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[Truth7t7]

I think it depends what you believe a marriage or a divorce is. The Bible doesn't describe exactly what constitutes a marriage or divorce aside from "becoming one flesh" for marriage and "a certificate of divorce" for divorce.

Your claim is false, Jesus Christ "clearly" gives the definition of marriage, and taught that Genesis 2:24-25 was this definition of marriage.

It also clearly describes divorce in the time of Moses as in writing, just as today.

Genesis 2:24-25KJV
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Matthew 19:3-8KJV
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

 

[Runningman]

Your claim is false, Jesus Christ "clearly" gives the definition of marriage, and taught that Genesis 2:24-25 was this definition of marriage.

Genesis 2:24-25KJV
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Matthew 19:3-8KJV
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Thanks for quoting the scripture that actually validates what I said. Marriage is becoming one flesh with someone. Divorce is writing a certificate of divorce. What about that is false?

 

[Truth7t7]

As far as I can tell, if someone says "we're divorced. Get out of my life." Then that's what a divorce is unless there is scripture showing otherwise.

You believe a verbal I divorce you is the acceptable standard, get out of my life?

You would be rudely awakened to the reality in American law of Alimony, child support, dividing accumulated wealth and property, future pensions, etc

Divorce is in legal writing, also as seen in the time of Moses

 

[Truth7t7]

Thanks for quoting the scripture that actually validates what I said. Marriage is becoming one flesh with someone. Divorce is writing a certificate of divorce. What about that is false?

Nothing is false, possibly I overlooked your argument, I humbly apoligize.

 

[CS1]

If we are to be honest, looking at someone to lust after them sexually, is tantamount to the very act of adultery.

So, if we are honest, how many married couples have either one or both people guilty of adultery in their heart?

It's impossible to say, but my guess is the majority of couples have probably saw another man or woman outside of their marriage and secretly wanted them, but would never actually pursue an extra-marital affair.

Should all of those people get a divorce? If not, why?

This is not true.

God made both the man and the women to be attractive. To be tempted with sexual sin is not a sin. Jesus was tempted in all points as man but without sin. When a man desires a women that is a good thing but self-control must rule the day.
God said in Genesis 2:24 His plan for marriage.

Gen 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be[a] joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. "

Marriage is the joining of two and becoming one. The devil perverts it. Once a couple is married desiring ones wife or Husband is not sin, nor is it anyone's business of that part of the relationship.

Christian who are married get into trouble when they allow those outside of the marriage into their bedroom. Which God says it is undefiled.

Hebrews 13:1

"Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge. "

 

[Runningman]

This is not true.

God made both the man and the women to be attractive. To be tempted with sexual sin is not a sin. Jesus was tempted in all points as man but without sin. When a man desires a women that is a good thing but self-control must rule the day.
God said in Genesis 2:24 His plan for marriage.

Gen 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be[a] joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. "

Marriage is the joining of two and becoming one. The devil perverts it. Once a couple is married desiring ones wife or Husband is not sin, nor is it anyone's business of that part of the relationship.

Christian who are married get into trouble when they allow those outside of the marriage into their bedroom. Which God says it is undefiled.

Hebrews 13:1

"Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge. "

Go back and read what Jesus says concerning adultery in the heart. You cannot hold a double standard regarding literal physical adultery and spiritual adultery and expect to be taken seriously.

 

[Runningman]

This is not true.

God made both the man and the women to be attractive. To be tempted with sexual sin is not a sin. Jesus was tempted in all points as man but without sin. When a man desires a women that is a good thing but self-control must rule the day.
God said in Genesis 2:24 His plan for marriage.

Gen 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be[a] joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. "

Marriage is the joining of two and becoming one. The devil perverts it. Once a couple is married desiring ones wife or Husband is not sin, nor is it anyone's business of that part of the relationship.

Christian who are married get into trouble when they allow those outside of the marriage into their bedroom. Which God says it is undefiled.

Hebrews 13:1

"Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge. "

Also, you can't quote a verse that describes what a Christian marriage ceremony should be. It doesn't exist.

I believe in sola scriptura. Do you? The bar someone has to meet to be married is to move in with the opposite sex, away from their parents, then "become one flesh" or in other words just have sexual intercourse.

The bar to meet for divorce is a "certificate of divorce."

Jesus said adultery is a reason for divorce. Jesus also says that adultery can happen just by having the desire for it. If you look at someone the wrong way with the wrong desires you committed adultery and there's no way around it.

Divorce over porn or spiritual adultery is permissable or Jesus wouldn't have said it.

I'll just stick with what the Bible says on this one and I recommend you do too.

 

[CS1]

Go back and read what Jesus says concerning adultery in the heart. You cannot hold a double standard regarding literal physical adultery and spiritual adultery and expect to be taken seriously.

I have and you need to read it is again.

Jesus saidin Matthew 5:28
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


looking at a women and being attracted to a women is not sin. LUST is the context in your heart is the sin.

 

[CS1]

Also, you can't quote a verse that describes what a Christian marriage ceremony should be. It doesn't exist.

I believe in sola scriptura. Do you? The bar someone has to meet to be married is to move in with the opposite sex, away from their parents, then "become one flesh" or in other words just have sexual intercourse.

The bar to meet for divorce is a "certificate of divorce."

Jesus said adultery is a reason for divorce. Jesus also says that adultery can happen just by having the desire for it. If you look at someone the wrong way with the wrong desires you committed adultery and there's no way around it.

Divorce over porn or spiritual adultery is permissable or Jesus wouldn't have said it.

I'll just stick with what the Bible says on this one and I recommend you do too.

you are wrong just because the word "ceremony" is not used doesn't mean there was not one. The Context of everything in marriage

Testifies to it. Ester, the 10 virgins Jesus who is known as the Bride Groom we are the bride. So to say thee is no importance or celebration or ceremony of marriage the Bible says differnt.

 

[CS1]

Also, you can't quote a verse that describes what a Christian marriage ceremony should be. It doesn't exist.

I believe in sola scriptura. Do you? The bar someone has to meet to be married is to move in with the opposite sex, away from their parents, then "become one flesh" or in other words just have sexual intercourse.

The bar to meet for divorce is a "certificate of divorce."

Jesus said adultery is a reason for divorce. Jesus also says that adultery can happen just by having the desire for it. If you look at someone the wrong way with the wrong desires you committed adultery and there's no way around it.

Divorce over porn or spiritual adultery is permissable or Jesus wouldn't have said it.

I'll just stick with what the Bible says on this one and I recommend you do too.

all marriage is as God intended it. One man and one women.

 

[CS1]

LOL ZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZz

I love the Biblical refute I think you should start with A before you go to Z LOL.

 

[CS1]

I am hoping to find an answer to the question that bothers me since I divorced my husband after 22 years. I walked out and left him after he broke me down so bad mentally and physically I was afraid of his rages since he had beat me in the past . The last blow was him getting angry at me when we went on vacation and did not have a plan as to what we would do. The next year he cut me off finachially from accounts, I made as much as him. My family disowned me over being jealous (narcissist) . I had no where to turn was afraid to tell anyone what was going on behind closed doors for fears the next outrage with him would be way worse. I found a way to hide money from withholding in my check to another account without him knowing. A year later I packed up and moved out with all I could take while he was at work. He told me I would have to be the one to file the divorce, I agreed really did not have the Christian background on what the bible said. He was engaged and married within 3 yrs after we divorced. He said by me divorcing him, it gave him no other choice but to remarry . I left him. My question is - is he right about him being able to remarry since I filed and left him.

Guard your heart. And don't get caught up with those here who failed in marriage and have anger and unforgiveness.

Which is the root cause for divorce Unforgiveness. it happen to very godly Christians and the devil does enjoy it much.


IF the church did more to support marriage instead of the legalistic attack we would see an increase in marriage being saved and restored. What God has joined together let nothing come between that Nothing:

not:

• in-laws
• mother in-laws
• friends
• church folk
• another women or man

 

[Tararose]

To covet another mans wife, with lustful thoughts spiritual adultery, and this sin can be removed through a repentant heart, and erased

Physical, literal, adultery, is to actually be married to another mans wife, and actually having sexual relations

This sin can be removed through divorce from the woman that isnt the lawful wife, and repentance.

As is clearly seen, two completely different scenarios

deut 24

When a man takes a wife and marries her, if then she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, and she departs out of his house, 2and if she goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3and the latter man hates her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter man dies, who took her to be his wife, 4then her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination before the LORD.

Moses may only have PERMITTED DIVORCE, but after one spouse has remarried, to reconcile with them is not only NOT PERMITTED even by Moses, but an ABOMINATION BEFORE THE LORD, not a form of repentance!

 

[Truth7t7]

deut 24

When a man takes a wife and marries her, if then she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, and she departs out of his house, 2and if she goes and becomes another man’s wife, 3and the latter man hates her and writes her a certificate of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter man dies, who took her to be his wife, 4then her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination before the LORD.

Moses may only have PERMITTED DIVORCE, but after one spouse has remarried, to reconcile with them is not only NOT PERMITTED even by Moses, but an ABOMINATION BEFORE THE LORD, not a form of repentance!

The Law Of Moses Stated The Woman Was To Die By Stoning, Jesus forgave her Sin?

John 8:4-11KJV
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

then her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination before the LORD.

Moses may only have PERMITTED DIVORCE, but after one spouse has remarried, to reconcile with them is not only NOT PERMITTED even by Moses, but an ABOMINATION BEFORE THE LORD, not a form of repentance!

Agreed. If the OT says returning to the former husband is an abomination, I don't see how returning to the former husband can also be seen as a form of repentance.

 

[Truth7t7]

Go back and read what Jesus says concerning adultery in the heart. You cannot hold a double standard regarding literal physical adultery and spiritual adultery and expect to be taken seriously.

To be tempted isnt sin, nor the natural desire, but at what point does lust conceive as seen in James below?

A look of wow shes hot 5 seconds, conceived sin?

A look of wow she's hot 30 seconds?

Matthew 5:27-28KJV
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

James 1:12-15KJV
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[Truth7t7]

Agreed. If the OT says returning to the former husband is an abomination, I don't see how returning to the former husband can also be seen as a form of repentance.

The law of Moses has been replaced by the shed blood upon Calvary in the new covenant, circumcision, clean and unclean meats are examples?

The woman caught in adultery by the pharisees is a prime example, the law of Moses gave the death penalty by stoning, Jesus forgave the woman?

A woman that has an abortion is guilty of death, an eye for an eye, but Jesus will forgive the sin from a repentant heart (Erased), it's that simple

 

[TheIndianGirl]

The law of Moses has been replaced by the shed blood upon Calvary in the new covenant, circumcision, clean and unclean meats are examples?

The woman caught in adultery by the pharisees is a prime example, the law of Moses gave the death penalty by stoning, Jesus forgave the woman?

A woman that has an abortion is guilty of death, an eye for an eye, but Jesus will forgive the sin from a repentant heart (Erased), it's that simple

Woman caught in adultery is a bad example. Adultery is still a sin in the OT and NT; it is not okay in the NT. You are saying that marrying former spouse is an abomination in the OT, but not in the NT?

 

[Tararose]

The Law Of Moses Stated The Woman Was To Die By Stoning, Jesus forgave her Sin?

John 8:4-11KJV
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

You cannot claim Jesus broke the law surely? or encouraged anyone else to for that matter!

1 John 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

No He did not - could not- break the law, NOT even as an act of mercy.
He could not have been our sin offering, for a Jew to break a command of God is for a JEW TO SIN!

John 8 v 46
Which one of you convicts me of sin? (IE. BREAKING THE LAW)

Rather the phrases brought her for the specific purpose of TRICKING Jesus using the law.

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.

If he had said stone her, how was it a trick? What would they gain if he agreed with them?
Remember these were the supposed teachers and keepers of the law, they knew full well the requirements of such a law and they knew how to how to twist the law of God for their purposes. If it was so black and white in law, why did they expect him to fall at such a question?

The law demanded not that THE WOMAN caught IN THE ACT should be stoned to death - but that the man and the woman be stoned to death. As ever there must be evidence for the law to call someone guilty.... where was that man she committed the act with?
They did not bring him.

Deut 22
22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die

Jesus knew full well there that to stone her on her own was not the command.
The law always required evidence for the death penalty.
The evidence for the woman being caught in the act was not presented, only an accusation was presented.

WHERE WAS THE MAN SHE WAS CAUGHT WITH?

To say let her go, the phrases would have made him seem as if he was breaking the law, and if he said stone her, the pharasees would have said he was unrighteous to be willing to stone a woman on her own, without demanding they brought forth the man she committed adultery with as the law commanded.

They presented No evidence, no man was brought, so he was under no obligation by law to stone her. He broke no law. He was wise enough not to bother challenging them as he knew their motives, so simply put the matter of being a sinner on the table to reveal their hearts.

It is better to know the whole law than half of it, so that we can better understand why Jesus did and said what He did, living as a JEW UNDER LAW and speaking to JEWS UNDER LAW.

 

[Tararose]

The law of Moses has been replaced by the shed blood upon Calvary in the new covenant, circumcision, clean and unclean meats are examples?

The woman caught in adultery by the pharisees is a prime example, the law of Moses gave the death penalty by stoning, Jesus forgave the woman?

A woman that has an abortion is guilty of death, an eye for an eye, but Jesus will forgive the sin from a repentant heart (Erased), it's that simple

You argue yourself out of an arguement.
A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives BY LAW
Romans 7 v 2
For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him.

Pauls use of the law is not him making a point that we must abide by law.
It is the opposite He is using it in a paragraph to explain to a believer they are actually no longer under THE LAW.

Romans 7:6
But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Please make up your mind. You are seem to be tossed around like a rag doll with your theology here.
Are you saying believers under law or not?
Or are only married people STILL bound for life by law,
(oh hang on, but not that bit of the law that says they can remarry, and not that bit of the law that states they MUST NOT return to a former spouse if they do?)