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The promises were given to Abraham. The promises were two...
One eternal inheritance of the land. Brings up an interesting point, how do you inherit something forever if you don't live forever?
Gen 17:7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
Gen 17:8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."
Second is the Messiah would come through Abraham.
Gen 22:15 Then the Angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time out of heaven,
Gen 22:16 and said: "By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son—
Gen 22:17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
Gen 22:18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."
Because Abraham OBEYED God, God says to Him there is now no force in the universe that can prevent me from making great nations from you and the Savior will come from you.
So a little further along we read...
Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
There were two promises made: Birthright - National wealth and greatness and the Scepter - the Messiah.
One eternal inheritance of the land. Brings up an interesting point, how do you inherit something forever if you don't live forever?
Gen 17:7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
Gen 17:8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."
Second is the Messiah would come through Abraham.
Gen 22:15 Then the Angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time out of heaven,
Gen 22:16 and said: "By Myself I have sworn, says the LORD, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son—
Gen 22:17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.
Gen 22:18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice."
Because Abraham OBEYED God, God says to Him there is now no force in the universe that can prevent me from making great nations from you and the Savior will come from you.
So a little further along we read...
Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
There were two promises made: Birthright - National wealth and greatness and the Scepter - the Messiah.
According to Scripture, "Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
It is clearly written in Scripture.....
Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."
Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."
It is clearly written in Scripture.....
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Here's the thing..back in Messiah's day the so called "legalist" so called because the word is not scriptural..but anyhow back then it was a Pharisees and religious leaders who are labeled as such. They made up their own rules and regulations effectively forsaking the instructions of our Creator, they weren't obeying what was handed down to Moses.
Fast forward..now you are called a "Legalist" if you have the testimony of Messiah and actually do what He said. In contrast, the ones who say, "legalist legalist!! are doing as the religious leaders of Messiah's day which is forsaking the instructions of Moses in order to do what is right in their own eyes.
evil=good
good=evil
There are serious warnings in the Word about sin. Messiah didn't suffer and die so we could ignore the instructions He gave us, do not be deceived. Do not call the Commandments evil.
Fast forward..now you are called a "Legalist" if you have the testimony of Messiah and actually do what He said. In contrast, the ones who say, "legalist legalist!! are doing as the religious leaders of Messiah's day which is forsaking the instructions of Moses in order to do what is right in their own eyes.
evil=good
good=evil
There are serious warnings in the Word about sin. Messiah didn't suffer and die so we could ignore the instructions He gave us, do not be deceived. Do not call the Commandments evil.
Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"
New International Version
Matthew 23:2-3"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
King James Bible
Matthew 23:2-3"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."
Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.
Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:
Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "
Not only does the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.
Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."
enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
The opposition to Yahwehss Instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.
Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."
It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in opposition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.
Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Again:
"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"
New International Version
Matthew 23:2-3"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
King James Bible
Matthew 23:2-3"Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."
Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."
Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.
Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:
Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "
Not only does the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.
Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."
enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
The opposition to Yahwehss Instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.
Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."
It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in opposition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.
Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Again:
"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"
here is the thing...it is very stupid to call someone in Christ a legalist....that would make you illegal by any standard...it is like Christ came to call sinners to repentance from sin...to become saints... and they go about boasting they are sinners and will always sin....that does not sound right to me....
Circumcision was the sign of that covenant, given after the covenant,
and only the circumcised were in that covenant.
The whole world was not circumcised, and nor was the covenant of Ge 15 made to the world.
It was made to Abraham's seed (Ge 15:18), the circumcised.
Covenants are not made on promises, covenants are promises, ratified with blood (Ge 15:9-10, 17-18).
Ge 12 is not a covenant.
The promise of Ge 12 is not the covenant promise of Ge 15, which is v. 18--a promise of the land,
to Abraham and to his seed (v.18), all of whom were circumcised.
There is no Biblical basis for a covenant made with the world.
and only the circumcised were in that covenant.
The whole world was not circumcised, and nor was the covenant of Ge 15 made to the world.
It was made to Abraham's seed (Ge 15:18), the circumcised.
Covenants are not made on promises, covenants are promises, ratified with blood (Ge 15:9-10, 17-18).
Ge 12 is not a covenant.
The promise of Ge 12 is not the covenant promise of Ge 15, which is v. 18--a promise of the land,
to Abraham and to his seed (v.18), all of whom were circumcised.
There is no Biblical basis for a covenant made with the world.
John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
two covenants one with Abram a covenant based on faith and one with Abraham a covenant based on law
this is the covenant in which the world will be saved by faith...Abram was not circumcised....
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4 [/SUP]And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he said unto him, I am the Lord that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he said, Lord God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
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this is the covenant concerning the nation of Israel in the flesh
[h=1]Genesis 17 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 17 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
two covenants one with Abram a covenant based on faith and one with Abraham a covenant based on law
this is the covenant in which the world will be saved by faith...Abram was not circumcised....
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4 [/SUP]And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he said unto him, I am the Lord that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he said, Lord God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
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this is the covenant concerning the nation of Israel in the flesh
[h=1]Genesis 17 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 17 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
We are in full agreement here. The Covenants are promises based on terms and conditions, the terms and conditions are not the promises.
Why sure it is. The same promises but in a progressive manner. Gen 12 - Go do this and I will make you a great nation. Gen 15 - How can I become a great nation when I am childless? I will make you a great with heirs you cannot number. Gen 17 - I will make you great and give you these wonderful promises. The sign of which is circumcision. Gen 21 - I will fulfill My promises and keep My Covenant with you through the son that Sarah bore. Finally, we read in Gen 22...
Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
because you have done this, the promises of My Covenant with you are now UNCONDITIONAL. I WILL do this.
Same Covenant throughout. As Abraham grew, God revealed more of what He intended to do through him.
Why sure it is. The same promises but in a progressive manner. Gen 12 - Go do this and I will make you a great nation. Gen 15 - How can I become a great nation when I am childless? I will make you a great with heirs you cannot number. Gen 17 - I will make you great and give you these wonderful promises. The sign of which is circumcision. Gen 21 - I will fulfill My promises and keep My Covenant with you through the son that Sarah bore. Finally, we read in Gen 22...
Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
because you have done this, the promises of My Covenant with you are now UNCONDITIONAL. I WILL do this.
Same Covenant throughout. As Abraham grew, God revealed more of what He intended to do through him.
1“Now these be the last words of David.?…?God?…?
5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:
for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.
“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan, saying,
Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in??…
When thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers,
I will set up thy seed after thee,
which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.
He shall build an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
If he commit iniquity, I will chasten (him) with (the rod of men), and with the stripes of the children of men:
- if he commit iniquity, would chasten them by taking
there name,land and idenity away, God did not renig on
the septer and birthright and other promises to Abraham.
The punishment for disobedience would be chastening at the hands of men.
But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee:
shall be established for ever” (2 Samuel 7:4-5, 12-16). was established forever in Solomon.
if David’s throne ceased from existence, at King Zedekiah,
even for the length of one generation,
could we say it had been established forever as God here promised?
400 years before Jesus was born from mary,
we see the crown no more, where did it go ?
12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom,
and to return.
5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:
for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.
“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan, saying,
Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in??…
When thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers,
I will set up thy seed after thee,
which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.
He shall build an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
If he commit iniquity, I will chasten (him) with (the rod of men), and with the stripes of the children of men:
- if he commit iniquity, would chasten them by taking
there name,land and idenity away, God did not renig on
the septer and birthright and other promises to Abraham.
The punishment for disobedience would be chastening at the hands of men.
But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee:
shall be established for ever” (2 Samuel 7:4-5, 12-16). was established forever in Solomon.
if David’s throne ceased from existence, at King Zedekiah,
even for the length of one generation,
could we say it had been established forever as God here promised?
400 years before Jesus was born from mary,
we see the crown no more, where did it go ?
12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom,
and to return.
Jesus did not take over the earthly kingdom while here,
he will return and take over the throne from David with power
11Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine;
he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
-that was his first trip
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
until Shiloh come; and unto him shall [the gathering of the people be].
12His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
-this when Christ return to take over the Kingdom.
4And Abijah stood up upon mount Zemaraim, which is in mount Ephraim, and said,
Hear me, thou Jeroboam, and all Israel;
5Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever,
even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?
3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto [David my servant],
4Thy seed will I establish for ever, and [build up thy throne] [to all generations]. Selah.
28My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and [his throne as the days] of heaven.
30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
he will return and take over the throne from David with power
11Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine;
he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
-that was his first trip
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
until Shiloh come; and unto him shall [the gathering of the people be].
12His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
-this when Christ return to take over the Kingdom.
4And Abijah stood up upon mount Zemaraim, which is in mount Ephraim, and said,
Hear me, thou Jeroboam, and all Israel;
5Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever,
even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?
3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto [David my servant],
4Thy seed will I establish for ever, and [build up thy throne] [to all generations]. Selah.
28My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and [his throne as the days] of heaven.
30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.
34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
the promise, that he [Abraham] should be the heir of the world. Romans 4:13
that Isaac was born by promise, and by a miracle from God,
But my covenant will I establish (with Isaac) 19-21.
Therefore God give thee (Jacob) of the dew of heaven
and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine
increase and possession]: Let people serve thee, and
nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren
God appeared to Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel.
And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone
all the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and
the glory,belong sole to Israel (Romans 9:4).
and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers
Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the
midst of the earth”
that Isaac was born by promise, and by a miracle from God,
But my covenant will I establish (with Isaac) 19-21.
Therefore God give thee (Jacob) of the dew of heaven
and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine
increase and possession]: Let people serve thee, and
nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren
God appeared to Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel.
And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone
all the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and
the glory,belong sole to Israel (Romans 9:4).
and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers
Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the
midst of the earth”
“Therefore the [Eternal] was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight:
there was none left but the tribe of Judah only”
-only Judah remained
Israel began to be “carried away out of their own land to Assyria” (2 Kings 17:23).
“And I will wait upon the Lord, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob?….” (Isaiah 8:17)
-Isreal became slaves, then lost to the world, dispersed with there captures.
by deforce from God,thus becoming the lost 10 tribes, of Isreal.
[A]nd her false sister Judah saw it. She saw that for all the adulteries of
that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce;
yet her false sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the harlot
-Jeremiahs strange commision comes in after isreal was removed..
first he tried to warn judah to repent and turn from evil but they did not.
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,” the Eternal said to him,
“and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations” (Jeremiah 1:5).
“See,” said God, “I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms,
to pluck up and to break down, to destroy and to overthrow, to build and to plant”
-what nations and kingdoms, to move around and change, then replant ?
He started as a youth and his commision took a long time
there was none left but the tribe of Judah only”
-only Judah remained
Israel began to be “carried away out of their own land to Assyria” (2 Kings 17:23).
“And I will wait upon the Lord, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob?….” (Isaiah 8:17)
-Isreal became slaves, then lost to the world, dispersed with there captures.
by deforce from God,thus becoming the lost 10 tribes, of Isreal.
[A]nd her false sister Judah saw it. She saw that for all the adulteries of
that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce;
yet her false sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the harlot
-Jeremiahs strange commision comes in after isreal was removed..
first he tried to warn judah to repent and turn from evil but they did not.
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,” the Eternal said to him,
“and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations” (Jeremiah 1:5).
“See,” said God, “I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms,
to pluck up and to break down, to destroy and to overthrow, to build and to plant”
-what nations and kingdoms, to move around and change, then replant ?
He started as a youth and his commision took a long time
Either there is a descendant of David setting on a throne today or God lied...
Jer 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
So, either there is someone sitting on that throne right now or God can't keep His promises.
Yes, Elizabeth, there will always be an England.
Oh and by the way, somewhere alive today are Levites. They may not be practicing, but somewhere there are descendants of Aaron qualified to do the Service of God...
Jer 33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
Jer 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
So, either there is someone sitting on that throne right now or God can't keep His promises.
Yes, Elizabeth, there will always be an England.
Oh and by the way, somewhere alive today are Levites. They may not be practicing, but somewhere there are descendants of Aaron qualified to do the Service of God...
Jer 33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
K
boasting about sin...you are right brother. TY. So many confusing and some convincing things seemingly nice people spin things to make the truth a lie. Is it me, or does it seem to be the most educated who spin the best? anyways, I always wondered what Nicolaitan was, because Messiah hates them. I found out. What an eyeopener!
-So far as the world knows, the last king to sit on that throne of David was Zedekiah of Judah,
but God promised David would never to want a man to sit on his thrown.
Then the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah in Riblah before his eyes:
also the king of Babylon slew all the nobles of Judah. Moreover he put out Zedekiah’s eyes,
and bound him with chains, to carry him to Babylon” (Jeremiah 39:1-7).
Then he put out the eyes of Zedekiah; and the king of Babylon bound him in chains,
and carried him to Babylon, and put him in prison till the day of his death.(Jeremiah 52:11)
1)king of Babylon slew all the sons of Zedekiah who were heirs to the throne of David.
2)slew all the nobles of Judah so as to leave no possible heirs for that throne.
3)putting out Zedekiah’s eyes, king who sat on David’s throne,taken to Babylon where he died in prison.
4)the throne of David ceased, with no possible heirs, or sons, to keep the dynasty alive.
-a former king of Judah was at that time in the dungeons of Babylon,
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
that Evil–merodach king of Babylon in the year that he began to reign
did lift up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah out of prison;
“As I live, saith the Lord, though Coniah [Jeconiah] the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah
were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence”! (Jeremiah 22:24)
Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days:
for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.(22:30)
-to remove the crown of David from the ruling line of Pharez
and place it on the head of a son of Zarah.
-but a royal line straight from David had to remain in the area,
so Christ could be born of David’s seed yet several hundred years in the future.
-king of Persia made a decree giving him the governorship, not the crown of a king, And Zorobabel
to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the house of God, the temple, seventy years after the captivity.
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
There is physical people all over the world, decendents as sands on the seashore,
that is hidden from us , even though it is right in front of our eyes.
but God promised David would never to want a man to sit on his thrown.
Then the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah in Riblah before his eyes:
also the king of Babylon slew all the nobles of Judah. Moreover he put out Zedekiah’s eyes,
and bound him with chains, to carry him to Babylon” (Jeremiah 39:1-7).
Then he put out the eyes of Zedekiah; and the king of Babylon bound him in chains,
and carried him to Babylon, and put him in prison till the day of his death.(Jeremiah 52:11)
1)king of Babylon slew all the sons of Zedekiah who were heirs to the throne of David.
2)slew all the nobles of Judah so as to leave no possible heirs for that throne.
3)putting out Zedekiah’s eyes, king who sat on David’s throne,taken to Babylon where he died in prison.
4)the throne of David ceased, with no possible heirs, or sons, to keep the dynasty alive.
-a former king of Judah was at that time in the dungeons of Babylon,
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
that Evil–merodach king of Babylon in the year that he began to reign
did lift up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah out of prison;
“As I live, saith the Lord, though Coniah [Jeconiah] the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah
were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence”! (Jeremiah 22:24)
Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days:
for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.(22:30)
-to remove the crown of David from the ruling line of Pharez
and place it on the head of a son of Zarah.
-but a royal line straight from David had to remain in the area,
so Christ could be born of David’s seed yet several hundred years in the future.
-king of Persia made a decree giving him the governorship, not the crown of a king, And Zorobabel
to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the house of God, the temple, seventy years after the captivity.
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
There is physical people all over the world, decendents as sands on the seashore,
that is hidden from us , even though it is right in front of our eyes.
