Justified by work vs faith

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Jackson123

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Did you mean 3.18 ¶For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
once for sins . I agree . Then Sin is no longer the issue .
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What do you mean the sin No longer the isssue, now keep murder and go to heaven?

Galatians 5
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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Jackson123

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who's the ' they ' in verse 21 ? Unbelievers or believers ?
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They who do murder etc. It doesn't say believer or unbeliever in that verse.

Do you believe murder ok for believer, don't need repent and still go to heaven?
 
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throughfaith

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What do you mean the sin No longer the isssue, now keep murder and go to heaven?

Galatians 5
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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We have 2 options perhaps . 1) inheritance may not be the same as heaven . Or 2)
It's describing those that are not saved , and not Christs Verse 24And they that are Christ's HAVE crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
 
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They who do murder etc. It doesn't say believer or unbeliever in that verse.

Do you believe murder ok for believer, don't need repent and still go to heaven?
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If you murdered someone as one of Christs why would repenting save you ? Was it not necessary for Jesus to come and suffer ,to die on a cross ,if all we had to do was change our mind ?
 
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1. So you believe not obidient (for Example rob the bank for living) still go to heaven as long as you born again.

2. You believe only born again able to hear the Word

What you take oN rome 10:17

Faith come from hearing

Able to hear than faith
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If you are one of those that Christ died for, your sins are forgiven, all of them. King David committed murder, adultery and lying, and I would guess that he is in heaven.
 
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What do you mean the sin No longer the isssue, now keep murder and go to heaven?

Galatians 5
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Jackson123, I am just guessing. Are your posts for the purpose of batting the hook, or are you truly trying to get someone to teach you?
 
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If you are one of those that Christ died for, your sins are forgiven, all of them. King David committed murder, adultery and lying, and I would guess that he is in heaven.
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Well Actually David was spared because of his broken and contrite heart. David saw the Holy Spirit depart from Saul ,that's why he prayed " don't take your Holy Spirit from me " . No one was ' born again in the OT . This is made possible only in the after the resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit to be sealed by the Holy spirit to Guranteed future redemption of the body ( The Adoption .Rom 8.23 )
 
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Jackson123

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1) inheritance may not be the same as heaven
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Not inherit the kingdom mean go to heaven?
throughfaith said:
It's describing those that are not saved , and not Christs Verse 24And they that are Christ's HAVE crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
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Murder etc describe unsave
Than save not murder isn't It

Or you believe save and unsave are murder?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
If you are one of those that Christ died for, your sins are forgiven, all of them. King David committed murder, adultery and lying, and I would guess that he is in heaven.
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King David repent.
Do you believe keep murder without repent go to heaven because you are Christian?

Matt 5
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Not exceed not enter the kingdom

Unsave murder not go to heaven

Christian must exceed, not only not murder but more than that, more than not murder, not murder &+ love

I don't like this verse but I am not able to change the verse

I wish I am able to change this verse into
For Christian murder, rob the bank go to heaven
 
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Jackson123, I am just guessing. Are your posts for the purpose of batting the hook, or are you truly trying to get someone to teach you?
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I am posting this subject because people in my church and some people in this forum believe murder or what ever sin not bring you to hell, and the bible say murder not inherit the kingdom

I need to know why just believe what ever in the bible.

As a sinner I like the teaching that sin is ok, only reduce my reward. But I don't think It Will happen like I wish, It Will happen like what God say in the bible
 
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Well Actually David was spared because of his broken and contrite heart. David saw the Holy Spirit depart from Saul ,that's why he prayed " don't take your Holy Spirit from me " . No one was ' born again in the OT . This is made possible only in the after the resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit to be sealed by the Holy spirit to Guranteed future redemption of the body ( The Adoption .Rom 8.23 )
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Do you believe a person that Being sea led by Holy Spirit commit murder and not repent?
 
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If you murdered someone as one of Christs why would repenting save you ? Was it not necessary for Jesus to come and suffer ,to die on a cross ,if all we had to do was change our mind ?
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I believe Jesus forgive to people whosoever believe in Him

What is believe mean
Not only believe that Jesus is God but also believe His teaching

And His teaching is to love your neighbors like youself, not all the way around, to murder your neighbors

If you not believe his teaching than you are not forgiven
 
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Jackson123

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Unsave murder need repent

Save murder don't need repent, keep killing, keep rob the bank

Than unsave have higher standart than save

It Seem Jesus say otherwise

Matt 5
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

I understand as a sinner I wish after I accept Jesus what ever sin I commit I still go to heaven

Unfortunatelly I am not God and don't have the authority to make the rule.
 
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20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of HEAVEN.

Is kingdom of heaven mean heaven?

I think so. Heaven is a kingdom, because lead by King of king
 
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Jackson123 said:
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of HEAVEN.

Is kingdom of heaven mean heaven?

I think so. Heaven is a kingdom, because lead by King of king
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Kingdom of heaven = heaven

Not enter to the kingdom of heaven mean not go to heaven
 
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Jackson123 said:
Not inherit the kingdom mean go to heaven?


Murder etc describe unsave
Than save not murder isn't It

Or you believe save and unsave are murder?
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5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,Eph 1.5 This is saying ( inspite of what Calvinists have been told by Augustine , Calvin , Edwards , pink , Sproul, piper , ect ) is A Guarentee because God has guaranteed After you believe you are predestined to certain Adoption which is ( Rom 8.23 ) the redemption of the body . This is God's promise.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Kingdom of heaven = heaven

Not enter to the kingdom of heaven mean not go to heaven
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Eph 1
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until you murder ...? no the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.( Guarenteed )
 
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Jackson123 said:
Not inherit the kingdom mean go to heaven?


Murder etc describe unsave
Than save not murder isn't It

Or you believe save and unsave are murder?
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rom 8
28¶And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Here we have Guatenteed future Adoption AFTER we believe so much so from God's perspective we are already Glorified. Its as good as done for the believer .
 
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Jackson123 said:
Not inherit the kingdom mean go to heaven?


Murder etc describe unsave
Than save not murder isn't It

Or you believe save and unsave are murder?
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Rom 8
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37¶Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Well unless you get drunk or angry? no it says NOTHING can separate. including all those things listed in Gal 5 .
 
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Jackson123 said:
Do you believe a person that Being sea led by Holy Spirit commit murder and not repent?
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No one was ' sealed ' or born again in the OT . that only happens after Jesus resurrection.
3¶Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
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