KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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Lucy-Pevensie

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James37, I do not know you personally, so I agree that its just my opinion and I can be totally wrong.

I am just saying how it seems to me.

You, the KJVO guys, are fighting so sharply against other translations, calling them occult, corrupt, antichrist etc.

But the reality is, that I do not know any occultist propagating Message, I do not know any antichrist (muslim or judaistic Jew or buddhist) propagating NIV, I do not know any sectarian saying "read only ESV"...

On the other hand:
a) whenever some Flat Earth proponent comes... yes, he is reading the KJV.
b) whenever some Hollow Earth proponent comes, yes, its the KJV.
c) whenever somebody needs to attack Christians because they read "new translations" - yes, a KJV reader.
d) whenever somebody "discover number patterns", yes, a KJV reader.
e) whenever somebody comes with some strange doctrine about God or Christ, its mostly a KJV reader.
f) whenever somebody says we are not saved because we use wrong Bible - yes, a KJV reader.

So, you cannot be surprised that we are looking for connections why it is so. It cannot be a mere coincidence.

It's my opinion as well Trofy. I've stated previously their is a spiritual stronghold at the root of this movement. A power base that does not want to be disturbed. ((400 years of tradition!)) is the cry.

If it quacks like a duck.........
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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God chose the King James Version 400 years ago,
The leading English language Bible.

Bible liberalism may be the death of the ignorant.
High Knowledge Method!
- 1 Corinthians 1:27 (KJV)
- 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (KJV)
Neither one of these scriptures back up your claim.


Are you declaring that those of us who read a modern translation are going to hell?
 

trofimus

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Neither one of these scriptures back up your claim.


Are you declaring that those of us who read a modern translation are going to hell?
They probably do not understand the English of the KJV, thats why it is so easy for them to use any verse they like to support everything they want :)
 
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What makes you think that satan was not at work in the development and translation of the KJV just as much as with newer translations?
Forensics... look at the forensic evidence of any bible and see who's fingerprints and signature are on the bible.

Here's the occult Christ:
A) A created being.
B) A son of the gods - a mix between the gods (Zeus, Hercules, fallen angels) and human women.
C) Works righteousness - ascend to perfection.

This is just a view of the more easily seen characteristics. I don't see this Jesus in the KJV. I don't see occult phraseology like "as above so below"... no matter what the meaning, it's occult terminology.

I've said many times that God's fingerprints are all over the KJV. The same is true in the other translations, "a son of the gods" fingerprints are all over them.
 
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It is an occult axiom and has no place in the Bible! Blavatsky used that exact phrase in the 1800s in Isis unveiled. Albert Pike used it in Morals and Dogma in the same century. You need to figure out whose side you are on! A christian didn't insert the phrase into the Message Bible...an occultist did!
Again you're talking about things most people on this forum have no knowledge of... don't get me wrong, I think we should show people this stuff. But keep in mind this is like a shock to their system because their view of "scholarship" is that these guys are "good guys" just trying to do their best to help people. They can't fathom that there could be a concerted effort to change the Jesus of the bible into the Mythras, Horus etc that they serve and are trying to convert the whole world to.
 
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It may not be you at all. ( I was just noticing your user name.) There was a fellow who was recently making posts about the number 37 and the KJV with loads of calculations.
Are you aware of how God uses numbers in the bible?
 
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James37, I do not know you personally, so I agree that its just my opinion and I can be totally wrong.
That is a fact and wrong you are.

I am just saying how it seems to me.
In other words everything that follows will contain zero facts.

You, the KJVO guys, are fighting so sharply against other translations, calling them occult, corrupt, antichrist etc.
This is a blanket statement that is not universally true. If I say all you modern bible version guys are fighting so sharply to defend all modern bible translations would that be a true statement? (Message Bible, New World Translation, etc.)

But the reality is, that I do not know any occultist propagating Message, I do not know any antichrist (muslim or judaistic Jew or buddhist) propagating NIV, I do not know any sectarian saying "read only ESV"...
Maybe you are just uniformed. There is a lot I do not know but “whenever somebody” points out that “as above so below” is of the occult and has no business being in the Lord’s Prayer they are attacked. Surely those in the modern bible camp have to draw a line somewhere. Can anything be allowed to go just for the sake of argument?

On the other hand:
a) whenever some Flat Earth proponent comes... yes, he is reading the KJV.
b) whenever some Hollow Earth proponent comes, yes, its the KJV.
c) whenever somebody needs to attack Christians because they read "new translations" - yes, a KJV reader.
d) whenever somebody "discover number patterns", yes, a KJV reader.
e) whenever somebody comes with some strange doctrine about God or Christ, its mostly a KJV reader.
f) whenever somebody says we are not saved because we use wrong Bible - yes, a KJV reader.
Does the fact that the New World Translation agrees with most of the modern translations concerning 1 John 5:7 prove that they are all like it?

d) whenever somebody "discover number patterns", yes, a KJV reader.
This is a true statement because they only exist in the King James Bible (and Hebrew and Greek manuscripts) but if I start posting examples in this thread I will get in trouble for spamming. I have and continue to post examples for anyone to examine so feel free to prove that they do not exist.

So, you cannot be surprised that we are looking for connections why it is so. It cannot be a mere coincidence.
Should I be surprised that when I said you and the occult were in agreement you concurred? Maybe you should slow down and think before you post and pick your battles more wisely. You probably did not mean it but you were blindly defending the Message Bible just for the sake of argument and not the truth.
 
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I think you are just bored by the actual text of the KJV (because its hard to read and understand) and therefore your boredom encourages you to seek for "hidden" things in the text.
None of the numbers are hidden, you see the patterns as you read. 9 years to give birth to a child, 9 fruits of the spirit, Sahrah was 90 and 9 when she gave birth to Isaac... none of that is hidden, nor is it "hidden meaning", it's just part of the bible just like the words are part of the bible.
 

trofimus

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None of the numbers are hidden, you see the patterns as you read. 9 years to give birth to a child, 9 fruits of the spirit, Sahrah was 90 and 9 when she gave birth to Isaac... none of that is hidden, nor is it "hidden meaning", it's just part of the bible just like the words are part of the bible.
Have you already accepted the Christian view of Trinity? ;-)

Then, I would concentrate on some numbers...
 
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Have you already accepted the Christian view of Trinity? ;-)

Then, I would concentrate on some numbers...
Here is a question for you trofimus. Why did Elisha have Naaman dip in the Jordan river 7 times?
 

trofimus

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Here is a question for you trofimus. Why did Elisha have Naaman dip in the Jordan river 7 times?

Seven times.—“Because seven was significant of the Divine covenant with Israel, and the cure depended on that covenant; or to stamp the cure as a Divine work, for seven is the signature of the works of God” (Keil). In the Assyrian monuments there is an almost exact parallel to the above method of seeking a cure. It occurs among the so-called exorcisms, and belongs to the age of Sargon of Agadê (Accad), before 2200 B.C. Merodach is represented as asking his father Hea how to cure a sick man. Hea replies that the sick man must go and bathe in the sacred waters at the mouth of the Euphrates. It thus appears that in bidding Naaman bathe seven times in the Jordan, Elisha acted in accordance with ancient Semitic belief as to the healing virtue of running streams.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

Is your life more Christian like now?
 
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Have you already accepted the Christian view of Trinity? ;-)

Then, I would concentrate on some numbers...
When did I say I didn't believe in the trinity? For the record I do believe in the godhead, I just don't believe Christ had an origin.
 

trofimus

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When did I say I didn't believe in the trinity? For the record I do believe in the godhead, I just don't believe Christ had an origin.
Both Christian creeds and Bible say that the Son was beggoten of the Father before all ages :)
 
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for seven is the signature of the works of God” (Keil).
Do you agree with the above statement statement?

There is a much more elegant bible answer had you simply studied the number 7 in the Bible and quoted those verses. Why run to a commentary for an answer that is not found in the Bible?
 
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Is your life more Christian like now?
The words of men do not make someone more christian like but let me help you get started. In the 7th chapter of the Bible we read:

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." (Genesis 7:2)

Perhaps there is a connection between the number 7 and something that is considered clean. Was Naaman made clean from his leprosy?
 
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trofimus

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The words of men do not make someone more christian like but let me help you get started. In the 7th chapter of the Bible we read:

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." (Genesis 7:2)

Perhaps there is a connection between the number 7 and something that is considered clean. Was Naaman made clean from his leprosy?
There was no 7th chapter in the times of Eliah. And there was no Bible.

Canon was closed much later. And chapters division was added even more later.
 
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There was no 7th chapter in the times of Eliah. And there was no Bible.

Canon was closed much later. And chapters division was added even more later.
And God did not command Noah to take clean beasts onto the ark by "sevens" which is the main point?

"For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth." (Genesis 7:4)

Was not God preparing to cleanse the earth of wickedness?
 
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This is a true statement because they only exist in the King James Bible (and Hebrew and Greek manuscripts) but if I start posting examples in this thread I will get in trouble for spamming. I have and continue to post examples for anyone to examine so feel free to prove that they do not exist.
The number patterns you refer to... have you demonstrated that they exist only in the KJV and not in other translations? Have you demonstrated that the same patterns exist in the original languages? If not "yes" to both, you're overextending yourself and speaking non-truths.

Nobody needs to prove that the patterns don't exist; that is another attempt at a burden-of-proof reversal. I'm surprised you haven't learned this yet, given the number of times I've called you on it.

You have made the assertions; you step up with the evidence.