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You defy being taught, you have a Pre-Determined bias, and the truth of scripture has no meaning

Namely your false belief and teaching in a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?


The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
You neglected to include verses 7-10 that outline what will occur when Satan is loosed for a little season as stated in Rev 20:3:

Rev 20:7-10
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 

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You neglected to include verses 7-10 that outline what will occur when Satan is loosed for a little season as stated in Rev 20:3:

Rev 20:7-10
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
I dont neglect Revelation 20:7-8 whatsoever, it clearly states "The Spiritual Being Satan" is loosed into the realm of earth, to deceive the world nations to battle

The fact remains, the Millenial Kingdom on this earth is claimed to be found in Revelation 20:1-6

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?


The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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I dont neglect Revelation 20:7-8 whatsoever, it clearly states "The Spiritual Being Satan" is loosed into the realm of earth, to deceive the world nations to battle

The fact remains, the Millenial Kingdom on this earth is claimed to be found in Revelation 20:1-6

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?


The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Notice the beast (antichrist) and the false prophet (religious leader of the false church) are cast into the lake of fire in Rev. 19:20. When Jesus appears with His army after the Great Tribulation prior to the battle of Armageddon.

After the battle Satan is bound and placed in the bottomless pit for a thousand years. (Rev. 20:1-2) After the thousand years Satan is loosed to deceive those who came through the Great Tribulation. It is at this time that Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are. (Rev. 20:10)
 

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Notice the beast (antichrist) and the false prophet (religious leader of the false church) are cast into the lake of fire in Rev. 19:20. When Jesus appears with His army after the Great Tribulation prior to the battle of Armageddon.

After the battle Satan is bound and placed in the bottomless pit for a thousand years. (Rev. 20:1-2) After the thousand years Satan is loosed to deceive those who came through the Great Tribulation. It is at this time that Satan is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are. (Rev. 20:10)
The book of Revelation is taught in "Parallel" teachings of same events, not chronological as dispensationalism falsely teaches

That seen below is the same battle in "Parallel" teachings, same event that takes place at the end of the great tribulation, when Jesus Christ returns in final judgement

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:7-10KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 

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The book of Revelation is taught in "Parallel" teachings of same events, not chronological as dispensationalism falsely teaches

That seen below is the same battle in "Parallel" teachings, same event that takes place at the end of the great tribulation, when Jesus Christ returns in final judgement

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Revelation 19:19-20KJV
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:7-10KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
So according to what you believe, when in the end time sequence of events is Satan held for a thousand years? If not during the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on this earth.
 

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So according to what you believe, when in the end time sequence of events is Satan held for a thousand years? If not during the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on this earth.
Satan is "Currently" bound from deceiving the nations, and the "Specific" binding is deceiving the nations to battle as Revelation 20:7-8 clearly teaches below

many falselyteach Satan cant be bound, because there is general evil and deception in the world presently, this is "False"

The seal that has Satan bound is the 6th vial in Revelation 16:12, when this is poured out, Satan will be loosed

Revelation 20:7-8 & Revelation 16:12-14 are "Parallel" teachings of the same event, the deception will be devils in false miracles, going forth to the Kings of the earth,to gather them to battle

Revelation 20:1-8KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Revelation 16:12-14KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
 

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Not ANY verse? Or: Many verses? Believe God:

Part 7: Great GRACE Departure!:

God's HEAVENLY UPlook For HIS Body!:

Grace And Peace! Notice, when God's Word Is Rightly Divided, Bringing
God's Approval Upon All Diligent Bible students!, we "understand The
Heavenly Context" Of The "Hidden In God"
( Ephesians_3 : 9! ) Mystery,
That HE:


"Revealed From HEAVEN!" ( 2_Corinthians_12 : 2! ), for us
TODAY, { "But NOW!..." ( Romans_3 : 21, 6 : 22, 7 : 6, 16 : 26;
1_Corinthians 12 : 18, 20, 15 : 20; Galatians_4 : 9; Ephesians_2 : 13, 5 : 8! ) }

To "our" GRACE apostle, Paul! ( Romans_11 : 13 cp Romans_15 : 16-18, 16 : 25! ):

The saints of today To "whom God Has Directly Addressed" Romans - Philemon:

...have a building ETERNAL in the HEAVENS..." ( 2_Corinthians 5 : 1! )

...our house which is From HEAVEN..." ( 2_Corinthians 5 : 2! )

Are "Blessed With All spiritual blessings In
HEAVENLY Places In CHRIST!"
( Ephesians_1 : 3! )

CHRIST Is Now Raised From the dead, And Set At The Right
Hand Of Majesty, In HEAVENLY Places!
( Ephesians_1 : 20! )

God "Hath Raised us up together, And Made us Sit Together
In HEAVENLY Places In CHRIST JESUS!"
( Ephesians_2 : 6! )

"For our conversation ( Citizenship? ) Is In HEAVEN; from Whence also
we look for The Saviour, The LORD JESUS CHRIST!"
( Philippians_3 : 20! )

"For The Hope Which Is Laid Up For you In HEAVEN, Whereof ye heard
before in The Word Of The Truth Of The Gospel!
( Colossians_1 : 5! )

Thus, All saints In The Body Of CHRIST Today! "should" Have, And Be
Getting Prepared For, This HEAVENLY Hope That Is Laid Up For us!


But alas, i really "fear" Most will Not be...
( Is it Still "Hidden" In God? )

Conclusion - Let us Contrast:

ALL the "hope" of The Nation Of Israel is "EARTHLY!" as ALL
prophecy "experts" ( Of OT, Daniel, Matthew, & Revelation! )
will Surely TOTALLY "agree" with, CORRECT?

But:

The "HEAVENLY" Body Of CHRIST, Found ONLY In The Revelation Of The Mystery!,
Has NEVER Been Equal, Is NOT, And Never Will Be EQUAL To, "EARTHLY" Israel! Amen?

Perchance, this is Exactly WHY "God Created The HEAVENS And the earth," eh?
More here:
Great GRACE {MYSTERY} Departure!

Be Blessed!
Amen brother. The time of tribulation is a time of God's wrath. Wrath which is poured out on unsaved men, and unbelieving Israel. The great tribulation is the time of Jacob's trouble.

The Church however is NOT appointed to wrath. Nor is the cast into tribulation as a testing like Jacobs house is.

No, but the Church will surely be raptured, as Jesus so affirms in Rev 3:10.
 

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Amen brother. The time of tribulation is a time of God's wrath. Wrath which is poured out on unsaved men, and unbelieving Israel. The great tribulation is the time of Jacob's trouble.

The Church however is NOT appointed to wrath. Nor is the cast into tribulation as a testing like Jacobs house is.

No, but the Church will surely be raptured, as Jesus so affirms in Rev 3:10.
Your claim is "False"

The Church will go through the tribulation, and be present on earth to witness the second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, as they look up and see their redemption return

Luke 21:25-28KJV

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 
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Are you delirious? My response to mr 77 was about his fantasies of a spiritualized millennium.

Of course there are rapture verses. I've already acknowledged them.

Matt 24:31 - And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

Now, this is YOUR opportunity to prove that neither of these verses is about believers being raptured or gathered together.


just did. 2, in fact. Just scroll your screeen upward a bit.

Now, please point me to any verse that teaches that raptured believers are taken up to heaven.

I'll wait.
Mat 25 is the rapture ( 10 virgins)

YOU NEED The groom returning the bride to her ORIGIN ( earth) in order to make your no heaven sillyness argument.

Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you ( heaven).
Your incorrect reframing is that Jesus only makes mansions for those already dead.

Ok 2 things just off the top of my head.
1) Jesus told the SAME AUDIENCE:" I WILL NOT DRINK .....Until i drink With you, in heaven"
Hello....that means glorified bodies...that means AFTER THE RAPTURE!!!!
2) REV 19 Has the bride becoming the wife IN HEAVEN.

You postribs have a strange defence.
" Ok that can not be a yellow house"
Look at the picture

" ok show me anywhere on that house it says 'yellow house'"

Rediculous sillyness.

The pretrib rapture is solid bible.

You are debunked
 
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You still don't have any verse that teaches that raptured people are taken up to heaven. So why should anyone believe you?
You have been shown.

Add acts 1 to the table.

"Jesus returns in like manner."

You can cram horses and conquering king killing wicked with billions of saints in there to no avail.
He comes for his bride JUST LIKE he left them. As a redeeming loving groom....ALONE but with angels.

That alone should bring you around to truth
 
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Pretrib rapture is the easiest doctrine of all to defend.

....but one needs to drop the extra biblical clutter and dig in the word.
 
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Mat 25 is the rapture ( 10 virgins)
Nope. It's simply about being ready for Christ's Second Advent.

Where does the Bible speak of raptured believers being taken to heaven? Matt 25 doesn't do it.

[QUOTE}YOU NEED The groom returning the bride to her ORIGIN ( earth) in order to make your no heaven sillyness argument.[/QUOTE]
The silliness is claiming that in the clear "gathering up" verses place that at the Second Advent (Matt 24 and 2 Thess 2:1) are pre trib verses, yet there is NO MENTION of any return trip to heaven.

Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you ( heaven).
Yes. And after He rose again from the dead, He went there. That's where He was "preparing a place for those STILL LIVING" but would die WAY BEFORE the tribulation. So when those He was speaking to died, they did go to heaven, where Jesus DID prepare a place for them.

Your incorrect reframing is that Jesus only makes mansions for those already dead.
I just explained AGAIN that He was speaking to living people who hadn't died yet. But they all did die.

Ok 2 things just off the top of my head.
1) Jesus told the SAME AUDIENCE:" I WILL NOT DRINK .....Until i drink With you, in heaven"
And all those He told that do did die and did drink with them when they arrived in heaven.

Hello....that means glorified bodies...that means AFTER THE RAPTURE!!!!
Where do you get that idea.

2) REV 19 Has the bride becoming the wife IN HEAVEN.
When Jesus prepares to leave heaven to end the Tribulation, the VAST MAJORITY of "the Bride" is ALREADY in heaven. Natch.

You postribs have a strange defence.
No, it's called stronge defense.

The pretrib rapture is solid bible.
No, Matt 25 is a parable, which was NOT designed for people to understand. Even His own disciples needed to have the parables explained to them. Using a parable to teach any doctrine or theology is merely spiritualizing the Bible, which allows the spiritualizer to make up anything they want.

You are debunked
lol. You are quite incorrect. Both Matt 24 and 2 Thess 2:1 place the "gathering up" with the Second Advent.
 
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Satan is "Currently" bound from deceiving the nations, and the "Specific" binding is deceiving the nations to battle as Revelation 20:7-8 clearly teaches below
This is beyond lol.

Satan is right NOW deceiving the whole world. Everyone is going "woke" and towards a one world government.
 

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You have been shown the FACTS. Matt 24 and 2 Thess 2:1 shows when the "gathering up" takes place.
Matthew 24:29-31 corresponds with Isaiah 27:12-13... note TO WHERE they are gathered (not "UP" ;) Rather, to one place ON THE EARTH. And not "AS ONE". Rather, gathered "ONE *by* ONE," O ye children of Israel.)
 
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Pretrib rapture is the easiest doctrine of all to defend.
How is it easy when there are NO verses that tell us that resurrected/raptured believers are taken to heaven.

....but one needs to drop the extra biblical clutter and dig in the word.
Right. Beginning with Matt 25. It's about being ready for the Second Advent.
 
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Matthew 24:29-31 corresponds with Isaiah 27:12-13... note TO WHERE they are gathered (not "UP" ;) Rather, to one place ON THE EARTH. And not "AS ONE". Rather, gathered "ONE *by* ONE," O ye children of Israel.)
Matt 24-
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earthwill mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Actually, v.31 is clear. "His elect" will be gathered "from one end of the heavens to the other". It says nothing about earth. We know the word "gathered" means gathered together, which is the same thing we find in 1 Cor 15:52 and 1 Thess 4:17.

So, let's take a peek at Isa 27:12-13
12 In that day the LORD will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, Israel, will be gathered up one by one.
13 And in that day a great trumpet will sound. Those who were perishing in Assyria and those who were exiled in Egypt will come and worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem.

This isn't about the Second Coming or the fantasized pre trib rapture.

v.13 says very plainly that "those who were exiled in Egypt will come and worship the LORD on the holy mountain in Jerusalem".

How do you explain "those exiled in Egypt"? Who are they and where else in Scripture are "those exiled in Egypt" mentioned in conjunction with being raptured?

You have not made your case with these passages.
 

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Actually, v.31 is clear. "His elect" will be gathered "from one end of the heavens to the other". It says nothing about earth. We know the word "gathered" means gathered together, which is the same thing we find in 1 Cor 15:52 and 1 Thess 4:17.
You're not thinking that the word "TO" is telling of the "destination-location," are you? (It's not.)



The previous phrase (right before the part you quoted, from Matt24:31) says, "[and they (His angels) shall gather His elect] FROM THE FOUR WINDS...," which phrase I've pointed out is basically the same thing that the NEXT PHRASE is also speaking of (the one you quoted), which basically means "from the EXTREMITIES" (no where left out, from where they'll be gathered)... but the "FROM THE FOUR WINDS" specifically parallels the wording in the following verses:


--"But as soon as he is established, his kingdom will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heavens. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the authority with which he ruled, because his kingdom will be uprooted and given to others." Daniel 11:4;


--"I will bring the four winds against Elam from the four corners of the heavens, and I will scatter them to all these winds. There will not be a nation to which Elam's exiles will not go." Jeremiah 49:36;


--"Thus the goat became very great, but at the height of his power, his large horn was broken off, and four prominent horns came up in its place, pointing toward the four winds of heavens." Daniel 8:8 [see also v.22]




[none of these is saying ppl exited the realm of the earth and were RELOCATED elsewhere, or were COMING FROM elsewhere such as "IN THE HEAVENS" or from "IN THE AIR" or anything like that... No.]