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Jesus died and resurrected so we have a SACRIFICE for sins, to purify our conscience (hebr 9). Jesus' blood forgives sins. We repent from sins and Jesus' blood cleanses us clean.
What on earth makes you believe obedience is optional under the new covenant? Makes me believe you have never even read the New Testament outside of the few verses pastors throw at you like Ephesians 2:8-9 and the famous John 3:16, completely disregarding majority of the new testament.
What on earth makes you believe obedience is optional under the new covenant? Makes me believe you have never even read the New Testament outside of the few verses pastors throw at you like Ephesians 2:8-9 and the famous John 3:16, completely disregarding majority of the new testament.
Believe = obedience.
John 3:36
John 3:16
Compare the two.
If you believe your earthly father, you will respect him and do as he says, instead of always disobeying him. By your disobedience to your earthly father you show your lack of respect and faith in him. Same for the heavenly Father. This isnt rocket science and everyone has known this since day 1, its only recently that this phenomena of easy believism popped up in lazytown America.
John 3:36
John 3:16
Compare the two.
If you believe your earthly father, you will respect him and do as he says, instead of always disobeying him. By your disobedience to your earthly father you show your lack of respect and faith in him. Same for the heavenly Father. This isnt rocket science and everyone has known this since day 1, its only recently that this phenomena of easy believism popped up in lazytown America.
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The way he is reading the Bible is he just quoted to you from John where its said if a branch doesnt produce fruit its cut off and thrown into the fire, clear as day.
Why do you think the Bible contains numerous warnings of apostasy? Because its a possibility people may fall away from the faith.
Why do you think the Bible contains numerous warnings of apostasy? Because its a possibility people may fall away from the faith.
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Except you guys dont believe they that are Christ's have actually crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts. Instead you believe they can continue in them and still be saved. Because no one is perfect yada yada bla bla
Returning to obedience does not cover for past sins, only Jesus' blood can remit sins.
Returning to obedience does not cover for past sins, only Jesus' blood can remit sins.
It Seem you not agree with Galatians 5
21.Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
What can I do? It is not my opinion, It is the binble,
If sinner like me repent than forgiven. If not repent I wish still go to heaven because I am a sinner
But that verse say No. Read It my friend and tell me why you don't believe that part of the bible.
21.Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
What can I do? It is not my opinion, It is the binble,
If sinner like me repent than forgiven. If not repent I wish still go to heaven because I am a sinner
But that verse say No. Read It my friend and tell me why you don't believe that part of the bible.
So you believe after cross It is ok for Christian keep murder without repent and go to heaven?
Galatians 5 :21 is after cross, friend
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5 :21 is after cross, friend
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Again, the words "the faith" (Gr. tês pisteôs) in this context means the apostolic faith, the New Testament apostolic body of doctrines. Some who are in a state of professing adherence to the apostolic faith, nevertheless will in both doctrine and practice depart from it, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons.
Departing from the faith would be a manifestation of unbelief. You cannot depart from the apostolic faith if you have not yet heard or had the chance to consider the truth, but that does not mean that you have to fully accept it before you can turn away from it. If I decide to walk across the Brooklyn bridge and I walk right up to it without stepping onto it, but then turn and walk away from it, does that mean I didn't turn away and depart from the bridge just because I wasn't actually on the bridge? NO.
Where did these people go in 1 John 2:19 who were among genuine believers, but were NOT OF THEM? They departed and John made it clear they were NOT OF THEM.
People depart from faith that was never firmly rooted and established from the start all the time. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers. Continuing or departing confirms either or.
Departing from the faith would be a manifestation of unbelief. You cannot depart from the apostolic faith if you have not yet heard or had the chance to consider the truth, but that does not mean that you have to fully accept it before you can turn away from it. If I decide to walk across the Brooklyn bridge and I walk right up to it without stepping onto it, but then turn and walk away from it, does that mean I didn't turn away and depart from the bridge just because I wasn't actually on the bridge? NO.
Where did these people go in 1 John 2:19 who were among genuine believers, but were NOT OF THEM? They departed and John made it clear they were NOT OF THEM.
People depart from faith that was never firmly rooted and established from the start all the time. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers. Continuing or departing confirms either or.
Believe = believe and obedience which follows = obedience. Yet choosing to believe the gospel is the act of obedience that saves (Romans 1:16; 10:16) which is not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow" believing in Christ unto salvation.
In regards to "does not obey the Son" in John 3:36 in the New American Standard translation of the Bible, this does not mean that receiving eternal life is received based on the merits of our obedience/works which "follows" believing in the Son, but obey by choosing to believe in the Son. If John wanted to make obedience the central theme in salvation here, he would have said: "He who believes and obeys the Son has eternal life," but that is not what John said. To obey the Son here is to choose to believe in the Son.
The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that "believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says "rejects the Son" and the CSB says, "refuses to believe in the Son." The Greek word translated as "believeth not" in that verse is apeitheo and it means: "not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving." Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "to disbelieve willfully and perversely." In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son.
Those who are born of God display the habit of obedience, which is a manifestation of belief and always disobeying Him would be a manifestation of unbelief. This isn't about easy believeism or hard believeism, yet salvation by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for many people to ACCEPT because they trust in works for salvation. Why the derogatory comment towards America? Are you American?
In regards to "does not obey the Son" in John 3:36 in the New American Standard translation of the Bible, this does not mean that receiving eternal life is received based on the merits of our obedience/works which "follows" believing in the Son, but obey by choosing to believe in the Son. If John wanted to make obedience the central theme in salvation here, he would have said: "He who believes and obeys the Son has eternal life," but that is not what John said. To obey the Son here is to choose to believe in the Son.
The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that "believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says "rejects the Son" and the CSB says, "refuses to believe in the Son." The Greek word translated as "believeth not" in that verse is apeitheo and it means: "not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving." Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "to disbelieve willfully and perversely." In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son.
Those who are born of God display the habit of obedience, which is a manifestation of belief and always disobeying Him would be a manifestation of unbelief. This isn't about easy believeism or hard believeism, yet salvation by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for many people to ACCEPT because they trust in works for salvation. Why the derogatory comment towards America? Are you American?
My brother, read interlinear aswell
That is I believe your interpretation for this verse
If we don't believe in God he abide faithful
You think even we murder Jesus still faithful to put us in to heaven, and If we Deny Him He not Deny us
Is that your interpretation oN verse 13?
That not what he say friend
Read from verse 12
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
If we Deny Jesus, Jesus also Deny us
Is not what ever you do , Deny Jesus and Jesus not Deny us.
That is I believe your interpretation for this verse
If we don't believe in God he abide faithful
You think even we murder Jesus still faithful to put us in to heaven, and If we Deny Him He not Deny us
Is that your interpretation oN verse 13?
That not what he say friend
Read from verse 12
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
If we Deny Jesus, Jesus also Deny us
Is not what ever you do , Deny Jesus and Jesus not Deny us.
Jesus love the world, John 3:16
Mean Jesus love all human, He expect and invite every body to believe in Him not murder, love other live God.
But Jesus never force people to believe in Hjm
Jesus doesn't like murder
Jesus have ability to make people live other not murder
Why some people doing murder
Because Jesus not forcing, He give free Will to us
Mean Jesus love all human, He expect and invite every body to believe in Him not murder, love other live God.
But Jesus never force people to believe in Hjm
Jesus doesn't like murder
Jesus have ability to make people live other not murder
Why some people doing murder
Because Jesus not forcing, He give free Will to us