law and grace

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what is the difference between a law based mentality in todays world and grace?to me a law based mentality would be
giving a person some change(money)and feeling like i am saved for doing this.
describe by a comparison.use scripture or something natural to get the meaning of the scripture across better if needed.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.









 
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AnandaHya

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1 Timothy 1
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, 13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise,[a] be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.


people speak of the law as if it is a bad thing, but the Law brings conviction and shows people their need for repentance and grace and mercy and forgiveness for their transgressions
 
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This verse shows Law & grace
Romans 6:23
(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The Law says we are guilty and should die but, the grace of God is there for all to accept as a gift

 

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Law is about what man should and should not do. Saving grace is what God has accomplished through the person and work of Christ, for His people.
 

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A Law-based mentality says "I must do A, B, and C in order to make sure I'm saved."

A grace-based mentality says "Jesus died on the cross for my sin, and that is why I am saved."
 
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for the sake of the people can you give an example what rightousness by law is and rightousness by grace is
i agree with shawntc and tribesman the most..i agree with all the replys,but example(more explanation of the scripture would be better):confused::)
 
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A Law-based mentality says "I must do A, B, and C in order to make sure I'm saved."

A grace-based mentality says "Jesus died on the cross for my sin, and that is why I am saved."
James 2:17
Even so faith, if it have not works, is dead in itself.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he had witness borne to him that he was righteous, God bearing witness in respect of his gifts: and through it he being dead yet speaketh.

John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.

Law, grace, faith, the Messaih that is Christ all work as a unit. They always have since the beginning. That is how Abel knew to obey God with his sacrifice.
 
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Laodicea

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John 8:4-10
(4) They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
(5) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
(6) This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
(7) So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
(8) And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
(9) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
(10) When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
 
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dishchat

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There is law when there is sin;
There is grace when there is repentance.
 

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what is the difference between a law based mentality in todays world and grace?to me a law based mentality would be
giving a person some change(money)and feeling like i am saved for doing this.
describe by a comparison.use scripture or something natural to get the meaning of the scripture across better if needed.

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Here is a very exact message on law and grace from the Book, Revelation. My hope and prayer is that all who actually consider this quote will read everything preceding and following this quote, however the quote does shine the full value of the commandments and faith, and it is an eternal blessing for anyone who loves Yeshua:
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"Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. "

The importance of obeying the commandments and having faith in Yeshua cannot be made more plain.
 
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hislastwalk

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the strength of sin is law...
where there is no law, there is no sin...

Sin, Law and Grace - YouTube

watch that, it really puts it in better words that I can.
 
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VII

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two examples of followers of our Lord Jesus Christ who are lying to them self,

1John2:3-4
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1john1:6-7
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Believe + walk in darkness = fake path = hell (evidence in these verses listed)

Believe + walk in light = fellowship + blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin = heaven (only if it is our Fathers will)

If you are a follower of our Lord Jesus Christ who came down in the Flesh and our Father the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, go study your bible and learn what walking in light or darkness even means

Thank you for your time, and have a good day.
 
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AnandaHya

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the strength of sin is law...
where there is no law, there is no sin...

Sin, Law and Grace - YouTube

watch that, it really puts it in better words that I can.
ok i'll watch it...

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Abiding

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for the sake of the people can you give an example what rightousness by law is and rightousness by grace is
i agree with shawntc and tribesman the most..i agree with all the replys,but example(more explanation of the scripture would be better):confused::)
We need the law. The law shows us Gods standard. Grace comes in through the gospel which
saves us by the work of Jesus. Because we fall short. Grace is also power. the power we need
to obey. Without the law we dont see our state and our need of a saviour. Its not a one time
thing, its a daily thing, moment by moment. Noone is righteous by the law, noone is righteous
by grace. We have been made righteous in our standing only through Jesus Christs righteousness
through His death and resurrection paying the penalty for our sins.

Grace: charis(greek) the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine influence.
 
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We need the law. The law shows us Gods standard. Grace comes in through the gospel which
saves us by the work of Jesus. Because we fall short. Grace is also power. the power we need
to obey. Without the law we dont see our state and our need of a saviour. Its not a one time
thing, its a daily thing, moment by moment. Noone is righteous by the law, noone is righteous
by grace. We have been made righteous in our standing only through Jesus Christs righteousness
through His death and resurrection paying the penalty for our sins.

Grace: charis(greek) the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine influence.
Hello, Abiding.

I'm curious where you got that definition of grace.

Grace is not "power". It is also not "divine influence". It is not a force. It is simply unmerited divine favor. Grace does not give us the "power to obey". Obeying is simply a decision we make, to obey or not.
 
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Abiding

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Hello, Abiding.

I'm curious where you got that definition of grace.

Grace is not "power". It is also not "divine influence". It is not a force. It is simply unmerited divine favor. Grace does not give us the "power to obey". Obeying is simply a decision we make, to obey or not.
Hello Mr. Shroom,
What is divine favor? Is it just a sentiment? The word is charis, close to the word charisma.
Used for gifts. The word used for grace the most is the word charis..which is a divine influence on the heart.
What do you mean grace doesnt give us the power to obey? What can you do without grace?
What did Jesus really mean when He said "without Me you can do nothing?" or "with men this is
impossible";or,"with God all things are possible"

read some of these verses with in mind that divine favor=divine influence on the heart
If divine influence on the heart isnt power than i dont know what is. Maybe its wrong to consider it power
but to me it is all that i need. Sufficient, power in weakness.

1 Cor 15:10
2 cor 9:8
Eph 3:7;4:7
2 Tim 2:1
 
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two examples of followers of our Lord Jesus Christ who are lying to them self,

1John2:3-4
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1john1:6-7
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Believe + walk in darkness = fake path = hell (evidence in these verses listed)

Believe + walk in light = fellowship + blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin = heaven (only if it is our Fathers will)

If you are a follower of our Lord Jesus Christ who came down in the Flesh and our Father the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, go study your bible and learn what walking in light or darkness even means

Thank you for your time, and have a good day.
V11 what did you think of the messege?
i mean did you agree with it?
i thought it was on the mark and correct

Sin, Law and Grace - YouTube