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Now you have a responsibility to all here, and that is to show where anyone has even hinted that grace is earned in any manner by one who has been saved by the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh. I know I have not said this ever, for without grace, my attempts at pleasing the Father in obeying Him are futile. I obey Him, and when I do falter, He tells me all is well because I love His Lamb as my Savior.
Please stop telling people they are going to hell. That is what you are saying when you judge anyone as not saved, and this is quite wrong. Remember with the judgment you mete out, you will be judged. You are judging yourself I believe, only the Father knows. I do know I can forgive you, but I do not have authority over much of anything today, perhaps tomorrow, but not today.
Please stop telling people they are going to hell. That is what you are saying when you judge anyone as not saved, and this is quite wrong. Remember with the judgment you mete out, you will be judged. You are judging yourself I believe, only the Father knows. I do know I can forgive you, but I do not have authority over much of anything today, perhaps tomorrow, but not today.
There are things that you say that I would totally agree with, but I heartily disagree that the law is obsolete. If the New Testament clearly says to die daily we still need the tool God has given us to do so. The cross our Lord and Savior died on is a clear representation of the law of condemnation. If the law is obsolete, how are we to witness the necessity of salvation to those who are lost if we ourselves don't know the tool that is to be used or reject it.
Luke 9:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
1 Corinthians 15:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
Not only are we to die daily via the education of the law even though we are not under it, it is clear that the law is a God-given tool to bring us to Christ. How are we supposed to fulfill the great commission if we cannot minister this concept to people who are still under it and not born again? The unsaved will see no reason for real what they need to be saved from. That's why we have so many false conversions nowadays.
Matthew 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Luke 9:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
1 Corinthians 15:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
Not only are we to die daily via the education of the law even though we are not under it, it is clear that the law is a God-given tool to bring us to Christ. How are we supposed to fulfill the great commission if we cannot minister this concept to people who are still under it and not born again? The unsaved will see no reason for real what they need to be saved from. That's why we have so many false conversions nowadays.
Matthew 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
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Nope.
You have continually heard me say, Those who have true faith WILL OBEY GOD. Will Not Live in sin. Will be seen by the world as having been changed.
Those who believe in easy believism, or a licentious gospel are just as guilty and unsaved as those trying to earn it.
I say it over and over, but you REFUSE to acknowledge it, instead you say I reject the law here on earth. Which is a LIE!
You have continually heard me say, Those who have true faith WILL OBEY GOD. Will Not Live in sin. Will be seen by the world as having been changed.
Those who believe in easy believism, or a licentious gospel are just as guilty and unsaved as those trying to earn it.
I say it over and over, but you REFUSE to acknowledge it, instead you say I reject the law here on earth. Which is a LIE!
I may only understand from your valiant declaration that you reject the teachings in the post of Christ's teaching above in favor of what you are in agreement with others upon in its place. This is a very sad way to believe the Word. It is as though you are voting, and the majority is over ruling the teachings of Yeshua, Jesus Christ. I will not continully repost His teachings since they are continually ignored.
If you wish to deny the post of His teachings, show me which it is you deny, one denied would be all.
If you wish to deny the post of His teachings, show me which it is you deny, one denied would be all.
Listen,, bub,, I beleive in JESUS!!!!!!! If I didn't have any faith in Jesus,, I wouldnt call on His Name!!!!!!
I beleive Jesus is the Messiah,,, and you know we alll Do!!!!!!! Yet you still sit here like a TOS (tool of Satan) and claim I do not know Jesus????
You need to come out of the closet. It's obvious that everybody here believes in Jesus as their messiah!! But you continaully tell us that isn't good enough,, we must also abandon Gods Commandments,,, You are working for Satan,, not God.
I beleive Jesus is the Messiah,,, and you know we alll Do!!!!!!! Yet you still sit here like a TOS (tool of Satan) and claim I do not know Jesus????
You need to come out of the closet. It's obvious that everybody here believes in Jesus as their messiah!! But you continaully tell us that isn't good enough,, we must also abandon Gods Commandments,,, You are working for Satan,, not God.
Once more you are putting words and concepts into posts which have more than adequately responded to your odd declarations.
You continually use "we" as the pronoun describing who is purporting these unqualified teachings, unqualified by our Lord, Yeshua, Jesus. Because you freely use the first person plural, you are saying in effect those who do not agree with you are not saved, and not saved people are going to hell, ergo you are saying exactly that. Do not add outright lies to your blatant accusations and condemnation.
Now, once more, I have never stated grace can be earned, it is the free gift by the Blood of Yeshua, the Lamb of Yahweh.
How can anyone truly be seen as grateful for this by the Father if he declares the Blood of the Lamb gives license to sin?
Sin is breaking the law.
All of the law hangs on the two great laws of love, and the prophets.
Are the prophets void because you have license to sin? Of course not, nor are the laws, not the commandments that is.
It is ridiculous on your part and on the part of any others to think that the ceremonial laws, statutes and ordinances are even feasible to be followed in this day and age.
When I speak of obeying the laws, I speak of the commandments of Yahweh, none of which should be a burnden to anyone, yet so many say we cannot follow the Ten.
How is this possible for the new nature of Yeshua we have put on?
These are words of discouragement and failure, and not of the Lord.
You continually use "we" as the pronoun describing who is purporting these unqualified teachings, unqualified by our Lord, Yeshua, Jesus. Because you freely use the first person plural, you are saying in effect those who do not agree with you are not saved, and not saved people are going to hell, ergo you are saying exactly that. Do not add outright lies to your blatant accusations and condemnation.
Now, once more, I have never stated grace can be earned, it is the free gift by the Blood of Yeshua, the Lamb of Yahweh.
How can anyone truly be seen as grateful for this by the Father if he declares the Blood of the Lamb gives license to sin?
Sin is breaking the law.
All of the law hangs on the two great laws of love, and the prophets.
Are the prophets void because you have license to sin? Of course not, nor are the laws, not the commandments that is.
It is ridiculous on your part and on the part of any others to think that the ceremonial laws, statutes and ordinances are even feasible to be followed in this day and age.
When I speak of obeying the laws, I speak of the commandments of Yahweh, none of which should be a burnden to anyone, yet so many say we cannot follow the Ten.
How is this possible for the new nature of Yeshua we have put on?
These are words of discouragement and failure, and not of the Lord.
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We are judged by the Light we recieve. If Jesus has confirmed to you that we you are to keep the 4th Commandment and you refuse,, Do you suppose God will be mocked and still reward you with eternal Life?
If you have been keeping sunday, and that is the day you believe that you should keep,, then God shall judge you according to your heart. But if you know better, and reject the Counsel & Instruction from God concerning His 4th Commandment,, why do you expect Eternal Life and to hear the words, "Well done good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of the Lord."??
Loving God and our neighbor really isn't just a New Testament commandment. No New testament writings are totally void of not repeating what was written in the old Testament in order to educate those who trusted in Christ Jesus. Even Jesus Christ cited the Old Testament concerning love.
Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
This was a LAW. Those of us who do not recognize love as a law given to Moses should reconsider this opposition to the law. It is still good. I submit another commandment in the Old Testament.
Deuteronomy 6:4-9 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
This was a LAW. Those of us who do not recognize love as a law given to Moses should reconsider this opposition to the law. It is still good. I submit another commandment in the Old Testament.
Deuteronomy 6:4-9 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
I don't deny any of it. That is a false accusation made against those who realize that our righteousness is not realized through observation of the 10 commandments. Righteousness is a gift within that teaches us which way to go.
What I and others do deny is the need to focus on the 10 commandments. IMO, the people who feel a need to do that are those who don't hear the voice of righteousness in their hearts instructing them how to conduct themselves.
What I and others do deny is the need to focus on the 10 commandments. IMO, the people who feel a need to do that are those who don't hear the voice of righteousness in their hearts instructing them how to conduct themselves.
people who have deceived themselves into thinking
they actually 'keep' or live by or obey the Law to God's satisfaction (seamlessly, without a single transgression)
are the ones who have downgraded the Law to the level of their performance.
which by default downgrades the Lord Jesus' perfection and sinlessness.
people who know their hopeless condition under the Law have a very high regard for the Law.
and for Jesus.
they actually 'keep' or live by or obey the Law to God's satisfaction (seamlessly, without a single transgression)
are the ones who have downgraded the Law to the level of their performance.
which by default downgrades the Lord Jesus' perfection and sinlessness.
people who know their hopeless condition under the Law have a very high regard for the Law.
and for Jesus.
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Listen yourself. I do not know if you know Jesus or not. I know you claim to know him. But how can I say yes or no when you do not answer any questions??
Lol. The demons believe also. So did the jews who were trying to add law to grace, Yet paul made it clear, they only knew him by name, not by experience.
Again I ask. prove you are not trying to earn grace.. I have yet to see it. All I hear is you demanding commands (law) is essential for salvation.
Is this correct or not?
So. You did not answer either of my questions. All you did was once again attack. why is that? are my questions to hard?
Lol. The demons believe also. So did the jews who were trying to add law to grace, Yet paul made it clear, they only knew him by name, not by experience.
Again I ask. prove you are not trying to earn grace.. I have yet to see it. All I hear is you demanding commands (law) is essential for salvation.
Is this correct or not?
So. You did not answer either of my questions. All you did was once again attack. why is that? are my questions to hard?