What are you having issues with? What this man says or what the word says?
I would posit to you that these questions are beyond the scope of any one of us "fully". We aren't greater than the enemy by ourselves, so it seems quite simple to put forth arguments and "logic" that is beyond us, or at least causes more consternation than it is worth at present until the mystery of God is finished and faith is sight. We are quite limited in the scope of what we can grasp regarding the infinite, as well as what "secret knowledge" is present.
To some it would seem that the Lord makes mistakes I presume. Since that is not scriptural, you have to make a choice to simply exercise faith. Believing on the Lord and what is laid out in the written word is all you can really do. I've seen many people go for the logic angles but the result is just "not enough for me".
I could counter a lot of these logical pitfalls with what I believe the Lord has sown into me through my own questioning but there will be always be something that sets itself up against the Lord until every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord. Some new thing to wrap your mind around, to try and "prove things". Logic will only take you so far and so since the written word that anyone (new and old man alike) does not speak to these things any private revelation (I feel) will not assist anyone "really".
Humanistic knowledge and wisdom sets itself up against knowledge and wisdom of the Lord. That is logical to me based off my understanding of scripture. So it seems futile to discuss anything that "goes beyond what is written". It seems to me that a lot of believers do this unintentionally (with good motivation most times probably) but this is where I only enter a conversation when someone is actually thirsty and is hung up on something in their mind. I will say that the Lord meets me quite often in the mental sphere with things like that...and I have many counters, but they are personal. Perhaps if you seek him in this area privately it will yield fruit?
My motivation is usually the first thing I look at when pursuing things like this privately. When it's "just because" or I can't narrow it to anything productive or "reasonable" I usually don't get anywhere. If it's to help others, "how" would that help others? Sure you see it on TV, but how many people get hung up on stuff like this? Surely there are some, I think that's the point. The sheep know the shepherds voice and a stranger they will not follow. They may be led astray, and that is something I believe we can help with, but if they are following someone else other than Jesus, they probably aren't sheep.
Do you have any good reason for the pursuit? Plenty of "preachers" go FAR from the permissible pasture of the Lord and so their motivations for bringing these things up in such a fashion is dubious at best.
I would posit to you that these questions are beyond the scope of any one of us "fully". We aren't greater than the enemy by ourselves, so it seems quite simple to put forth arguments and "logic" that is beyond us, or at least causes more consternation than it is worth at present until the mystery of God is finished and faith is sight. We are quite limited in the scope of what we can grasp regarding the infinite, as well as what "secret knowledge" is present.
To some it would seem that the Lord makes mistakes I presume. Since that is not scriptural, you have to make a choice to simply exercise faith. Believing on the Lord and what is laid out in the written word is all you can really do. I've seen many people go for the logic angles but the result is just "not enough for me".
I could counter a lot of these logical pitfalls with what I believe the Lord has sown into me through my own questioning but there will be always be something that sets itself up against the Lord until every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord. Some new thing to wrap your mind around, to try and "prove things". Logic will only take you so far and so since the written word that anyone (new and old man alike) does not speak to these things any private revelation (I feel) will not assist anyone "really".
Humanistic knowledge and wisdom sets itself up against knowledge and wisdom of the Lord. That is logical to me based off my understanding of scripture. So it seems futile to discuss anything that "goes beyond what is written". It seems to me that a lot of believers do this unintentionally (with good motivation most times probably) but this is where I only enter a conversation when someone is actually thirsty and is hung up on something in their mind. I will say that the Lord meets me quite often in the mental sphere with things like that...and I have many counters, but they are personal. Perhaps if you seek him in this area privately it will yield fruit?
My motivation is usually the first thing I look at when pursuing things like this privately. When it's "just because" or I can't narrow it to anything productive or "reasonable" I usually don't get anywhere. If it's to help others, "how" would that help others? Sure you see it on TV, but how many people get hung up on stuff like this? Surely there are some, I think that's the point. The sheep know the shepherds voice and a stranger they will not follow. They may be led astray, and that is something I believe we can help with, but if they are following someone else other than Jesus, they probably aren't sheep.
Do you have any good reason for the pursuit? Plenty of "preachers" go FAR from the permissible pasture of the Lord and so their motivations for bringing these things up in such a fashion is dubious at best.
I posted the thread because this claim Kenneth Copeland made, which is complete blashemy and no man of God can make such claims. So even though by standard and measure I could see why Kenneth made the claim, I proposed to refute the claim. Hence what I came up with.. but that only spiraled even further.
Adam. If Adam was given free will and it was Gods plan to allow Adam to sin. Knowing He would sin, God is all knowing, He knew us before the foundation of the earth, He is the author of our lives, and everything must go through God only Gods plans will prevail.. that being said, lead me to believe God knew Adam would sin and He allowed it to happen.
Im trying to see if anyone else has insight to this debate. I know you said you dont have the answer but thank you for responding.