"LGBT RIGHTS"

[Tr]

You need to do some research.

If the bible was the standard of laws we would have at least a few more than 1 or two of the 613 commandments right? Sins would be illegal and thought police would be at every corner!

Oh wait the secular moral system follows none of the laws but the common sense ones like no killing or stealing. Even those are legal outside of your tribe of course (biblically). The same goes for slavery, its a bit stricter for keeping a fellow jew.

Something is immoral because God decrees it so. Everyone has their 'well being' affected in different ways. There is no standard here.

The definition of immoral says nothing about well being. It says:

• defying moral principles: contrary to accepted moral principles

The Bible is the standard of moral principles, whether accepted by you or not.

 

[secularhermit]

What is this christian preoccupation with homosexuality?

I guess it has to do with: It is a factor for disagreeing and DISCRIMINATION... She told very well what LOVE is.

 

[Tr]

The more you preoccupy yourself with these disgusting things the less you have god in your heart. I feel like people should stop casting judgement on others and simply live. I know the bible says to do otherwise sometimes but these are different topics and times. You aren't going to stone any witches or gays in 2014. Unless you live in a police state like iran etc!

 

[secularhermit]

This topic really hits home for me. On September 4th 2013 I lost my 17 year old cousin Nick to suicide. Why? Because he was gay and nobody could accept him for who he was. He was ridiculed at every family function and treated like an out cast which is funny to me because we have a gay aunt who frequents said functions with her girl friend.

I know the bible says it's wrong but the bible also says to love one another. My take on this massively relates to the experience with my cousin. Simply put - To each his own. I do not think it's right to shun someone to make them an outcast simply because we believe it's wrong to be gay. It's their decision. Which would you rather?- This person being gay... but happy (no pun intended) and healthy and alive.. perhaps a productive member of society? OR would you rather them feeling like my cousin did like an outcast and there was no way out so he decided to take his own life?

Because of this if someone tells me they are gay I will never tell them it's wrong or treat them awkwardly because of it. If they asked me what the bible says that's another matter. A personal promise to myself is never hurt anyone- emotionally, physically, what ever it may be. If someone could be hurt by my actions I never do it and the same policy applies to this topic.

I'd much rather have my cousin here right now with me than him lying 6 ft under. He was just a child and he was treated unfairly. I know the bible says it's wrong I am not saying it's right who am I to argue with God's word? At the end of the day as a Christian we are supposed to love everyone and that's what I intend to do.

Hmm!

If I were homosexual or sodomite, will I be accepted as one of those?

If I have a couple of those experiences AM I a homosexual?

Sex is a decision, as LOVE, as it self. I´m quite sure I always wanted to love a woman. My dreams were about ONE woman, I always love a woman (or several) and I´m sure I regret I had some homosexual approach to sex watching other who had a wrong drive to the nature GOD had planned for human kind.

Pitifully I saw perverted people who needed help, medical and spiritually help, they never got, and children were "induced" to explore for themselves.

Besides, the perverse world I have lived, allowed me to see private issues I regret having seen and, by these, I´m not saying I´m innocent. I´m quite quilty for ALL MY FAULTS. I grew without the Bible and its teachings and, all these ARE FOR MY BENEFIT AND FOR PEOPLE BENEFITS. Societe always needed the BIble, but we are blind to see it well.


DO I have to commit suicide for being poor, socially rejected or for being seen as unachieving person, they way any person could think of?

So, if I reject MYSELF, no wonder I would do a thing like that, because I lack "love" for myself. I lacked selfacceptance and those things linked to rejection, regret and hate.

I have had some friends who were gays but, when I knew who they were, I cut that relationship: I cannot change them (but they tried to change me). The more we try to "tolerate" any fault, the more we see it but everybody HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY DO. Their limit is me, my likes or preferences.

How could I feel if my children were kissing same sex people?

I dislike they´re not behaving. I have told them to behave, but I cannot control their likes and "social" preferences. The day I see them with same sex people, I will leave them totally alone (because I will not risk MY LIFE for another I don´t love).

I´m happy those I know who have AIDS told me (to be on guard) but how do I know who are sick from other diseases?

Anyone could tell me: "This is a flu..." but there are many sick people endangering other´s people life (and that´s what I told my children). They said: I use "shield"... But I said: "Do you use a shield for kissing some one you love? How do you protect from those diseases spread as a punishment?"

I just think about the pandemics and the social consequences, at the long run.

 

[mystdancer50]

You need to do some research.

If the bible was the standard of laws we would have at least a few more than 1 or two of the 613 commandments right? Sins would be illegal and thought police would be at every corner!

Oh wait the secular moral system follows none of the laws but the common sense ones like no killing or stealing. Even those are legal outside of your tribe of course (biblically). The same goes for slavery, its a bit stricter for keeping a fellow jew.

Show me where I said that it was law. Laws are made in the response to the acts of man and can only be enforced outwardly. Principles and morality are truth and solid in the Bible and are inwardly. And, once again, you cannot compare slavery and its justification to sexual sin. They do not compare. We can all agree that sexual slavery is wrong, yes? But that isn't what is debated here. Here we are discussing homosexuality, LGBT rights, and the Bible morality in regards to it.

 

[Tr]

Explain how a book has morality

 

[mystdancer50]

Explain how a book has morality

The Bible is the living, breathing, and infallible word of God. It is alive and sharp like a two-edged sword and it is the principle standard of morality. If you don't believe this, then absolutely NOTHING anyone says here will make a difference with you.

 

[Tr]

LGBT people have as many rights as you or I! If you desire less then you are casting judgement and in the wrong! Also it does not matter what you desire as public opinion is in favor of equal rights for all. They are human beings and should be treated as such!

Who are you to tell someone they have less rights than you?!

 

[cfultz3]

Explain how a book has morality

Perhaps, you meant to ask: explain how a book can speak of morality, seeing that a book does not possess morality no more than a Door can offer Life.

 

[cfultz3]

LGBT people have as many rights as you or I! If you desire less then you are casting judgement and in the wrong! Also it does not matter what you desire as public opinion is in favor of equal rights for all. They are human beings and should be treated as such!

Who are you to tell someone they have less rights than you?!

Who has said such? Are you assuming?

 

[mystdancer50]

LGBT people have as many rights as you or I! If you desire less then you are casting judgement and in the wrong! Also it does not matter what you desire as public opinion is in favor of equal rights for all. They are human beings and should be treated as such!

Who are you to tell someone they have less rights than you?!

I have never said they don't deserve "rights" or that they don't deserve to be treated with love. The truth is that sin is sin and unrepentant sin means death and eternal separation from God and ultimately the lake of fire. I won't sit back and happily watch people run to hell just so someone isn't offended, but I am accountable for every word I speak and for every opportunity to spread the truth that I allow to slip by, and I refuse to play footsie with sin and compromise in order to be PC and help others feel good about their immorality.

 

[crossnote]

And you think He will not correct a nation that has lost it's moral compass?

What? Of course He will. I'm thankful it didn't happen while I was wallowing in the mire, aren't you?

 

[Tr]

People le have the freedom to accept god or not. What someone does in their own home isn't your business.

No matter what is said you feel your better and have the ability to judge others because you think you know something they do not. Don't need to repeat the mistakes of history. People have been thrown out of the crowd from the very beginning of religion and it always wound up bloody.

I have never said they don't deserve "rights" or that they don't deserve to be treated with love. The truth is that sin is sin and unrepentant sin means death and eternal separation from God and ultimately the lake of fire. I won't sit back and happily watch people run to hell just so someone isn't offended, but I am accountable for every word I speak and for every opportunity to spread the truth that I allow to slip by, and I refuse to play footsie with sin and compromise in order to be PC and help others feel good about their immorality.

 

[mystdancer50]

People le have the freedom to accept god or not. What someone does in their own home isn't your business.

No matter what is said you feel your better and have the ability to judge others because you think you know something they do not. Don't need to repeat the mistakes of history. People have been thrown out of the crowd from the very beginning of religion and it always wound up bloody.

Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Every one. The only difference is the ones that do so now, have eternal life with Him. The ones that do so after death, don't. It's going to happen. And yes, it is their choice. I don't look in windows and beat on doors. They have brought their sin out into the world, out from their houses, out to the streets and the movies and the light and are brazen, so your argument is moot. They don't do it in their home anymore. They do it in front of the world.

 

[BELIEVE]

Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Every one. The only difference is the ones that do so now, have eternal life with Him. The ones that do so after death, don't. It's going to happen. And yes, it is their choice. I don't look in windows and beat on doors. They have brought their sin out into the world, out from their houses, out to the streets and the movies and the light and are brazen, so your argument is moot. They don't do it in their home anymore. They do it in front of the world.

amen sister mystdancer50 amen...

the godly truth spoken truthfully from you dear sister...

much love and god bless you always.

 

[danschance]

People le have the freedom to accept god or not. What someone does in their own home isn't your business.

No matter what is said you feel your better and have the ability to judge others because you think you know something they do not. Don't need to repeat the mistakes of history. People have been thrown out of the crowd from the very beginning of religion and it always wound up bloody.

Ok, so if someone has locked up three women in their basement for a decade, rapping them when ever he feels the desire. That is OK by you because it was done behind closed doors.

 

[danschance]

Explain how a book has morality

Define Morality:
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.


Looks like this is a book on morality and of course the bible is full of rules on good and bad behavior. I don't think you understand what morality is.

 

[Brother_Don]

all have the same right, its called free will. In the Word, liars and gays are in same category, with sorcery, and murderers. We all are given rights to free will, but if we play with fire we will get burned. i'm not preaching hell fire, just using a figure of speech.

 

[ww_21]

A man just killed himself because they found child pornography on his computer. Do you feel the same sympathy for him?

The thing is that sin is sin is sin. You can say "to each his own" but what we forget in the moment is that we are here for a blip and then there is eternity. Eternity. Forever. If we truly love someone, why would we say, "Eh, do what you want. I don't care if you go to hell and face the second death in the lake of fire. As long as you're happy here, who cares?" Essentially, that's what we do.

Now, yes, they shouldn't be made to feel different or as outcasts but the very lifestyle they choose makes them one, regardless of religion. Many non-Christians dislike homosexuality.

As Christians, we are outcasts as well. Everyone, every single person on earth, has days where life seems unbearable. The difference is that some just tough it out knowing that one horrible day isn't a reason to cut a life of promise short, one mistake does not end all purpose. Yet, those who commit suicide cannot see past the moment of pain to the promise of tomorrow and that is tragic.

I am sorry for your loss.

What must be remembered always is that we are looking at eternity, not at today, and if there is a sinful thing that is going to keep someone from being with us and with Christ for all eternity, it is better to confront it now, than have them face judgement later. Whose judgement matters more? Us on earth, confronting sin here and now in love or the judgement of God the day when He says, "Depart from Me, I never knew you." Whose do you think is going to matter more? Ultimately, we speak truth because God's final judgement matters most and He has plainly said who will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven and we don't want anyone to perish and neither does God.

You know, I usually ignore things that I don't agree with to avoid a confrontation however I will reply to this because essentially you are comparing the suicide of a child to the suicide of a man and that's wrong. A child is not fully developed mentally and this man was so there is no excuse to be comparing them.

This being said, if this man had some form of mental problem then my friend, YES. I do feel sympathy for him. There are so many layers to be examined before one can make a generalized statement such as "A man just killed himself because they found child pornography on his computer, do you feel sorry for him?" There are so many things that one needs to consider, perhaps this man himself was sexually abused as a child and this is why he behaves this way- because we was never given the help he needed.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that what he did is okay all I am saying is it's wrong to judge someone without knowing the entire story.

​I understand that you are sticking to Christianity however at the end of the day God says to love eachother and that's simply what I intend to do.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

This is what America has degenerated into. They are presently attempting to put bakers in prison and bankruptcy court for failing to bake cakes for their homosexual weddings. This is being done to establish legal precedent to put us all in prison and bankruptcy court if we fail to support homosexual marriage. Tyranny and it's from the left.

Here's an example of someone who mutilated themselves because they became deceived by the devil into believing they were born a female even though they were actually born a male and now won't even acknowledge that they were once a male. Understand, they want to use the government tyrannically against you if you do not agree with their false assertions.

I'm no fan of Piers Morgan but even this liberal is stumbling around trying to figure out why he should be attacked (and if the LGBT had their way fined and imprisoned) simply for stating a fact (e.g. the truth).

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