Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

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FreeGrace2 said:
OK, Mr pre-trib rapture man. Please share any verse that teaches that Jesus comes down in the clouds, glorifies all believers and takes them back up to heaven. What I call the HUGE U-turn.

Where are they?

OK, I see several things in this passage.

First, it's called a PARABLE. Because Jesus taught by PARABLES so that:
Mark 4:10-13
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, “‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’” Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?

So, EVEN Jesus' own disciples needed to have His parables explained to them. If you think Bible doctrine was taught by parables, you have really been deceived. If Jesus' own disciples needed explanation of Jesus' parables, so do YOU.

Second, there is NOTHING in this parable resembling Christ's return to earth, resurrecting/rapturing saints, or anything else.

So, what do you do? Spiritualize the parable, in order to defend your own opinion, or the opinion of someone else who has convinced you to believe their opinion.

Anyone can spiritualize any parable they want, to make it say what they want it so say. Big deal. That's all you've done.

So, again, I ask you: what CLEAR verses that plainly state that Jesus comes in the clouds, glorifies all believers and takes them back up to heaven? Or, the BIG U-turn, as I like to call it.

I ask for clear verses ahd you give me a parable. Figures.

Luke 8:10 -
He said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,
“‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’

You need to have your parables explained to YOU. You are unable to explain them to anyone else.

The parable is about being prepared for Christ's Second Coming. There is NOTHING about being raptured, Jesus making a HUGE U-turn back to heaven. That's just your opinion.

In fact, you have ZERO verses about Jesus taking any believers back up to heaven after glorifiying their bodies.

Why is that?

skipping them and Reframing them is a red flag...not anything to do with truth.

You are all about disproving truth.

Nothing to do with honest exegessis

 

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Unpack this for us;
I will wait.
25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Any postribs want a shot at it?

No takers so far.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Pssssst..... you missed the U-turn. The U-turn fg2 says is non existent.

Hey, where are the verses that say that Jesus makes a U-turn back up to heaven with glorified believers?

 

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Not even close. Of course it was. Clearly.

Seems you have a serious disability in understanding clear words.

....while you make this nonsensical post.

Wow pot / kettle much?

 

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He presents prophecy from the Protestant Historicist perspective, which so decimated the power of the papacy that they were forced to invent Jesuit “Left Behind” Futurist as a defensive diversionary tactic in response to Historicism’s accurate identification of the Papacy as Antichrist.

If you’d prefer to “wonder after the Beast” and defend the papacy, I won’t condemn you - the truth remains unknown to those unwilling to follow where it leads. But, others who are “willing to do His will” need to know the truth about what happened in church history and where popular eschatological errors originated.

Pot / kettle

You are not to be taken seriously.

 

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Do You Think That's A Boy Scout Campfire Seen Below, Or Possibly It's All A Lie?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Still waiting for a link or some group that believes your attempt to erase the millineum

( we both know you concocted that deal by yourself... Nobody believes that)

There will be no link

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
How come there isn't ANY mention of a U-turn in ANY of the passages you've cited/quoted??

Esp in the 10 virgin parable.

Wow
IT is right there.
Right there and you CANNOT SEE IT????

Ok, this is what you NEED to do. Quote the passage and color code where you think there is a U-turn back to heaven in it.

WOW.

Hey, don't excite yourself too much.

NOW THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE NOT OPEN MINDED AND START FROM THE WRONG PLACE.

REREAD THE PARABLE TILL YOU SEE IT.

No. YOU quote the passage an color code it to prove your own claim.

NOT your Postrib U-turn that men told you.

Total confusion again. There is NO postrrib U-turn. When Jesus comes back at the Second Advent, He STAYS on earth to reign for 1,000 years, and then rules over the GWT judgment, and then melts the earth. Then there will be a new earth for the saints, where we will live for eternity. No going back to heaven.

But the bible U-turn.

Show me. All your claims are empty.

The church gathering has one.
Noah has one
And the Jewish gathering has one.

But you will not see it ever.
Your mind is closed off
Sad

What is sad is that all your claims are empty. You haven't proven a thing. Other than you have ZERO evidence for any kind of U-turn before or after the Trib.

When Jesus comes back, He stays on earth.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Clue for postribs
Not that it matters.

Look at the Jewish wedding tradition.

But nah...you will not.

Because it's irrelevant. Just show clear verses that teach that Jesus glorifies all believers and then takes them all back to heaven.

Real simple request. Can you do it?

 

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I never said it was literal. Obviously a literal sword is NOT coming out of his mouth. Why would you even think anyone would think that?

hide and watch

 

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Because it's irrelevant. Just show clear verses that teach that Jesus glorifies all believers and then takes them all back to heaven.

Real simple request. Can you do it?

Glossover
Omit

Defect


Now try real hard to engage .

You can do it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You do not know what unpack means?

Do you understand English?

This is what I posted:
FreeGrace2 said:
OK, Mr pre-trib rapture man. Please share any verse that teaches that Jesus comes down in the clouds, glorifies all believers and takes them back up to heaven. What I call the HUGE U-turn.

Where are they?[/QUOTE]
So, again. WHERE ARE THEY?

You are not interested in the story?????
Not interested in the rapture?????

Why would you think such nonsense? The "rapture" is when Jesus comes back to earth and glorifies the living believers just after He resurrects/glorifies the dead believers. And we all accompany Jesus when He sets up His Millennial kingdom.

Do not care?????
Wow.

The "wow" is how off the mark your conclusions are.

But it is a VIVID RAPTURE PICTURE.

No. You haven't proven it at all. Quote the passage and color code where there is a rapture U-turn.

 

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Because it's irrelevant. Just show clear verses that teach that Jesus glorifies all believers and then takes them all back to heaven.

Real simple request. Can you do it?

Lol do you ever actually participate?

You just sit back and throw anything handy at it.

What is driving you?
Some mocking spirit?

 

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FreeGrace2 said:
How come there isn't ANY mention of a U-turn in ANY of the passages you've cited/quoted??

Esp in the 10 virgin parable.

Ok, this is what you NEED to do. Quote the passage and color code where you think there is a U-turn back to heaven in it.


Hey, don't excite yourself too much.


No. YOU quote the passage an color code it to prove your own claim.


Total confusion again. There is NO postrrib U-turn. When Jesus comes back at the Second Advent, He STAYS on earth to reign for 1,000 years, and then rules over the GWT judgment, and then melts the earth. Then there will be a new earth for the saints, where we will live for eternity. No going back to heaven.


Show me. All your claims are empty.


What is sad is that all your claims are empty. You haven't proven a thing. Other than you have ZERO evidence for any kind of U-turn before or after the Trib.

When Jesus comes back, He stays on earth.

You are invincibly ignorant.

I engaged you on specifics.

You answer like a mindless robot.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
OK, Mr pre-trib rapture man. Please share any verse that teaches that Jesus comes down in the clouds, glorifies all believers and takes them back up to heaven. What I call the HUGE U-turn.

Where are they?

skipping them and Reframing them is a red flag...not anything to do with truth.

You really don't have any evidence, do you.

You are all about disproving truth.

Actually, I am all about revealing your total lack of evidence for your unbiblical claims.

Nothing to do with honest exegessis

You apparently don't even understand what that is.

You can talk about exegesis but your pre-trib ideas and U-turn back to heaven is pure eisegesis.

You have no evidence at all. Not even the parables you offer help you.

 

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Postribs cannot unpack a simple parable


Too funny.


We all see your slippery deception.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Any postribs want a shot at it?

No takers so far.

Your bad. I explained it. But since you don't read what others post, I understand.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Because it's irrelevant. Just show clear verses that teach that Jesus glorifies all believers and then takes them all back to heaven.

Real simple request. Can you do it?

Glossover
Omit
Defect

Typical retort when there are no arrows in your quiver. You're empty.

Now try real hard to engage .

Seems you don't know what that means, either.

You can do it.

I can and I have. Unlike yourself.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Because it's irrelevant. Just show clear verses that teach that Jesus glorifies all believers and then takes them all back to heaven.

Real simple request. Can you do it?

Lol do you ever actually participate?

like providing evidence of the truth? All the time. Unlike yourself.

You just sit back and throw anything handy at it.

No, that's what you've been doing.

What is driving you?

Truth.

Some mocking spirit?

No, I refute the mocking spirits.

 

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Because it's irrelevant. Just show clear verses that teach that Jesus glorifies all believers and then takes them all back to heaven.

Real simple request. Can you do it?

""" Real simple request. Can you do it?"""

Mocking spirit.
You copied it from my post.

You are not to be taken seriously.

What are you, 13 yr old or something?

You have some strange dynamic in you that can not engage your opponent.

It is like talking to a democrat

 

[FreeGrace2]

Postribs cannot unpack a simple parable


Too funny.


We all see your slippery deception.

Yeah, I agree. It's real funny that you use parables to prove things, when Jesus used parables that even His own disciples needed further explanation.

Yet, you have proven totally unable to provide ANY verse that teaches a pre-trib rapture.

Maybe just sad, rather than funny.