KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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graceNpeace

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I don’t it’s bound to any version but whatever version it is, it won’t have mistakes. I see that in the KJV. I see people not liking word choices in the KJV but I’ve never seen an error in the KJV.
And the question needs to be raised again - how would you know???
This is a TECHNICAL question that requires knowledge of the original languages, including Latin in the case of the KJV, as well knowledge of how to translate languages!
By your own admission you have ZERO qualifications to draw such a conclusion.

In fact you have preferred taking the route of deliberate ignorance in order to continue making hopelessly unjustifiable claims....

I think that you just need to own up to the reality that you are not in a position to make dogmatic claims about the apparent "inspiration" and "inerrancy" of the KJV!
 
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Why do you think the word of God is bound only to King James English?
Here's one reason.

Micah 5:2 King James Version (KJV)

2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


Micah 5:2 New International Version (NIV)

2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

 
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Many of the marginal notes reveal thousands of instances in which the KJV translators were forced to interpret as part of their translation work. The KJV translators were not always certain that they had made the correct interpretation, and hence the marginal note. In the preface of the 1611 they explained that we should not dogmatize on the basis of their interpretation:

"…it hath pleased God in his divine providence, here and there to scatter words and sentences of that difficulty and doubtfulness, not in doctrinal points that concern salvation, (for in such it hath been vouched that the Scriptures are plain) but in matters of less moment … in such a case, doth not a margin do well to admonish the Reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily? … They that are wise, had rather have their judments at libery in differences of readings, then to be captivated to one, when it may be the other. "


An exhaustive listing of the marginal notes of the 1611 edition of the King James Bible


In honor of the 400th anniversary of the Authorized Version 1611-2011

These marginal notes are available in scans and published reprints of the 1611, but we believe that listing them all together and in modern spelling makes it much easier to study the notes in depth, or to do quick visual scans. The digital text of the notes allows for keyword searches, among other advantages

An exhaustive listing of the marginal notes of the 1611 edition of the King James Bible | Literatura Bautista




I hope you realize that anyone who translates the bible has to interpret.... the question should be did God lead the translators in their interpretation or was it of their own accord.
 
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That's what it was originally penned in.

If I write 'car' in English, if its translated into another language properly, it needs to be 'car' in that language for it to remain true.

Pascha mean Passover, not Easter.
You're missing the point, Easter and passover mean exactly the same thing. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
 
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So typos are okay? God inspired the KJV translators to include typos in His word?

#sureHedid

:rolleyes:
You never heard me say typesetters were inspired. :confused:
I'm amazed that you condemn the KJV for typos but poudly swallow a bible that says Jesus Christ has an origin.
 
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I notice that you address the speculative portion of my post and don't respond to the meat of it. No Greek word/s for "fulfilled Passover" means "Easter" is the wrong word. Period. Case closed.
Circular reasoning - the "originals" didn't use a seperate word for Passover after fulfilment hence there was no such word.
 
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And the question needs to be raised again - how would you know???
This is a TECHNICAL question that requires knowledge of the original languages, including Latin in the case of the KJV, as well knowledge of how to translate languages!
By your own admission you have ZERO qualifications to draw such a conclusion.

In fact you have preferred taking the route of deliberate ignorance in order to continue making hopelessly unjustifiable claims....

I think that you just need to own up to the reality that you are not in a position to make dogmatic claims about the apparent "inspiration" and "inerrancy" of the KJV!
You haven't proven any errors in the KJV, all you have proven is that you don't like the word choices the translators made. Show me a real error like Jesus the morning star fell from heaven or Joshua gives us our rest or Jesus had an origin... until then I'm going to assume that God is true and every man is a liar.
 

graceNpeace

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Here's one reason.

Micah 5:2 King James Version (KJV)

2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


Micah 5:2 New International Version (NIV)

2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

This ONLY shows a difference in wording between two translations!
It DOES NOT prove your claim that the KJV is with out error, or inspired.
This is ESPECIALLY so, since you cannot compare to the manuscripts to check if ANY of the translators got it right!

Your approach here is hopelessly ILLOGICAL!
 
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This ONLY shows a difference in wording between two translations!
It DOES NOT prove your claim that the KJV is with out error, or inspired.
This is ESPECIALLY so, since you cannot compare to the manuscripts to check if ANY of the translators got it right!

Your approach here is hopelessly ILLOGICAL!
Maybe you could point out where Jesus has an origin in the KJV.
 

graceNpeace

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You haven't proven any errors in the KJV, all you have proven is that you don't like the word choices the translators made. Show me a real error like Jesus the morning star fell from heaven or Joshua gives us our rest or Jesus had an origin... until then I'm going to assume that God is true and every man is a liar.
It is not for me to prove anything!
YOU are the one making unprovable claims of inspiration and inerrancy for the KJV...
The burden of proof is SQUARELY on YOU!
 
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It is not for me to prove anything!
YOU are the one making unprovable claims of inspiration and inerrancy for the KJV...
The burden of proof is SQUARELY on YOU!
There's no burden on me whatsoever, I'm giving you what I beleive... You're trying to tear down my belief. If you want me to change my stance then it's going to take more than typos and words that you don't like.
 

graceNpeace

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I thought you said the two version said the same thing? No?
Are you still trying to twist my words...please!!
I said "This ONLY shows a difference in wording between two translations!"
I never made a comment about MEANING!
Until you know EXACTLY what the original language manuscripts said all one can say is the wording is different!
 
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Are you still trying to twist my words...please!!
I said "This ONLY shows a difference in wording between two translations!"
I never made a comment about MEANING!
Until you know EXACTLY what the original language manuscripts said all one can say is the wording is different!
Ok then show me where the KJV says Jesus had an origin. I'm going to show you exacly where the NIV says Jesus had on origin.

Micah 5:2 New International Version (NIV)

2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans[a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

 

Dino246

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You're missing the point, Easter and passover mean exactly the same thing. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
No, they don't. Easter is both the modern secularized holiday and the Christianese term for the death, burial and resurrection. Passover is the memorial of the slaughter of the lambs and the blood on the doorposts so the Destroyer would "pass over" the dwelling. Ask any Jew if they mean the same thing.

Circular reasoning - the "originals" didn't use a seperate word for Passover after fulfilment hence there was no such word.
Precisely! So there is no justification for the KJV translators using "Easter". By the way, mine wasn't circular reasoning. I encourage you to read up on it.

Back at you. I'm can't believe anyone would believe that no bible is inspired.
If you're implying that of me, it's incorrect. I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God. I don't hold that any translation of the Bible is inspired. BIG difference.