Last Trump: 1 Cor 15:52

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When is the first trump? And, what happens with the first & the last trump?

A trump is the sound of the trumpet.

At the last trump, for the trumpet shall sound the verse says. There are words and terms for a reason, "first and last", "first and the second"- example Jer 50:17 kjv. Scripture speaks of sounds in terms such as, "voice of the trumpet" , "sound of the trumpet", Rev 1:10-11, Rev 4:1 kjv.


What is the doctrine, according to the revelation of the mystery, found only in the apostle Paul's epistles.
 
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The last trump mentioned in I Cor. 15:52 announces the return of Christ which takes place at the end of the tribulation. This is Jesus second...and only return.
 
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Thanks, but that is not accurate to the verse. The verse does not say last trumpet or seventh trumpet as I see mentioned in other threads. lol
 
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Thanks, but that is not accurate to the verse. The verse does not say last trumpet or seventh trumpet as I see mentioned in other threads. lol
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1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

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Yes. So, when was the first trump? Or, what is the first & the last trump, Paul is teaching a doctrine here.
 
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Numbers: 10. 2. Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.

It's the New testament.
 
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The last trump mentioned in I Cor. 15:52 announces the return of Christ which takes place at the end of the tribulation. This is Jesus second...and only return.
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The seveth trump is not the last trump
the 7th trump signals Jesus return but while that tumpet is sounding Jesus comes with the last trump that is to raise the dead in Jesus

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Revelation 10:7

King James Version (KJV)

7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Note the seventh trumpet sounds and in the days biblically speaking Jesus returns with the trump of God and this is the last trump the mystery of the twinkiling of the eye
 
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Numbers: 10. 2. Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.

It's the New testament.
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sybolic speaking the 1st trumpet here represents the calling of the church out of darkness
the next trump means the calling of the church at Jesus return
 
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1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

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How much plainer could Paul make it. There are seven trumps being referred to. The last..the seventh is the last trump.
 
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Ok, thank you for your imput. I offer, applying the method of approach right division, which is simply from a view of who we are in Christ according to the will & purpose of God as members of the one new man. We have an inheritance, we cannot function in that inheritance without a certain body. Paul explains this in the very chapter of the topic verse. Again, body types n the household of God are , flesh & blood, flesh & bone, glorified body. Christ shared in all types, this has to do with reconciling all things & to do with the term all in all, amongst other things.

45*And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.46*Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.47*The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Last is often in connection to a pairing, first or second.

51*Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52*In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.53*For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

13*But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.14*For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.15*For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.16*For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17*Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18*Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


I know people don't talk about this much. The appearing of Christ is different than the second coming.
 
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The trumpets of Rev. appear to be trumpets of judgment. Yet the trumpet is often used as an announcement. This appears to be the case with 1 Cor. 15. Paul says, "at the last trump, for the trumpet shall sound" If he were really connecting this to Revelation he should have said, "for the trumpets shall sound." But he does not. What Paul references is a trumpet of announcement, an anticipatory and triumphant call wherein we shall all be changed. He connects it to 1 Thess. 4.
 
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I am not ready to move into prophecy study, but I have word studied a little on trumpets, yeah I see the coming of the Lord's day is filled with trumpets. So, for Paul to speak about Christ with a trumpet in this way is unique.
 
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LovePink said:
When is the first trump? And, what happens with the first & the last trump?

A trump is the sound of the trumpet.

At the last trump, for the trumpet shall sound the verse says. There are words and terms for a reason, "first and last", "first and the second"- example Jer 50:17 kjv. Scripture speaks of sounds in terms such as, "voice of the trumpet" , "sound of the trumpet", Rev 1:10-11, Rev 4:1 kjv.


What is the doctrine, according to the revelation of the mystery, found only in the apostle Paul's epistles.
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The sound of a trumpet is a spiritual meaning for victory. So I'm assuming that it is in reference to the seven stages in our life, seventh days, or the seven most commonly known sins, and which some will have triumph over.

The seven stages of human life include infant, childhood, teenager, young adult, adulthood, retirement and finally, elderly. The concept of seven stages of human life was first devised by an antique Greek philosopher called Claudius Ptolemy.
What Are the 7 Stages of Life - Ask.com

the sins are usually given as wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.

In the Book of Proverbs 6:16-19, among the verses traditionally associated with King Solomon, it states that the Lord specifically regards "six things the Lord hateth, and seven that are an abomination unto Him", namely:[SUP][4][/SUP]

  1. A proud look
  2. A lying tongue
  3. Hands that shed innocent blood
  4. A heart that devises wicked plots
  5. Feet that are swift to run into mischief
  6. A deceitful witness that uttereth lies
  7. Him that soweth discord among brethren



Seven deadly sins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The seventh is the last trump because there is No eight. What happens at the last ? Christ returns Revelation 11.
There is no need to complicate it.

When you read of Christ return to this earth, that is always includes when that happens, at the last trump.

When you read of just the word trump , though it dose not specify which one, yet it talks of Christ return, then you know by default its the last; because Christ returns in no other trump but the last: Which Christ called the seventh.

There is no eight, and there is no other one in which He returns.

This is not complicated. Each passage offering more detail that may have not been elaborated upon in another. So all details from the entire Bible have to be read and understood as a whole.
 
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Revelation 8:6

And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Here you have the same things Paul taught. Notice there are only seven.


Revelation 11:15

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


What has just happened when the angel, sounded the seventh trump there ?

Christ returns to this earth.

Dose Paul teach this also ?


I Thessalonians 4:

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


Paul said, Christ returns in a trump. We know which one specifically because Christ taught the one He returns in, is the seventh. That is the last one.

The dead are with Christ first, because they died: referring back to his subject he started in I Thessalonians 4:13.


Dose Paul say somewhere in More detail that it is the last trump ?

I Corinthians 15:

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Paul teaches as well as all of God's word; that the flesh body, returns to dust, and the spirit returns to the father. Because flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God ( Ecclesiastes 12:7 ). For that reason, at the last trump ( Christ return ) There will be a change to those bodies, as he taught prior.



Matthew 17:1-13

1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

( same ones by their acts mentioned in Revelation 11 )


We see Paul holding the line of truth, repeating verbatim God's Words. All of the Bible which God is Author, has to be taken all together.
 
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The seventh is the last trump because there is No eight. What happens at the last ? Christ returns Revelation 11.
There is no need to complicate it.

When you read of Christ return to this earth, that is always includes when that happens, at the last trump.

When you read of just the word trump , though it dose not specify which one, yet it talks of Christ return, then you know by default its the last; because Christ returns in no other trump but the last: Which Christ called the seventh.

There is no eight, and there is no other one in which He returns.

This is not complicated. Each passage offering more detail that may have not been elaborated upon in another. So all details from the entire Bible have to be read and understood as a whole.
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Are you saying the 7th angel raised the dead while pouring out the last plague hmmmmmmm
 
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Are you saying the angel raised the dead whil pouring out the last plague hmmmmmmm
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That is Not the subject. Try and keep it on point. If you want to talk about that in detail, maybe start another thread.

Also try not to say, '' are you saying''; I notice when you say that, it ends in a false assumption.

Try not to add things into what people are saying. And ask them in a separate question, what they think of so an so.

But don't include your wondering into their statement. It leads to preconceptions & misunderstandings and false of the subject.
 
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That is Not the subject. Try and keep it on point. If you want to talk about that in detail, maybe start another thread.

Also try not to say, '' are you saying''; I notice when you say that, it ends in a false assumption.

Try not to add things into what people are saying. And ask them in a separate question, what they think of so an so.

But don't include your wondering into their statement. It leads to preconceptions & misunderstandings and false of the subject.
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Then what are you saying :rolleyes:
 
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