Literal or Symbolic: Only 144,000 Will Go To Heaven?

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Hello,
BTW, that number does not include...WOMEN & CHILDREN SO THE ACTUAL COUNT IS MUCH HIGHER...Just my 2 cents
THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS!!
Clarence
 

TMS

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#22
Look at the context.
It appears like it is spiritually symbolic.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

Do you think there are 12 thousand pure blooded from each tribe of Israel today?

Israel is now spiritual..
It may be 144000 spiritual israelites but is may be spiritually a symbolic.

Not 100% sure..
 

Omegatime

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As the messiah like journey of the antichrist he will bring the jews home from around the world for it will be the only place safe for them and allow them to build the temple. As the Lord said: Nation against nation, gentile against gentiles, but Israel will be safe from the turmoil.

There is no such category for the word spritual Israelite, you are either a jew or a gentile.

The two witnesses will know which tribe one is from
 

Nehemiah6

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As the messiah like journey of the antichrist he will bring the jews home from around the world for it will be the only place safe for them and allow them to build the temple.
No. The Antichrist will do no such thing. You are attributing to the Antichrist what is actually attributed to Christ.
 

Pilgrimshope

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The interpretation of the 144,000 mentioned in the book of Revelation is a topic of debate among biblical scholars and theologians. According to Revelation 7:4-8 and 14:1-5, the 144,000 are described as a select group of individuals who are sealed and belong to God. Some interpret this number literally, suggesting it represents a limited number of faithful humans who will go to heaven.

However, other interpretations view the 144,000 symbolically, representing a larger group that is spiritually chosen and set apart by God. These interpretations emphasize the symbolic nature of numbers in the book of Revelation and suggest that the 144,000 may represent a representation of the entirety of God's faithful people.

It's important to note that various religious denominations and individuals have different beliefs on this topic, and interpretations can vary. The understanding of the 144,000 should be approached with respect for different perspectives and a willingness to engage in thoughtful study and dialogue.

How do you interpret the significance of the 144,000: a literal count representing heaven's select few or a symbolic representation of a larger spiritually chosen group? Share your perspective and theological reasoning.
If you notice there are two groups one group is exclusively of Israel’s tribes ( the Old Testament was the tribes of Israel’s covenant

But then there appears a second group just after that group this new group is from all nations and languages and peoples of the earth and they are shouting about being redeemed by the blood of the lamb

So you have a group corresponding to the Old Testament exclusive to Israel’s tribes

a and the. You have a second group of people that are produced by the gospel sent into all Nations to all People.

the message of Jesus dying for the sins of all people , his shed blood , beings raised to life forever more and ascending into heaven glorofied in the spirit

So this group

“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The children of isreal is a specific name used for the Old Testament descendants of Jacob who god promised the land of the Canaanite’s to Abraham

and then this group immediately appears in heaven after they are all numbered

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-10, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s showing us the Old Testament and new when Christ appeared
 

GaryA

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I have always viewed the 144,000 as literal and mortal - and, on earth during the Millennium.