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Of course there probably was some hopeful manipulation that he might finally find enough to live on in the plate.. So what?
Did you read anything I posted about that?
A friend of mine often says, about almost anything and everything............
"Some do... some don't.... so what?" "Some will... some won't... so what?"
Did you read anything I posted about that?
A friend of mine often says, about almost anything and everything............
"Some do... some don't.... so what?" "Some will... some won't... so what?"
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Romans 15:1 ¶ We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
5 ¶ Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
7 ¶ Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
5 ¶ Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
7 ¶ Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I cannot praise and honor our heavenly Father.
Many times had people manipulated me, be it family, friends, colleagues or fellow church members.
God was always given me scripture to encourage me. When people abuse or misuse our goodness God will repay us double for the trouble. We need not to be so concern when people manipulate us. God will fight on our behalf.
Many times had people manipulated me, be it family, friends, colleagues or fellow church members.
God was always given me scripture to encourage me. When people abuse or misuse our goodness God will repay us double for the trouble. We need not to be so concern when people manipulate us. God will fight on our behalf.
People that try to "lord it over your faith" are performing spiritual witchcraft on others which is really just a work of the flesh. Those that try to insult you and call others names and de-mean them because they have a different belief in a subject - are also classic manipulators.
I agree about manipulation. It is called a work of the flesh. It is spiritual witchcraft and it is a work of the flesh.
The family of words from which we get our English word [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmacy[/FONT] is derived from the Greek word [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakeuō[/FONT] which means “to mix potions or poison.” The term also refers to the practice of magic. Thus [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakeia[/FONT] (also spelled [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakia[/FONT]) refers to the practice of the arts associated with magic, which in the time of the New Testament involved the use of potions or drugs
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.
In it's essence "it is the mixing of things together to get a desired result". This is where we get the word for pharmaceuticals which is the mixing of substances to effect a desired change in the body.
I agree about manipulation. It is called a work of the flesh. It is spiritual witchcraft and it is a work of the flesh.
The family of words from which we get our English word [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmacy[/FONT] is derived from the Greek word [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakeuō[/FONT] which means “to mix potions or poison.” The term also refers to the practice of magic. Thus [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakeia[/FONT] (also spelled [FONT="Gentium" !important]pharmakia[/FONT]) refers to the practice of the arts associated with magic, which in the time of the New Testament involved the use of potions or drugs
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Sigma-Omega.
In it's essence "it is the mixing of things together to get a desired result". This is where we get the word for pharmaceuticals which is the mixing of substances to effect a desired change in the body.
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Exposing manipulation is scriptural.
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
New Living Translation
Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.
English Standard Version
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Berean Study Bible
Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Berean Literal Bible
And do not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even expose them.
New American Standard Bible
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;
Imagine how bad it would be if false teachers weren't exposed..... It's known today as the Falling Away.
All thru the OT, there were prophets that exposed sin & the leaders that were doing it.
Now nobody wants to get involved.
Ephesians 5:11
New International Version
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
New Living Translation
Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them.
English Standard Version
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Berean Study Bible
Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Berean Literal Bible
And do not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even expose them.
New American Standard Bible
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;
Imagine how bad it would be if false teachers weren't exposed..... It's known today as the Falling Away.
All thru the OT, there were prophets that exposed sin & the leaders that were doing it.
Now nobody wants to get involved.
It is a manipulative trick to say people are slandering and insulting others, and how sinful
this behaviour is, aiming this invictive at innocents who are just expressing their faith,
then saying they are evil worse than the most heinous sin possible, which is a 100%
a slander and a curse all wrapped up in one post.
It is agression claiming a defense against someone who does not see one as an enemy,
making them a sinful enemy with a false accusations and then condemning them to judgement
and damnation. And to top it off declare you refuse to talk with people such as these because
they are not worthy of being regarded as in the body of Christ, and contaminate or what is the
word, defile, with their postings.
The venom such postings have buried within them, if taken seriously is probably the worst
I have come across. If this was someone of real standing or spiritual insight I might take it
to heart, but this is so corrosive, it comes from someone who seriously wants attention,
and feels justified to condemn innocents to hell.
I pray for people like this, and wonder at how such a tactic sees the light of day if
love truly dwelt in their hearts. What is so odd is the slander and insults are never specified,
so they cannot be put right, but then again if they never existed, that would be impossible
It is a sin to bear false witness against anyone, but this passes these people by, as sin is
not a problem, so one more sin to chalk up that Jesus has already forgiven before it was
commited, so why not get a whole bunch in, while you are about it.
this behaviour is, aiming this invictive at innocents who are just expressing their faith,
then saying they are evil worse than the most heinous sin possible, which is a 100%
a slander and a curse all wrapped up in one post.
It is agression claiming a defense against someone who does not see one as an enemy,
making them a sinful enemy with a false accusations and then condemning them to judgement
and damnation. And to top it off declare you refuse to talk with people such as these because
they are not worthy of being regarded as in the body of Christ, and contaminate or what is the
word, defile, with their postings.
The venom such postings have buried within them, if taken seriously is probably the worst
I have come across. If this was someone of real standing or spiritual insight I might take it
to heart, but this is so corrosive, it comes from someone who seriously wants attention,
and feels justified to condemn innocents to hell.
I pray for people like this, and wonder at how such a tactic sees the light of day if
love truly dwelt in their hearts. What is so odd is the slander and insults are never specified,
so they cannot be put right, but then again if they never existed, that would be impossible
It is a sin to bear false witness against anyone, but this passes these people by, as sin is
not a problem, so one more sin to chalk up that Jesus has already forgiven before it was
commited, so why not get a whole bunch in, while you are about it.
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Everything you quoted said to expose "deeds." (works) To whom? I would say to the one doing them. Such as explaining to Catholics why some of their rituals are bogus.
But you have substituted the word, "people" for the word that was consistently used, "deeds" (works). So, this would not be helping worshipers see that acts they are performing are wrong, but instead, it is going after specific people, trying to discredit them because they also thought the things they are doing and teaching are correct.
But you have substituted the word, "people" for the word that was consistently used, "deeds" (works). So, this would not be helping worshipers see that acts they are performing are wrong, but instead, it is going after specific people, trying to discredit them because they also thought the things they are doing and teaching are correct.
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I have been in and out of forums for years, I have yet to see anyone manipulated into believing anything. Most folks have their minds made up and would not change even if the Lord Himself incognito pointed out to them the error of their belief. I have been proclaiming the false pre-trib gathering since 1985 and I could count on the fingers of one hand the people who honestly checked the scriptures to see if what I had said was true. Now if this is about manipulation in churches and TV Ministries, I have seen plenty of it. I was invited to an Oral Roberts meeting one time, I realized later that I was invited because I had sent him a lot of money(a lot to me anyway), they obviously thought I was wealthy so I was invited in order to get some more money out of me. At the time I thought all Christian ministries were totally good, so it was not until later that I realized the truth. Anyway, we are in this meeting of several thousand and Richard stands up and says, the Lord just told me that there is someone here who needs to give 24,000$(that would be like 100,000 today). A long silence and then a lady stood up and gave the money. At the time I felt so embarrassed, I had taken out all of my savings and given it to them because I thought I was doing God's will, and I realized I was not their for spiritual reasons but to get more money out of me, by then I was almost broke...at least it was a learning experience.
The sad thing is the groups who are best at getting money out of their people,
are the ones who create the TV networks and slick operations to continue the money train.
Rather than the money going to the poor it buys these guys massive life styles tax free,
which is unusual for most pastors find it hard to keep thing together.
From the enemies perspective by making these guys superstars they curse the church with
the false advertising it is about influence and power, not love and service.
And you know who loves influence and power, because no one would buy his story without it?
are the ones who create the TV networks and slick operations to continue the money train.
Rather than the money going to the poor it buys these guys massive life styles tax free,
which is unusual for most pastors find it hard to keep thing together.
From the enemies perspective by making these guys superstars they curse the church with
the false advertising it is about influence and power, not love and service.
And you know who loves influence and power, because no one would buy his story without it?
S
oh come on Samuel
do you actually think I started this thread for these forums?
sure I have come across examples of attempts at manipulation through anger, twisting the Bible, even threats
but I did not start it to specifically talk about forum behavior
do you live outside the forums?
you keep going back to the forums. let's move on if there is any hope for this discussion which I am doubtful there is
far more serious than the deflection to money matters, which seem to be occupying the majority of what you consider to be manipulation, is the use of the Bible as the hand of God through a manipulative human