King James authorized bible vs the rest of other bibles

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Jason, I am in a loss for words seeing your ambition. It is unremarkable, being self promotion that drives it or what ever drives it. Keep the push on!
I do have other things to do outside this website.
 
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In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth............that is pure
And who gets to decide what is pure and not pure? You?

Let God be true and every man be a liar.
 
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And who gets to decide what is pure and not pure? You?

Let God be true and every man be a liar.
Who gets to decide what is pure and not pure?

Let every man prove himself to be a liar.
 
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I would call myself an OSAS person. I don't see what the fuss is about walk after the Spirit, especially seeing as Paul uses that phrase later anyway.
No. It does not specifically mention the "Condemnation" (which is also mentioned in John 3:19-21). And no other verse states that you must walk after the Spirit in Christ Jesus to not be under the "Condemnation." Which of course refutes OSAS.
 
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Romans 8:1 is good example of details. Many Modern Versions delete " walk after the Spirit."
This destroys the whole thrust of Paul's argument in Romans 7.
A translate does not 'delete'. It translates what is there.
 
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I have often wondered and considered If the true word of God is presented in Hebrew and Greek. Then why doesn't He give us understanding of the Hebrew and Greek. I meant if it was that important then all believers should now these languages. Instead He gave us the KJV which is close enough that God is satisfied with it.
On what basis are you declaring that God gave us the KJV an he is satisfied with it?
 
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A translate does not 'delete'. It translates what is there.
There are thousands of missing words in various translations compared to the KJV. Somewhere down the line in the past somebody eliminated something.
 
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In 157AD apprx. There existed the Latin Static Bible. This also went by the name of "Vulgate", which means "Common Bible."

This Bible existed long before the Roman Catholic religion had created the Vaticanus or their version of the Latin Vulgate.

The Preserved Word of God in English, Part 2
You are not making any sense. The Vulgate was created by the Catholic Church, mostly translated by Jerome in the 4th Century. There is no "Vaticanus" bible. Prior to the Vulgate, there were Old Latin bibles, also created by the Catholic Church.
 
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Re: Where is the Proof for the KJV Spoof?

and not one shred of evidence for the KJV being the perfect Word of God.
Especially since you cannot perfectly translate a language.
 
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There are thousands of missing words in various translations compared to the KJV. Somewhere down the line in the past somebody eliminated something.
No, the KJV has additional phrases because it relies on manuscripts that had marginal notes added into them. I do not believe there are 'thousands' of additions though, much smaller than that.
 

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No. It does not specifically mention the "Condemnation" (which is also mentioned in John 3:19-21). And no other verse states that you must walk after the Spirit in Christ Jesus to not be under the "Condemnation." Which of course refutes OSAS.
The basis of the no condemnation is being in Christ Jesus. And the text goes on to indicate that the no condemnation is absolute. Who is he who condemns, Jason?
 

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Originally Posted by Jason0047


In 157AD apprx. There existed the Latin Static Bible. This also went by the name of "Vulgate", which means "Common Bible."

This Bible existed long before the Roman Catholic religion had created the Vaticanus or their version of the Latin Vulgate.
What is your proof for all that Jason?
 
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Pretty much everything in his statement was wrong on nonsensical.
 

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There is no 'Latin static bible'.
Last, you've got it all wrong.
It is actually the Latino static Bible.
If you bring it into a room with your radio speaking English,
suddenly the Latino static Bible will cause the radio to emit static with
Spanish sounding through and La Cucaracha playing in the background.
 
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Pretty sure God does not want us to lie.
Who is God? You act like you met him. You are sure you know God? You are sure you are not trying to make Jesus God because you have trouble figuring out who God really is?
 
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I'm not going to get into an argument about Joram/Jehoram, because it's actually not relevant. All that matters is that 2 Kings 8:25 clearly says it is talking about Ahaziah of Judah, son of Jehoram. It is that Ahaziah that is being spoken of, who reigned in Jerusalem two and twenty years, according to 2 Kings.

In 2 Chron 22:1:2, it again spells out that it is talking about Ahaziah son of Jehoram king of Judah, this time with the number of forty and two.

It is actually not relevant whether you think the Ahaziah of 2 Kings 8:24 is a different Ahaziah on the basis of the differing names of Jehoram/Joram. The fact is, both accounts clearly spell out which Ahaziah (if there was more than one in Judah) they are talking about, and it is in that context that the numbers appear to differ.

As a side note, while there is obviously an Ahaziah of Israel (son of Ahab, 1 Kings 22), it is not the same Ahaziah spoken of in 2 Kings 8:24. The fact that 8:24 is clearly speaking of a King of Judah, given the discussion of a burial in the city of David (Jerusalem), is enough to settle that point. Joram of Israel did not beget Ahaziah of Israel, and I challenge you to find a verse that unambiguously says so. Instead, Ahaziah King of Israel died, was succeeded by his brother Jehoram/Joram(2 Kings 1), who then was killed by his general Jehu in order to end the line of Ahab (2 Kings 9), an episode Ahaziah of Judah was involved in, being himself killed by Jehu but then buried in Jerusalem (2 Kings 9:28-29). Jehu then became King of Israel, with Ahaziah of Judah's mother becoming regent until his son took the throne.

In other words, 2 Kings 8:24 is speaking of Ahaziah of Judah (even though which Ahaziah is being spoken of there is irrelevant). 8:25 is clearly speaking of Ahaziah of Judah. There are two Ahaziahs mentioned in 2 Kings, but only one is spoken of in 8:24, and it is the same one spoken of in 2 Chron 22:1-2.

All of that to say.... find a better solution :)
2Ki 8:24 And Joram slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David: and Ahaziah his son reigned in his stead.
2Ki 8:25 In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign.
2Ki 8:26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.


Verse 24 Joram died THEN his son Ahaziah (1) reigned.
Verse 25 In the twelfth year of Joram, Ahaziah (2) son of Jehoram reigned.
Verse 26 Ahaziah (?) began to reign at 22 years old. Both Ahaziah's were talked about previous to this verse. So which Ahaziah is verse 26 talking about? 2 Chronicles gives the answer, it was Ahaziah (2) the son of Jehoram wo was 42 years old when he began to reign. Verse 26 has to be Ahaziah (1).