Live by Jesus teachings or Paul's?
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I agree...
Galatians 5:16-18 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
Being led by the Spirit ( who is joined as one spirit with us in Christ ) is walking in the revelation of His New Covenant and understanding the grace of God and the fact that we are new creations in Christ.
Walking in this will stop us from fulfilling the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires and to not live from being under the Law.
People that say .."Does this mean you can murder someone now?" - these are completely missing the revelation of the New Covenant and the life of Christ that is in our new creation now - the real us in the new heart - the inner man in Christ.
Galatians 5:16-18 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
Being led by the Spirit ( who is joined as one spirit with us in Christ ) is walking in the revelation of His New Covenant and understanding the grace of God and the fact that we are new creations in Christ.
Walking in this will stop us from fulfilling the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires and to not live from being under the Law.
People that say .."Does this mean you can murder someone now?" - these are completely missing the revelation of the New Covenant and the life of Christ that is in our new creation now - the real us in the new heart - the inner man in Christ.
And here is another one I don’t understand. Jesus said this:
But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. Matt 23:8 RSV
But Paul said this:
And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues. 1 Cor 12:28 RSV
Jesus said not to call ourselves teachers, and I stand by that.
You need to remember, apart from a very few, these sites are not for the mature. They are to discuss theology. That has little to do with persevering in the christian walk by practicing right from wrong.
Apart from ill health, is it mature for people to endlessly debate on websites such as these rather than going out and helping the needy? Or bring others to Christ? Which would be more fruitful
Dont expect too much!
I am happy to include myself in the above
In saying that, I wont deflect from the thread title any longer. My apologies. I have been correctly rebuked
Apart from ill health, is it mature for people to endlessly debate on websites such as these rather than going out and helping the needy? Or bring others to Christ? Which would be more fruitful
Dont expect too much!
I am happy to include myself in the above
In saying that, I wont deflect from the thread title any longer. My apologies. I have been correctly rebuked
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/147203-do-we-follow-teaching-christ.html#post2951859
Here you are, I have started a thresd for all who wish to debate this non-problemic theme.
Here you are, I have started a thresd for all who wish to debate this non-problemic theme.
Until Christ to know God you had to become a Jew.
After Pentecost Christ was the way. Christ came to Israel to complete
the salvation of man, to open the door, to bring heaven to earth.
The promise fulfilled the nature of God fully declared, once for all.
What changed was only the form of the message not it's contents.
After Pentecost Christ was the way. Christ came to Israel to complete
the salvation of man, to open the door, to bring heaven to earth.
The promise fulfilled the nature of God fully declared, once for all.
What changed was only the form of the message not it's contents.
False dichotomy and Breakers is completely incorrect. We would have to throw out all the parables that Jesus spoke following that logic as for only the Jews. That's frankly silly, but you may be dealing with a hyper-dispensationalist. 
Read the book 'The Gospel According to Jesus' by John MacArthur. Also, get 'Recovering the Gospel Series' by Paul Washer. Please, read these works and don't allow anyone to taint your mind about the true Gospel. You're smart enough and led enough to discern the truths spoken throughout them and they are all very biblical and good reads.
Read the book 'The Gospel According to Jesus' by John MacArthur. Also, get 'Recovering the Gospel Series' by Paul Washer. Please, read these works and don't allow anyone to taint your mind about the true Gospel. You're smart enough and led enough to discern the truths spoken throughout them and they are all very biblical and good reads.
off. I find this dishonesty a form of lying and manipulation, distorting discussions which
otherwise would be simple.
But then if believers are evil, or some, using the enemies techniques makes sense unless
you have become the enemy by compromising this far.
Walking in the light is the path, whether we are right or wrong, the Lord will show, amen.
I agree 100%...
All of us that are believers have walked by the flesh in some form or other.
Some of us think because we don't do the "biggie sins" like commit adultery, murder, and live homosexual lifestyles think we are not walking by the flesh - but the reality is - being in malice, deceit, and slandering others in the body of Christ is just as much as walking by the flesh as the "biggie sins" are.
The answer is not to stop doing the deeds of the flesh - to focus on the flesh. Religion always gets the gospel and walking by the spirit backwards.
The answer is to walk by the spirit and then we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.
Religion has the totally wrong focus and tries to dictate change in behavior to mimic the true life that only comes from Christ's life flowing in and through us.
Get this foundation wrong - and we create a religion that actually denies the very Lord's work on the cross and resurrection. This nullifies the true grace of God from operating in our lives to effect real transformation that reflects outwardly who we really are now in the new creation that is joined as one spirit with Christ.
All these are in the teachings of Christ and Paul because they are all from the same source - Christ Himself who is our life.
All of us that are believers have walked by the flesh in some form or other.
Some of us think because we don't do the "biggie sins" like commit adultery, murder, and live homosexual lifestyles think we are not walking by the flesh - but the reality is - being in malice, deceit, and slandering others in the body of Christ is just as much as walking by the flesh as the "biggie sins" are.
The answer is not to stop doing the deeds of the flesh - to focus on the flesh. Religion always gets the gospel and walking by the spirit backwards.
The answer is to walk by the spirit and then we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.
Religion has the totally wrong focus and tries to dictate change in behavior to mimic the true life that only comes from Christ's life flowing in and through us.
Get this foundation wrong - and we create a religion that actually denies the very Lord's work on the cross and resurrection. This nullifies the true grace of God from operating in our lives to effect real transformation that reflects outwardly who we really are now in the new creation that is joined as one spirit with Christ.
All these are in the teachings of Christ and Paul because they are all from the same source - Christ Himself who is our life.
I would broadly agree. To be righteous under the law requires 100% perfect obedience to it. You cannot grade sin to justify yourself under it.
I would also suggest Christ and Paul taught grace with the responsibility to persevere.
To live a Godly life, the Christian must firstly accept and follow grace, grounded in the truth of it. They must know they are secure with God in his unfailing love for them. An unfailing love shown by Christ dying for them at Calvary to give them a righteousness apart from law/ their own personal goodness.
Also, when they are tempted to look away from Christ and to the flesh, resist in the power of the holy Spirit as he empowers us to continue looking to our saviour and continue trusting him, through the Spirits sanctification to live an evermore holy life
Dont you think it would be great to bring grace and responsibility together?
Christ and Paul both preached it
I would also suggest Christ and Paul taught grace with the responsibility to persevere.
To live a Godly life, the Christian must firstly accept and follow grace, grounded in the truth of it. They must know they are secure with God in his unfailing love for them. An unfailing love shown by Christ dying for them at Calvary to give them a righteousness apart from law/ their own personal goodness.
Also, when they are tempted to look away from Christ and to the flesh, resist in the power of the holy Spirit as he empowers us to continue looking to our saviour and continue trusting him, through the Spirits sanctification to live an evermore holy life
Dont you think it would be great to bring grace and responsibility together?
Christ and Paul both preached it