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Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.
Heb 12:14-16
Heb 12:14-16
This is silly. You yourself have talked about peter, and others are mentioning his name, like G77 and JGIG, so you are just showing that it's only when I mention him that you have a problem. If you think I am doing something against the rules of this website by asking for patience and love and forgiveness when dealing with peter, then you can put in a complaint about me and I am sure they will deal with me and everyone else in here who has mentioned peter. I won't be cowed into stopping with reminders of where we all once were. This isn't an argument for who is right or wrong - it is an argument for more love and more patience even despite how he has drained anyone of strength with his misplaced zeal.
And you knew when you started a thread with "hyper stuff" in the title, that the same cast of characters would come in who have followed all of this. If there is one thing you are it is intelligent. So put in a complaint about us who have talked about peter and how we might bless him even though he thinks we aren't his brothers, for the last 8 months. And if we've done something wrong, the mods will speak with us.
And you knew when you started a thread with "hyper stuff" in the title, that the same cast of characters would come in who have followed all of this. If there is one thing you are it is intelligent. So put in a complaint about us who have talked about peter and how we might bless him even though he thinks we aren't his brothers, for the last 8 months. And if we've done something wrong, the mods will speak with us.
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relating is good! relating to the topic might be better...my 'teacher' side is coming out I'm afraid...
when I start yelling "Now hear this"...that's when y'all will know you are really gonna catch it
aww shucks...that's just a little somethin' I cooked up between bicep curls
when I start yelling "Now hear this"...that's when y'all will know you are really gonna catch it
aww shucks...that's just a little somethin' I cooked up between bicep curls
I had you figured as a straight haired girl.
L
just so
we have tried very hard to explain that and no one more than you have...and with greater patience than I have certainly
but I am seeing something more in that verse from John 1
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
I really like this verse from Peter that you included:
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
my last post, I mentioned John 1:14
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
that has to be God's grace I'm thinking
Jesus came full of the grace of God
we know the scripture says that Jesus came to show us the Father
so, IN Him, we have the living Word...the living grace...all we could need to demonstrate all that is the grace of God towards us who believe
how do you and others see that?
we have tried very hard to explain that and no one more than you have...and with greater patience than I have certainly
but I am seeing something more in that verse from John 1
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
I really like this verse from Peter that you included:
1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
my last post, I mentioned John 1:14
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
that has to be God's grace I'm thinking
Jesus came full of the grace of God
we know the scripture says that Jesus came to show us the Father
so, IN Him, we have the living Word...the living grace...all we could need to demonstrate all that is the grace of God towards us who believe
how do you and others see that?
Interesting point. In most groups the us and them is clearly defined. Believe x and you are ok,
believe y and you are not. One particular character said I was spiritually unaware but harmless.
Another called me to repent continually, and no matter what I said, I was probably not saved.
I am called a pharisee, a legalist, trampling on the gospel, an adulterer of spirituality etc.
You might come to realise it is not I who say who is or is not part of the Kingdom. This level of
antagonism over basic theology and walking with Christ does not bode well, especially if I am told
saying what the basic ideas are is lying and sin, this is a different morality or love for Christ than
I have had most of my life.
It is interesting how many nail their colours to this mast. But then in a culture of compromise
and lack of morality or rules, it is not surprising peoples faith takes this turn.
But I am enjoying this exchanges because each day the Lord blesses me from His glorious riches.
It makes me look deeper into His word and see the vastness of ideas and encouragements to walk
in love and the Spirit there are there. So thank you all for your encouragement.
The Lord disciplines me through your hand, and as any child knows, by taking the lessons to heart
they learn how to fight the harder battles of the future, hallelujah.
believe y and you are not. One particular character said I was spiritually unaware but harmless.
Another called me to repent continually, and no matter what I said, I was probably not saved.
I am called a pharisee, a legalist, trampling on the gospel, an adulterer of spirituality etc.
You might come to realise it is not I who say who is or is not part of the Kingdom. This level of
antagonism over basic theology and walking with Christ does not bode well, especially if I am told
saying what the basic ideas are is lying and sin, this is a different morality or love for Christ than
I have had most of my life.
It is interesting how many nail their colours to this mast. But then in a culture of compromise
and lack of morality or rules, it is not surprising peoples faith takes this turn.
But I am enjoying this exchanges because each day the Lord blesses me from His glorious riches.
It makes me look deeper into His word and see the vastness of ideas and encouragements to walk
in love and the Spirit there are there. So thank you all for your encouragement.
The Lord disciplines me through your hand, and as any child knows, by taking the lessons to heart
they learn how to fight the harder battles of the future, hallelujah.
This is a very bad post peter.
You have not even tried to work toward peace in it.
And right on the heels of such a beautiful post.
If you keep insisting that everyone must have the same exact understanding as you do, you are making a grave mistake because just a short while ago, you argued that inward anger is not murder. So understand that you do not have perfect knowledge.
Stop trying to insist all must think the exact same way you do or that they are heretics. It doesn't matter if someone did this to you. Forgive them and make sure that YOU don't respond in kind.
In your last paragraph cursing came from your lips against ones our Lord DIED for. That's unacceptable even if you DO think they are not perfect in understanding yet. It's not acceptable when they do it and it's not acceptable when you do it.
Do you see this?
You have not even tried to work toward peace in it.
And right on the heels of such a beautiful post.
If you keep insisting that everyone must have the same exact understanding as you do, you are making a grave mistake because just a short while ago, you argued that inward anger is not murder. So understand that you do not have perfect knowledge.
Stop trying to insist all must think the exact same way you do or that they are heretics. It doesn't matter if someone did this to you. Forgive them and make sure that YOU don't respond in kind.
In your last paragraph cursing came from your lips against ones our Lord DIED for. That's unacceptable even if you DO think they are not perfect in understanding yet. It's not acceptable when they do it and it's not acceptable when you do it.
Do you see this?
amen. God has always been the same, without His commands, Grace cannot save us. even the old covenant was the same, it had forgiveness in it through animal sacrifice, there is grace even in God delivering the jews from captivity, like Jesus delivered His followers from its captivity. we are forgiven through hHis blood, they through animals blood. He did miracles to prove who He was to them, Jesus did miracles to prove who He is.
the issue is to accept only His death and resurrection as the gospel as SO many are bandwagon teachinjg in the world. just grace don't look to the commands of who died for you, just know he died.... its really an insult like those who passed by him as He was dying for them on the cross. in the name of grace rather than Jesus, who cant be separated from His words. Gods commands are life, the crudifixion is the sacrifice. in the old covenenant, it wasn't just how to sacrifice animals for your sin, it was much more, keep my words and you will not be sinning in the first place. Jesus is Just like His Father in every way. in Hos teachings there is grace and Justice like never before in the law.
in Jesus you forgive and justly you will be forgiven. in Him you give mercy, and justly you will receive mercy, in him you give and it will be given to you in greater masure, justly. how ever we treat others, is our measure we can expect. its not as if the old covenant is evil, but men were evil because of the deception in eden. following the lord Jesus, cleanses us from within and takes the motive away, and where there is no motive there is no reason to act. make someone clean on the inside, they will be clean on the outside, clean heart= clean actions. our responsibility went from the blood of goats and bulls, to the blood of Gods only Son. we are responsible for how we receive and honor His death and suffering on our behalf. grace was not free, it cost Him agony and death.
the issue is to accept only His death and resurrection as the gospel as SO many are bandwagon teachinjg in the world. just grace don't look to the commands of who died for you, just know he died.... its really an insult like those who passed by him as He was dying for them on the cross. in the name of grace rather than Jesus, who cant be separated from His words. Gods commands are life, the crudifixion is the sacrifice. in the old covenenant, it wasn't just how to sacrifice animals for your sin, it was much more, keep my words and you will not be sinning in the first place. Jesus is Just like His Father in every way. in Hos teachings there is grace and Justice like never before in the law.
in Jesus you forgive and justly you will be forgiven. in Him you give mercy, and justly you will receive mercy, in him you give and it will be given to you in greater masure, justly. how ever we treat others, is our measure we can expect. its not as if the old covenant is evil, but men were evil because of the deception in eden. following the lord Jesus, cleanses us from within and takes the motive away, and where there is no motive there is no reason to act. make someone clean on the inside, they will be clean on the outside, clean heart= clean actions. our responsibility went from the blood of goats and bulls, to the blood of Gods only Son. we are responsible for how we receive and honor His death and suffering on our behalf. grace was not free, it cost Him agony and death.
I see it the exact same way. We need to hear more teaching on Jesus and what He has done in order to have this grace that is in Him activated in our lives. All teaching that lifts up the work of Christ will bring grace with it which is really Christ Himself being revealed.
I always ask myself 3 questions about truth or a teaching as it relates to the grace of God being manifested in our lives..
1) Does it make Jesus bigger in your heart when you see His work and majesty? ( Or does it bring fear and insecurity because you are not "doing" enough to stay saved? )
2) Does it make you depend on Jesus and His finished work? ( or does it depend on what "you do" and depend on yourself?)
3) Does it make you fall deeply in love with your Lord, our Father and with all people? (Or does it make you view others as accursed, hated by God...etc - even though He loves them so much He sent His Son to die for them )
If I can answer these questions in the affirmative - then it is the good news of the grace of Christ.
We can view scriptures through the lens of the Old Covenant and then try to mix in a little of the New Covenant and we end up in mess of "working to maintain" our own righteousness for going to heaven.
When ever we don't factor in the finished work of Christ nor the real purpose for Jesus dying for us - the fact that God loves us dearly and He is not looking for ways to keep people from Him - we will end up in error as we are mixing up the covenants.
I always ask myself 3 questions about truth or a teaching as it relates to the grace of God being manifested in our lives..
1) Does it make Jesus bigger in your heart when you see His work and majesty? ( Or does it bring fear and insecurity because you are not "doing" enough to stay saved? )
2) Does it make you depend on Jesus and His finished work? ( or does it depend on what "you do" and depend on yourself?)
3) Does it make you fall deeply in love with your Lord, our Father and with all people? (Or does it make you view others as accursed, hated by God...etc - even though He loves them so much He sent His Son to die for them )
If I can answer these questions in the affirmative - then it is the good news of the grace of Christ.
We can view scriptures through the lens of the Old Covenant and then try to mix in a little of the New Covenant and we end up in mess of "working to maintain" our own righteousness for going to heaven.
When ever we don't factor in the finished work of Christ nor the real purpose for Jesus dying for us - the fact that God loves us dearly and He is not looking for ways to keep people from Him - we will end up in error as we are mixing up the covenants.
P
actually yes it is
and so am I
but now you know I can drop you
and so am I
but now you know I can drop you
I thought "drop" meant banned.
I thought the beetle was dancing.
Then it all connected.
(knockout,and beetle one arm pushups)
Man,no wonder the women are conspiring together.
Us guys are dumber than dirt.
2 timothy 2:14-16 "Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly
L
ok...
1. Which commands of God have ever saved one single person?
and
2. are you aware that we are told in the NT that animal sacrifice NEVER saved anyone?
please get back to us on that, and then we might have more to discuss with the rest of your post, but let's just start with the above, because what you are stating is not in the Bible
I understand you wish to obey God, no problem, but let us not add to the word