Knowing God personally

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NayborBear

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Some say that the most important thing about a person is what they think of when they think of God ....I have a very vague concept of God - even though I have been walking with Him for many years.

Man is created in HIS image! However, man does strive to "force" God into a box! You have emotions n feelings? So does God! How would your girlfriend "feel", if all the time you were telling her, how much you liked her and liked spending time with her, you were thinking about fishing, or golfing, or football, er whatever? She would probably notice it, and think you were not so genuine, eh? And? You could possibly "entice" her, or "sell" her on plans and intentions, yada, yada, yada. But God? He sees! He knows what yer up to, before you are even aware, in many cases, what you are up to! YUGE difference, between "flattering", and "honoring."
 
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Mooky

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Man is created in HIS image! However, man does strive to "force" God into a box! You have emotions n feelings? So does God! How would your girlfriend "feel", if all the time you were telling her, how much you liked her and liked spending time with her, you were thinking about fishing, or golfing, or football, er whatever? She would probably notice it, and think you were not so genuine, eh? And? You could possibly "entice" her, or "sell" her on plans and intentions, yada, yada, yada. But God? He sees! He knows what yer up to, before you are even aware, in many cases, what you are up to! YUGE difference, between "flattering", and "honoring."
What are you trying to say exactly?
 

BenFTW

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Hey Mooky. God's whole plan of reconciliation was to bring you back to Himself, right? He wants to fellowship with you, spend time with you. So God's word says that when we pray to believe that we will receive what we ask for, especially it is the case that He hears our petitions if it be His will. Well, it is His will for you to know His voice, you are one of His sheep and He is your Shepherd. Knowing this is His will, make a prayer.

Ask the Lord, tell Him that you wish to know Him personally. Knowing this is His will you can be confident it has been heard and granted. Then with joyful expectation you can look forward to that fellowship. God speaks in a number of ways, it isn't always the same for everyone. Discern how He speaks to you, personally. Even pray about that, ask Him to reveal to you how He speaks to you. He is faithful and good to answer these prayers.
 

BillG

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Anyway.Thanks for the suggestions.From the answers received I conclude that we accept His presence by faith, that it takes time to cultivate a relationship with Him and that we won't always sense Him with us but we know that we are being looked out for because we have provisions and are kept safe from danger.:)
Yes we have to accept it by faith.

If we relied on our emotions we would be all over the place, well at least I would.

Its often said “don’t let feelings dictate faith, let your faith dictate your feelings then your feelings will come into line with what is the truth”
 

Crustyone

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I am not sure that it is important, how we think of God, unless it helps us get closer to Him. I got closer to Him earlier, not knowing how to think of Him. Lately I've come to think of Him as a power divided into small particles of love, scattered over the universe, but all connected, like the triune God is connected. He is in the highest heavens. Job 22:12 [FONT=&quot]“Is not God in the heights of heaven? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And see how lofty are the highest stars!. He is also within us. 1 John 4:12 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]No one has ever seen God;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. There is no time that He is not with or within us as Christians and no time that He is not aware of what is happening or what will happen to anyone or anything. When we think of how much Christ suffered for us, the foreknowledge of what He would go through as well as the pain and humiliation of the beatings and the hanging on the cross, we should have no doubt of a love much greater than ours, as great as we may feel our love is.

The only way I know to up the ante would be to keep telling others of His love, regardless of how many dismiss you. The few that accept Him will make you glad and strengthen your ties to Him.

Love to you from a Crustyone.[/FONT]
 
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Mooky

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I am not sure that it is important, how we think of God, unless it helps us get closer to Him. I got closer to Him earlier, not knowing how to think of Him. Lately I've come to think of Him as a power divided into small particles of love, scattered over the universe, but all connected, like the triune God is connected. He is in the highest heavens. Job 22:12 [FONT=&quot]“Is not God in the heights of heaven? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]And see how lofty are the highest stars!. He is also within us. 1 John 4:12 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]No one has ever seen God;[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. There is no time that He is not with or within us as Christians and no time that He is not aware of what is happening or what will happen to anyone or anything. When we think of how much Christ suffered for us, the foreknowledge of what He would go through as well as the pain and humiliation of the beatings and the hanging on the cross, we should have no doubt of a love much greater than ours, as great as we may feel our love is.

The only way I know to up the ante would be to keep telling others of His love, regardless of how many dismiss you. The few that accept Him will make you glad and strengthen your ties to Him.

Love to you from a Crustyone.[/FONT]
Thank you, brother.That is helpful.:)
 

Zmouth

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When I think of God I think of the eternal One from whom the LORD, the Holy Ghost, is the only begotten and who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.

Some say that the most important thing about a person is what they think of when they think of God ....I have a very vague concept of God - even though I have been walking with Him for many years.
That is why I have faith in that which is written "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father." because as the "Father hath life in himself, he gave His Son to have life in himself" therefore as written 1 John 1:5, "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: Matt 10:27
 

BenFTW

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What are you trying to say exactly?
Its often referred to as "lip service." We say we want to know God personally, not just intellectually but do we seek Him? It may be that our heart says we want these things, and it is sincere, but are we just giving lip service? Are we putting our money where our mouth is (as the saying goes)? Faith without works is dead, so in the case of hearing God are we actually praying, waiting upon the Lord, closing our eyes in silence to "hear" Him (maybe audibly, still small voice, a vision, or just visually through images)?

Some like to start it off by getting into His presence, one easy way is to get into worship. Play music, worship music, and just praise the Lord until you start worshipping from the heart. Often times there is an experience here, a sensation that most often people describe as "tingles." This one believes is the Lord's presence. One time I felt the Lord wanted me to pray for this man sitting on a bench at a Christian conference and when I turn towards him and started approaching him I felt as if I walked into a rainfall of this presence (I was encapsulated in it). I believe He did that to confirm I was walking in His will in that moment.

Back to the point, basically, lets not just give the Lord lip service. Let us be more than words and put action behind them. Let us walk as we started in this faith, by faith. Walking in full expectation and trust in the Lord. Why? Because He is faithful and knowing this, we can count on Him. So seek Him, and you will find Him. Draw near, and He will draw near. For this reason, you can rejoice! :)
 

OneFaith

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Just wondering how I can know God personally instead of knowing about ​Him?
The more you know about Him, the more you know Him, and the more you read the Word, the more you can see His personality- not just in the matters of right and wrong. But also, as you pray to Him, and see His responses to your prayers, and to your behavior, you get to know Him even more personally. But also, as you think on things which are above (instead of earthly things), if you only imagine what must be true, you gain relationship by hugging Him, looking into His eyes, walking with Him, talking with Him.

And if your imagination only allows Him to say things that the Bible already does, then it is more personal than just reading words on a paper. You can imagine He is right there walking with you day to day- because He is, you just can't see Him. So using your imagination to 'see' what is already true, and opening your heart and mind to His presence, increases the bond between you and God. It's like having a dad (so I've heard, I never actually had a dad or a grandpa). "He is a father to the fatherless."
 
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Mooky

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Its often referred to as "lip service." We say we want to know God personally, not just intellectually but do we seek Him? It may be that our heart says we want these things, and it is sincere, but are we just giving lip service? Are we putting our money where our mouth is (as the saying goes)? Faith without works is dead, so in the case of hearing God are we actually praying, waiting upon the Lord, closing our eyes in silence to "hear" Him (maybe audibly, still small voice, a vision, or just visually through images)?

Some like to start it off by getting into His presence, one easy way is to get into worship. Play music, worship music, and just praise the Lord until you start worshipping from the heart. Often times there is an experience here, a sensation that most often people describe as "tingles." This one believes is the Lord's presence. One time I felt the Lord wanted me to pray for this man sitting on a bench at a Christian conference and when I turn towards him and started approaching him I felt as if I walked into a rainfall of this presence (I was encapsulated in it). I believe He did that to confirm I was walking in His will in that moment.

Back to the point, basically, lets not just give the Lord lip service. Let us be more than words and put action behind them. Let us walk as we started in this faith, by faith. Walking in full expectation and trust in the Lord. Why? Because He is faithful and knowing this, we can count on Him. So seek Him, and you will find Him. Draw near, and He will draw near. For this reason, you can rejoice! :)
Agreed.But I assure you that my walk is genuine and I don't need Mr Naybor projecting his issues on me.Perhaps he would do well to examine himself first.
 

BillG

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Man is created in HIS image! However, man does strive to "force" God into a box! You have emotions n feelings? So does God! How would your girlfriend "feel", if all the time you were telling her, how much you liked her and liked spending time with her, you were thinking about fishing, or golfing, or football, er whatever? She would probably notice it, and think you were not so genuine, eh? And? You could possibly "entice" her, or "sell" her on plans and intentions, yada, yada, yada. But God? He sees! He knows what yer up to, before you are even aware, in many cases, what you are up to! YUGE difference, between "flattering", and "honoring."
Hi, not really sure what you are trying to say here and how it helps the poster.
Maybe you could expand.

Yes God does have emotions and feelings.
But his emotions and feelings are constant unlike ours.

Does he love us one day and not the next, no he does not. His love is constant.
Does he reject us one day and the not the next, no he does not. His acceptance is continual.
Will he forgive us one day and not the next, no he won’t. We are forgiven of our sins on account of Jesus.
Will he reprove us, yes he will all the time. That’s because he loves his children.

However are we the same? A resounding NO.

One thing God does is look at the heart.
If it’s one that seeks after him, that is a heart he will never reject.

We need to understand that a persons relationship with God is affected by life’s experiences, hurt, pain, trauma and yes sin.

With regard to sin it will affect our relationship, normally as a result of guilt. Yet God tells us there is no condemnation for those in Jesus.

However God is faithful to forgive us of our sins. To me to confess them is to restore the relationship and thank him for his forgiveness, when we do so then that’s so liberating, a relationship restored, then we know him.

If we do not he will in his way and in his time chastise us. When that happens as hard as it is we realise it’s for our benefit. Then we know him.

With regards to life experiences this also affects our relationship with God and knowing him.

My quick experiences are as follows.

Never knew my father, only 2 memories.
1st one is him breaking into our house, beating my mum up, through a punch which missed and broke my nose.
Then the police breaking in and beating him to pulp.

2nd my step father giving him a hideing. The step father who hated me as well.

Then my mum through me out at 14.
She didn’t like me either, 14 years of beatings and verbal and emotional abuse.
She fell pregnant by my dad. Very shameful as she was from a Muslim family. Therefore she was the black sheep of the family, therefore so was I.

I was fostered by a Christian couple.
The next 4 years I was being sexually abused by my foster dad.

Its no wonder I could not accept God as a loving Father yet let alone relate to him?

Healing is needed and lies need to be replaced with thruth. It takes time.

When I used to play golf I spent time with God on the golf course.
Mainly saying “Sorry” for when I sliced a shot.
At times he would remind me when I remembered to forget a shot when I put it on the score card.
Cant play Now due to arthritis in the knees.

God is with me when I am in the car, he reminds me when someone cuts me that the middle finger raised is not appropriate, or the name I just called them isn’t either. I know find myself praying for protection.

Thats why I know and feel God.

Yes he does know what we are going to do before we do it.
He also knows the difference between honouring and flattering.
If he knows our heart is one that seeks after given all our faults and it affects our walk with him from our side, that he can work with.

We as brothers and sisters in Christ should walk with each other and bear with one another.
Building each other up in Christ and the love of the Father.
 

BenFTW

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Agreed.But I assure you that my walk is genuine and I don't need Mr Naybor projecting his issues on me.Perhaps he would do well to examine himself first.
No doubt about that, why else would you be seeking the answer to this question? :)
 

BillG

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Its often referred to as "lip service." We say we want to know God personally, not just intellectually but do we seek Him? It may be that our heart says we want these things, and it is sincere, but are we just giving lip service? Are we putting our money where our mouth is (as the saying goes)? Faith without works is dead, so in the case of hearing God are we actually praying, waiting upon the Lord, closing our eyes in silence to "hear" Him (maybe audibly, still small voice, a vision, or just visually through images)?

Some like to start it off by getting into His presence, one easy way is to get into worship. Play music, worship music, and just praise the Lord until you start worshipping from the heart. Often times there is an experience here, a sensation that most often people describe as "tingles." This one believes is the Lord's presence. One time I felt the Lord wanted me to pray for this man sitting on a bench at a Christian conference and when I turn towards him and started approaching him I felt as if I walked into a rainfall of this presence (I was encapsulated in it). I believe He did that to confirm I was walking in His will in that moment.

Back to the point, basically, lets not just give the Lord lip service. Let us be more than words and put action behind them. Let us walk as we started in this faith, by faith. Walking in full expectation and trust in the Lord. Why? Because He is faithful and knowing this, we can count on Him. So seek Him, and you will find Him. Draw near, and He will draw near. For this reason, you can rejoice! :)
Would you not say though that If a heart is sincere, then one that cries out to God in fact not lip service?
But a heart that is reaching out to know him and be like him.

I had a severe gambling problem. Hated it with a passion.
Prayed so much over 39 years for help “Please take away my gambling”
The guilt and pain I was going through was real. I even contemplated suicide. Shocking for a married man with 4 kids.

To me it wasn’t lip service, it was a genuine crying out to God for release from this addiction.

Praise God for the last 7 years and I have not even had an inclination to gamble.

What resolved the issue?

God had to deal with the issues that caused me to gamble. When I was willing to listen and allow him to heal me, the issues that caused gambling then I was set free from the chains.

There will be a cause for the effect.
When the cause is dealt with then the effect will fall by the wayside.

You mention works without faith is dead. Yes this is true.
Please let’s be sure we don’t confuse what that means.

I fell foul of that, work harder, promise to be good, don’t drink don’t smoke then maybe just maybe God will love me and help me.

Wrong way of thinking about it.
 

BenFTW

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Would you not say though that If a heart is sincere, then one that cries out to God in fact not lip service?
But a heart that is reaching out to know him and be like him.

I had a severe gambling problem. Hated it with a passion.
Prayed so much over 39 years for help “Please take away my gambling”
The guilt and pain I was going through was real. I even contemplated suicide. Shocking for a married man with 4 kids.

To me it wasn’t lip service, it was a genuine crying out to God for release from this addiction.

Praise God for the last 7 years and I have not even had an inclination to gamble.

What resolved the issue?

God had to deal with the issues that caused me to gamble. When I was willing to listen and allow him to heal me, the issues that caused gambling then I was set free from the chains.

There will be a cause for the effect.
When the cause is dealt with then the effect will fall by the wayside.

You mention works without faith is dead. Yes this is true.
Please let’s be sure we don’t confuse what that means.

I fell foul of that, work harder, promise to be good, don’t drink don’t smoke then maybe just maybe God will love me and help me.

Wrong way of thinking about it.
There is so much religiosity behind the words of "faith without works is dead" that you may have thought I meant something other than I did. I simply mean, faith moves. Do we believe the Lord will answer our prayers? Then let us pray. Do we believe He will heal the person before us? Then pray. I simply mean to say that we ought to put action behind our words and convictions.

You are talking about overcoming sin which is a different thing entirely. I would say the greatest victory I've had in this area is approaching the throne of grace in time of need and the Lord bestowing grace and mercy. You yourself mentioned your "willingness" to let the Lord change you, this would be the works part of the equation. Your surrender. Your desire for Him, righteousness and His will expressed in submission to allow the Potter to mold you.

PS: Keep in mind that wasn't my point in this thread but an explanation of what someone else seemed to be saying.
 
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Miri

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Anyway.Thanks for the suggestions.From the answers received I conclude that we accept His presence by faith, that it takes time to cultivate a relationship with Him and that we won't always sense Him with us but we know that we are being looked out for because we have provisions and are kept safe from danger.:)

Just a slight adjustment, I believe God keeps us from a lot of danger and keeps a lot
of danger from us. That doesn't mean that we won't see some danger and difficult times.
But it does mean that everything works out for good for those that are called etc.

We grow the most in difficult times, for its then that we learn to trust and lean on Him.

God bless.
 

Cee

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I remember when I decided to get to know God better..

I didn't know how to pray..

So I was like... well, how's it going? I just want you to know that I'm really thankful for you...

And I just started to talk to Him from my heart.

Slowly over time He taught me as I prayed that He heard me as I heard Him.

I started to look for "His kisses" through-out my day, I started to listen for Holy Spirit's leading in myself, other people, and I'd invite Him to teach me through His Scriptures.

It's a step by step journey... repentance is a walk... we walk away from lies into the truth that sets us free. My suggestion is: Don't look at how far you have to go and despise small beginnings, but look back and see how far you've come and let it take you into thanksgiving and praise. Wear these 2 things around your heart they will take you into His gates and inner courts.
 
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Mooky

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Hi, not really sure what you are trying to say here and how it helps the poster.
Maybe you could expand.

Yes God does have emotions and feelings.
But his emotions and feelings are constant unlike ours.

Does he love us one day and not the next, no he does not. His love is constant.
Does he reject us one day and the not the next, no he does not. His acceptance is continual.
Will he forgive us one day and not the next, no he won’t. We are forgiven of our sins on account of Jesus.
Will he reprove us, yes he will all the time. That’s because he loves his children.

However are we the same? A resounding NO.

One thing God does is look at the heart.
If it’s one that seeks after him, that is a heart he will never reject.

We need to understand that a persons relationship with God is affected by life’s experiences, hurt, pain, trauma and yes sin.

With regard to sin it will affect our relationship, normally as a result of guilt. Yet God tells us there is no condemnation for those in Jesus.

However God is faithful to forgive us of our sins. To me to confess them is to restore the relationship and thank him for his forgiveness, when we do so then that’s so liberating, a relationship restored, then we know him.

If we do not he will in his way and in his time chastise us. When that happens as hard as it is we realise it’s for our benefit. Then we know him.

With regards to life experiences this also affects our relationship with God and knowing him.

My quick experiences are as follows.

Never knew my father, only 2 memories.
1st one is him breaking into our house, beating my mum up, through a punch which missed and broke my nose.
Then the police breaking in and beating him to pulp.

2nd my step father giving him a hideing. The step father who hated me as well.

Then my mum through me out at 14.
She didn’t like me either, 14 years of beatings and verbal and emotional abuse.
She fell pregnant by my dad. Very shameful as she was from a Muslim family. Therefore she was the black sheep of the family, therefore so was I.

I was fostered by a Christian couple.
The next 4 years I was being sexually abused by my foster dad.

Its no wonder I could not accept God as a loving Father yet let alone relate to him?

Healing is needed and lies need to be replaced with thruth. It takes time.

When I used to play golf I spent time with God on the golf course.
Mainly saying “Sorry” for when I sliced a shot.
At times he would remind me when I remembered to forget a shot when I put it on the score card.
Cant play Now due to arthritis in the knees.

God is with me when I am in the car, he reminds me when someone cuts me that the middle finger raised is not appropriate, or the name I just called them isn’t either. I know find myself praying for protection.

Thats why I know and feel God.

Yes he does know what we are going to do before we do it.
He also knows the difference between honouring and flattering.
If he knows our heart is one that seeks after given all our faults and it affects our walk with him from our side, that he can work with.

We as brothers and sisters in Christ should walk with each other and bear with one another.
Building each other up in Christ and the love of the Father.
Incredible testimony! Thank you for sharing!
 

BillG

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There is so much religiosity behind the words of "faith without works is dead" that you may have thought I meant something other than I did. I simply mean, faith moves. Do we believe the Lord will answer our prayers? Then let us pray. Do we believe He will heal the person before us? Then pray. I simply mean to say that we ought to put action behind our words and convictions.

You are talking about overcoming sin which is a different thing entirely. I would say the greatest victory I've had in this area is approaching the throne of grace in time of need and the Lord bestowing grace and mercy. You yourself mentioned your "willingness" to let the Lord change you, this would be the works part of the equation. Your surrender. Your desire for Him, righteousness and His will expressed in submission to allow the Potter to mold you.

PS: Keep in mind that wasn't my point in this thread but an explanation of what someone else seemed to be saying.
I owe you an apology.
I have read many of your posts and liked most of them. I know your heart for people.

I should have said that I know you don’t fall foul of the religiosity behind the words “faith without works is dead”

I was trying make sure that if people fell foul of what I did, then it was wrong.

With regards to your last paragraph. All I can say is that I applaud it.
You explained better that I could.

Mind you same with the first one as well.

Thanks for explaining it.
 

BenFTW

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Agreed.But I assure you that my walk is genuine and I don't need Mr Naybor projecting his issues on me.Perhaps he would do well to examine himself first.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry if you weren't looking for an elaboration but hey, why not try to take something someone may have meant to tear down and use it for good? He doesn't know the intent of your heart, and to question that can indeed be offensive. I tell you from experience that the Lord spoke to me of lip service and that is offensive. Consider, however, how offensive it was of me to speak of desiring God and yet not seeking Him as I should? He would be offended because it is His desire that we seek Him, and yet what? Have I professed love and yet not expressed it in word and deed?

See where I am going with this? I by no means was questioning your sincerity, and neither should another judge your heart. I was just explaining what he may have meant, minus any and all hostility of judgement.
 
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I can never not speak with him now and we talk about all kinds of things and in doing so I began to learn his voice
how does it sound like. im not hearing nothing. ever. maybe its because i live like the devil.

im pretty sure God operates in a way where, u gotta clean up ur life and then He speaks to u. not that He first speaks to u like a good friend in all positivity and glory and only then u clean up ur life..........