King Solomon and the Proverbs

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Hevosmies

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#21
it doesn't say, God appoints some kings but not others.. ??

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
(Romans 13:1)
Precisely this verse is the reason I believe all kings are appointed by God. despite the fact that we have "elections" in many countries.
There is also a verse in Daniel that says almost the same thing.
 

Nehemiah6

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#22
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained* of God. (Romans 13:1)
*Strong's Concordance (5021)
tassó: to draw up in order, arrange
Original Word: τάσσω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: tassó
Phonetic Spelling: (tas'-so)
Definition: to draw up in order, arrange
Usage: (a) I assign, arrange, (b) I determine; mid: I appoint.


""Higher powers" = the powers that be" = rulers or governments

So what that verse is saying is that earthly rulers and governments are appointed by God to exist and to rule, so that every nation is under some kind of law and order and this is God's will. But that does not mean that God picks evil rulers to take control. That would violate the character of God.

Proverbs 29:2 - When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
 

JaumeJ

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#23
I know that no one is in power unless God allows it...……….

Regarding our being instructed to obey authority, this was in order to live peacefully with them.

Also the command to obey those in authority in the Law can only be referenced to the Priesthood for the law was in the first Israel, and it referred to the leaders of Israel at that time, wich was a theocracy........... That law did and does not apply to world leaders.
 

Hevosmies

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*Strong's Concordance (5021)
tassó: to draw up in order, arrange
Original Word: τάσσω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: tassó
Phonetic Spelling: (tas'-so)
Definition: to draw up in order, arrange
Usage: (a) I assign, arrange, (b) I determine; mid: I appoint.


""Higher powers" = the powers that be" = rulers or governments

So what that verse is saying is that earthly rulers and governments are appointed by God to exist and to rule, so that every nation is under some kind of law and order and this is God's will. But that does not mean that God picks evil rulers to take control. That would violate the character of God.

Proverbs 29:2 - When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
This is a great explanation! Thanks again brother Nehemiah
 

posthuman

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*Strong's Concordance (5021)
tassó: to draw up in order, arrange
Original Word: τάσσω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: tassó
Phonetic Spelling: (tas'-so)
Definition: to draw up in order, arrange
Usage: (a) I assign, arrange, (b) I determine; mid: I appoint.


""Higher powers" = the powers that be" = rulers or governments

So what that verse is saying is that earthly rulers and governments are appointed by God to exist and to rule, so that every nation is under some kind of law and order and this is God's will. But that does not mean that God picks evil rulers to take control. That would violate the character of God.

Proverbs 29:2 - When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
if God desires people to repent why would you consider it out of His character to bring about mourning over wickedness?

the concordance entry you provided confirms that He is the one who arranges, assigns, appoints and determines authorities, doesn't it?
 

posthuman

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if God desires people to repent why would you consider it out of His character to bring about mourning over wickedness?

the concordance entry you provided confirms that He is the one who arranges, assigns, appoints and determines authorities, doesn't it?
if i take Romans 13 to mean that God just in an abstract way determines that some kind of human government must exist, why does Paul command that we should subject ourselves to it? and Paul wrote this while Nero was caesar!
if what you're saying is correct, shouldn't the scripture say, determine for yourselves whether a king is righteous or not, and if he's not, do not respect his authority?


why doesn't Jesus tell Pilate that he has no authority at all? instead He tells him that he wouldn't have any authority except that heaven grants it to him. that does not seem to me to fit the picture you are painting, bro.
 

JaumeJ

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Even Paul, when he was taken captive in Jerusalem spoke back to the one in authority , he though politically authorized, but when he was made aware it was the High Priest that year, he apologized for breaking the law of respecting authority for it applied to the theocracy not to political authority.

Later in the epistles we are told to obey and respect the authority of those in power in order tokeep the peace……….whenever it is correct we alld do obey the authorities.
 

Hevosmies

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#30
... erhm.... Leibniz... erhm...:whistle:

:D
Tell me what he says.
Im not gonna read through all his writings, i know nothing of the man. Im too lazy to do that, lucky for me, you have done all my research for me :)
 

trofimus

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Tell me what he says.
Im not gonna read through all his writings, i know nothing of the man. Im too lazy to do that, lucky for me, you have done all my research for me :)
Oh man, I do not know where to start.

Short answer will not explain anything and long answer is too exhausting to compose :)
 

posthuman

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#32
Tell me what he says.
Im not gonna read through all his writings, i know nothing of the man. Im too lazy to do that, lucky for me, you have done all my research for me :)
((quoting from Wolfram Mathworld))

The Leibniz harmonic triangle is the number triangle given by



(OEIS A003506), where each fraction is the sum of numbers below it and the initial and final entries in the
th row are given by
.

The terms are given by the recurrences






and explicitly by






where
is a binomial coefficient.
 

posthuman

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*caveat*

i might have the wrong Leibniz in mind . . .


i don't exactly want to be corrected if i do, btw
 

posthuman

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Or why anything at all exists :)
Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics suggests that it's 'because' of an observer . .

hmm who could observe the entire universe? :D
 

trofimus

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Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics suggests that it's 'because' of an observer . .

hmm who could observe the entire universe? :D
Which corresponds with Leibniz' idea of monads. If world knows it is observed, it must have perceptions.

On the other hand, the simulation theory is also possible. We must realize that the Universe is created from nothing. From nothing nothing comes so it is not suprising that on the micro levels, the reality disapears.
 

JaumeJ

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Dan 3:28 Nebuchadnezzar spoke up and announced: 'Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego! He sent his angel to deliver his servants who trusted in him. They disobeyed the king's command and were willing to risk their lives in order not to serve or worship any god except their own God.
 

JaumeJ

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#37
Tell me what he says.
Im not gonna read through all his writings, i know nothing of the man. Im too lazy to do that, lucky for me, you have done all my research for me :)
Totally related:
Dan 3:28 Nebuchadnezzar spoke up and announced: 'Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego! He sent his angel to deliver his servants who trusted in him. They disobeyed the king's command and were willing to risk their lives in order not to serve or worship any god except their own God.