law: 4th commandment Exo 20:8-11

Changed, not by God.

The Catholic church takes credit for the change based on their authority which they claim is above God's authority that most churches followed suit instead of obeying God's commandments the way God said.


It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50


Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
—Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.


Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.
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16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. 17 These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ