KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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John146

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I thought you believe that the KJV is a work of God? So, now, translations are a work of men?

If you say that only the KJV is a work of God and the rest of translations are a work of men, its like saying only Mt is inspired and Luke got it wrong.
Nope. God is the author of Matthew and Luke. God is the author of the KJV as He preserved His words in the English language. Any other version is man's work and is corrupt.
 

trofimus

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Nope. God is the author of Matthew and Luke. God is the author of the KJV as He preserved His words in the English language. Any other version is man's work and is corrupt.
Tell me, if Mark, written for Romans, could have just 16 chapters, i.e. 8 chapters dropped out compared to the version for Jews or Greeks, why do you panic so much if some new translations have one sentence here or there removed or added?

What are you so afraid of? Remember, Romans were supposed to have just 16 chapters of gospel!
 

MarcR

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Obviously, they all can't be the word of God since they all contain different words and different truths. God cannot contradict Himself.

I don't get my theology from the thoughts of man in the preface of the KJV, but from the words contained within. Because they did not claim God's hand in translating the Scripture does this mean that God could not be or was not in control of their commission? For the answer we must look to the Bible, our final authority in all matters of faith and practice.

When John the Baptist was accosted by the Levites in John chapter one and asked if he was Elijah (John 1:21) he answered that he was not Elijah. Yet in Matthew chapters 11:7-14 and 17:10-13 Jesus Christ plainly stated that John was Elijah. Did John the Baptist lie? No. Did Jesus Christ lie? Of course not. The answer is very simply that John was Elijah but he didn't know it! Thus we see from our Bible example that a man can have God working through him and not know it. Likewise, God could easily have divinely directed the King James translators without their active knowledge.


they all can't be the word of God since they all contain different words and different truths. God cannot contradict Himself.

God tends to speak to Israel, and to other nations according to their actions and behaviors. Hence His words are often different.

If you mean that individual verses often are translated slightly differently; that occurs because words often have different meanings and different shades of meaning and translators choose among those meanings without departing from the Hebrew or Greek text. If that were not the case, there would be no reason for new translations.
 

MarcR

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I notice that many posters refuse to answer questions asked of them.

Do you believe God’s love is unconditional?

Show me the example of God’s love for all who reject Christ, who refuse to believe the gospel?

Was it God’s love that brought his vengeance upon the Jewish nation that rejected Jesus Christ?

Will God love them that despise the blood of Jesus offered for salvation unto all who believe the gospel?
Will God love a man that forsakes faith in Christ and treads on the blood of Jesus.

God have his only begotten Son, that’s how much he loves you.
But God doesn’t love such that he winks at sinners who refuse to repent.

Nobody on CC is obliged to respond to any post or any participant. Many may decide that your nonsense isn't worth the time it takes to respond. I often feel that way myself.
 
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Nobody on CC is obliged to respond to any post or any participant. Many may decide that your nonsense isn't worth the time it takes to respond. I often feel that way myself.
Some posters work and haven't had time to respond.
 
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IMO, the corruption you speak of is not in any Bibles; it is in your head!
Then why do you feel the need to correct them with lexicons that YOU HAVE ADMITTED ARE FALLIBLE!
 
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I notice that many posters refuse to answer questions asked of them.

Do you believe God’s love is unconditional?

Show me the example of God’s love for all who reject Christ, who refuse to believe the gospel?

Was it God’s love that brought his vengeance upon the Jewish nation that rejected Jesus Christ?

Will God love them that despise the blood of Jesus offered for salvation unto all who believe the gospel?
Will God love a man that forsakes faith in Christ and treads on the blood of Jesus.

God have his only begotten Son, that’s how much he loves you.
But God doesn’t love such that he winks at sinners who refuse to repent.
Considering "you have been answered" most likely multiple times "what would be the point"?
when you are simply going to"pretend" someone didn't answer,which by the way is called "Trolling".
 

trofimus

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This is the only requirement for being born again that I know of.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Maybe you know of some verses that tie being born again to salvation.
Peter was obviously not talking about the 1611/1789 KJV, right? In the time of Peter some books were not even written yet.

So, this verse really cannot be used for the KJV onlyism. Peter is talking about something else than a perfect and complete Biblical canon print.
 

MarcR

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Then why do you feel the need to correct them with lexicons that YOU HAVE ADMITTED ARE FALLIBLE!

I don't set about correcting Bible versions. I try to correct what I believe is a false claim regarding unique inspiration of the KJV. If you stop attacking other versions, I will not need to show that the KJV has similar problems. It certainly is NOT my favorite way to spend my time.
 
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I don't set about correcting Bible versions. I try to correct what I believe is a false claim regarding unique inspiration of the KJV. If you stop attacking other versions, I will not need to show that the KJV has similar problems. It certainly is NOT my favorite way to spend my time.
You have rendered Luke 1:3 in a manner not found in any bible that I know of; therefore, you have corrected them all! Which bible contains the word "above" in Luke 1:3?

“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:6)
 
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Peter was obviously not talking about the 1611/1789 KJV, right? In the time of Peter some books were not even written yet.

So, this verse really cannot be used for the KJV onlyism. Peter is talking about something else than a perfect and complete Biblical canon print.
Of course not lol. :)
The KJV is only one of a long line and list of incorruptible seed. The word of the Lord to the prophets would be the first I guess, then the Old Testament.
 

trofimus

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Of course not lol. :)
The KJV is only one of a long line and list of incorruptible seed. The word of the Lord to the prophets would be the first I guess, then the Old Testament.
So it does not have to be complete? One biblical book, for example, is enough, the main thing is that it has to be "incorruptible" and perfect print?

I am just trying to get what you believe in.
 

MarcR

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You have rendered Luke 1:3 in a manner not found in any bible that I know of; therefore, you have corrected them all! Which bible contains the word "above" in Luke 1:3?

“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:6)
What I did in Luk 1:1-3 was to parse the Greek. That is not even a translation. My parsing of the Greek was lexically accurate. I was attempting to show that what the 'translators of the KJV did with those 3 verses was worse than poor translation; it was NOT translation. For several words, they completely departed from the Greek text, not even using the same part of speech. The versions you cited agreed with my parsing except for 1 controversial word. That is not bad for someone with 1 full semester and 1 Summer term of Greek learned more than 40 years ago..
 
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So it does not have to be complete? One biblical book, for example, is enough, the main thing is that it has to be "incorruptible" and perfect print?

I am just trying to get what you believe in.
The Old Testament is complete an it contains the full gospel, it's just harder to see in the Old Testament. Nothing new, at least nothing new that I know of came about with the New Testament.

All the New Testament did was reveal the hidden things of the Old Testament.... same with the KJV, all it did was make the original writings more understandable.
 
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If I missed anybodies posts over the last few hours I appologize, please give me a post number if you want me to address something I missed.... too many posts for check right now.
 

trofimus

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The Old Testament is complete an it contains the full gospel, it's just harder to see in the Old Testament. Nothing new, at least nothing new that I know of came about with the New Testament.

All the New Testament did was reveal the hidden things of the Old Testament.... same with the KJV, all it did was make the original writings more understandable.
If there is such a graduation, why do you believe that we must use 400 years old translation instead of a new one, more understandable?
 

trofimus

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If I missed anybodies posts over the last few hours I appologize, please give me a post number if you want me to address something I missed.... too many posts for check right now.
#604 and #626

Begotten before time etc and poor blessed in Spirit/spirit.
 
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If there is such a graduation, why do you believe that we must use 400 years old translation instead of a new one, more understandable?
Because as far as I can tell God hasn't updated since the KJV.
 

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Nobody on CC is obliged to respond to any post or any participant. Many may decide that your nonsense isn't worth the time it takes to respond. I often feel that way myself.
OH! I thought we were supposed to reply and say "No comment", to build up our post count....
 

trofimus

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Because as far as I can tell God hasn't updated since the KJV.
If you do not care about what originals say or what Greek manuscript say regarding the KJV readings, why do you care what the KJV says regarding the NIV readings?

As the KJV was a "new inspiration" for you, NIV can be "a new inspiration" too, 400 years later.

Why the double standard?