Living A Life Free Of Sin
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Sinless I am waiting 14 years for about 1200 "Christians" to show me one verse that says we will ALWAYS be sinners, or where the Bible says it is OK to sin.... Not one has come back not ONE!
Also this falling over, and I accepted Jesus as my saviour... All these things are NOT in the Bible.... And not one single verse support ANY lies....]
What I do find in the Bible is... BE PERFECT, CANNOT SIN WHEN BORN OF GOD, KEEPETH HIMSELF PURE AND THE WICKET TOUCHETH HIM NOT... And I write this that YOU SINNETH NOT... God and sin no more... Those that KEEP MY WORDS, I will love and make My abode.... Be holy for I am Holy... And I will give you a NEW heart, and a NEW Spirit, and you SHALL WALK IN MY STATUTES... Etc. Etc.
Also this falling over, and I accepted Jesus as my saviour... All these things are NOT in the Bible.... And not one single verse support ANY lies....]
What I do find in the Bible is... BE PERFECT, CANNOT SIN WHEN BORN OF GOD, KEEPETH HIMSELF PURE AND THE WICKET TOUCHETH HIM NOT... And I write this that YOU SINNETH NOT... God and sin no more... Those that KEEP MY WORDS, I will love and make My abode.... Be holy for I am Holy... And I will give you a NEW heart, and a NEW Spirit, and you SHALL WALK IN MY STATUTES... Etc. Etc.
One that MANY say is .... I gave my heart to Jesus..... Show me one verse in the Bible that proof this can be done....
The OPPOSITE is true.... God TOOK MY HEART..MY STONEY HEART.... HE TOOK IT... not me give it, HE TOOK IT... HIS WILL NOT MINE... Why would God take a stoney heart? To replace it with HIS HEART... So HE GAVE HIS HEART TO ME...AFTER HE TOOK MINE... I HAD NO SAY IN THE MATTER,,,
All the holy and perfect people are made holy and perfect by this NEW HEART and NEW SPIRIT God gave them. And they CANNOT be sinners, because the STONEY HEART IS GONE!!!!
The OPPOSITE is true.... God TOOK MY HEART..MY STONEY HEART.... HE TOOK IT... not me give it, HE TOOK IT... HIS WILL NOT MINE... Why would God take a stoney heart? To replace it with HIS HEART... So HE GAVE HIS HEART TO ME...AFTER HE TOOK MINE... I HAD NO SAY IN THE MATTER,,,
All the holy and perfect people are made holy and perfect by this NEW HEART and NEW SPIRIT God gave them. And they CANNOT be sinners, because the STONEY HEART IS GONE!!!!
Blain here is some GOOD advice... If you cannot find it in the Bible, it is NOT TRUTH... There are MANY false teachers, spinning all kinds of evil stuff as Holy Word. I told you a few times before,... KNOW THE WORD OF GOD, and if it is not in there, then there is FALSE teaching along with it...
Not a single person in the Bible gave his heart, spirtitually or physically to God... NOT ONE! God do the chosing not the people... God says.. I loved you first, and I chose you, you did not choose ME...
That is the truth, and it will NEVER change.
Not a single person in the Bible gave his heart, spirtitually or physically to God... NOT ONE! God do the chosing not the people... God says.. I loved you first, and I chose you, you did not choose ME...
That is the truth, and it will NEVER change.
I see. That was my missed impression then as you spoke it in reply to HearOhIsrael apart from specifying that.
Well then, I agree with sinless that it is not exactly correct, for it fails to understand John.
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin [which could be credited to us whether past or present], we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
John is clearly speaking about an individual that denies there was, (or, is, if he is yet sinning), such a thing in his life as if he has nothing to repent of or resist falling back into.
The mistake HearOhIsrael is making is not seeing that the very reason John is telling those type of individuals that is so that they will cease failing to repent and stop sinning.
So, think hard about what I have here told you so that you might see what john was really saying.
Forget caring to be right in our own opinion. Let's look to see what was really said at all costs. Let all men be found liars (including we ourselves) but by all means let God be found (search it out) true.
Well then, I agree with sinless that it is not exactly correct, for it fails to understand John.
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin [which could be credited to us whether past or present], we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
John is clearly speaking about an individual that denies there was, (or, is, if he is yet sinning), such a thing in his life as if he has nothing to repent of or resist falling back into.
The mistake HearOhIsrael is making is not seeing that the very reason John is telling those type of individuals that is so that they will cease failing to repent and stop sinning.
So, think hard about what I have here told you so that you might see what john was really saying.
Forget caring to be right in our own opinion. Let's look to see what was really said at all costs. Let all men be found liars (including we ourselves) but by all means let God be found (search it out) true.
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Blain check this Scripture out. This is what I believe... A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Check out who gives a heart to whom... You have it the wrong way around.... This is God's way...
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Check out who gives a heart to whom... You have it the wrong way around.... This is God's way...
L
1 Timothy 4
King James Version (KJV)
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
This scripture is referring to a group that practiced false doctrine (sinning willfully) in the most egregious way until they became reprobate; My focus is on the results of their willingly yielding to seducing spirits, false doctrines and then preaching the same. They knew consciously what they were doing.
Romans 1:28-29
King James Version (KJV) 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Again, we are dealing with "Human Will". As adults we know and have an inherit knowledge of "good and evil"; the conscience, and know when we are contrary in our behavior; at least most individuals. In the 28th verse it states that "...they did not like to retain God in their knowledge..." Human Beings, that intentional refused to acknowledge God's commandments against their actions. So what the writings state, God gave them over to their own "wants/will".
Living a LIFE free OF sin is a conscious decision based upon inherent knowledge of good and evil; including, knowledge of God and what He commands.
Does a parent punish a toddler that turns over a cup of milk out of curiosity? Most will answer no. Why? The child's knowledge of what is right, wrong, or dangerous has not consciously been developed. So the parent must mentor the child concerning the ways of living in a corporal environment that is totally unfamiliar and different from the environment of the mother's womb. Does the mother blame the child for not knowing what is inappropriate, no.
Proverbs 22:6 “Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it.”
Is God greater in wisdom than a mother instructing a child, of course. We cannot live free from anything that we do not know exists. That is why the Holy Spirit is sent, to lead and guide us into all truth. Under normal circumstances, as children grow they are held accountable for the knowledge they attain. The same holds true for the believer, God only holds us accountable for what we know is right or wrong, and yes we are responsible for finding out what is expected of our lives concerning our walk with Jesus. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Teach me your way, O LORD; I will walk in your truth: unite my heart to fear your name.
Can we live life without sinning--No! KJV 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
Can we live A Life free of sin--depends on what "A Life" represents to the author of this thread and what does the author consider sin? To the world is one thing to the Christian it expands to a broader definition of what God requires of His children. One example, the Bible states that whatever is not of faith is sin.
Romans 14:23
Amplified Bible (AMP)
23 But the man who has doubts (misgivings, an uneasy conscience) about eating, and then eats [perhaps because of you], stands condemned [before God], because he is not true to his convictions and he does not act from faith. For whatever does not originate and proceed from faith is sin [whatever is done without a conviction of its approval by God is sinful].
To many Christians drinking wine is a sin; to another it is not. To this date, I am unable to find any place in the Bible that says drinking wine is a sin. But what happens when someone sees another believer drinking wine and attempts to convince that believer he is not perfect and there life is not free of sin because they not only are drinking wine but have a wine cellar? I guess that believer is going to Hell?
Living a LIFE free OF sin is all about 1. What is sin? 2. Who is interpreting it as Sin? 3. Is the interpreter sitting in judgment of another man’s servant? Romans 14:4
Thank you all for your patience but this is an excellent thread. I also think it is a trick question and all should define what is the author's definition of "...a life free OF sin" and what is their definition of "sin" as it applies to this thread.
thank you for allowing me to participate
King James Version (KJV)
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron
This scripture is referring to a group that practiced false doctrine (sinning willfully) in the most egregious way until they became reprobate; My focus is on the results of their willingly yielding to seducing spirits, false doctrines and then preaching the same. They knew consciously what they were doing.
Romans 1:28-29
King James Version (KJV) 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Again, we are dealing with "Human Will". As adults we know and have an inherit knowledge of "good and evil"; the conscience, and know when we are contrary in our behavior; at least most individuals. In the 28th verse it states that "...they did not like to retain God in their knowledge..." Human Beings, that intentional refused to acknowledge God's commandments against their actions. So what the writings state, God gave them over to their own "wants/will".
Living a LIFE free OF sin is a conscious decision based upon inherent knowledge of good and evil; including, knowledge of God and what He commands.
Does a parent punish a toddler that turns over a cup of milk out of curiosity? Most will answer no. Why? The child's knowledge of what is right, wrong, or dangerous has not consciously been developed. So the parent must mentor the child concerning the ways of living in a corporal environment that is totally unfamiliar and different from the environment of the mother's womb. Does the mother blame the child for not knowing what is inappropriate, no.
Proverbs 22:6 “Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it.”
Is God greater in wisdom than a mother instructing a child, of course. We cannot live free from anything that we do not know exists. That is why the Holy Spirit is sent, to lead and guide us into all truth. Under normal circumstances, as children grow they are held accountable for the knowledge they attain. The same holds true for the believer, God only holds us accountable for what we know is right or wrong, and yes we are responsible for finding out what is expected of our lives concerning our walk with Jesus. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Teach me your way, O LORD; I will walk in your truth: unite my heart to fear your name.
Can we live life without sinning--No! KJV 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
Can we live A Life free of sin--depends on what "A Life" represents to the author of this thread and what does the author consider sin? To the world is one thing to the Christian it expands to a broader definition of what God requires of His children. One example, the Bible states that whatever is not of faith is sin.
Romans 14:23
Amplified Bible (AMP)
23 But the man who has doubts (misgivings, an uneasy conscience) about eating, and then eats [perhaps because of you], stands condemned [before God], because he is not true to his convictions and he does not act from faith. For whatever does not originate and proceed from faith is sin [whatever is done without a conviction of its approval by God is sinful].
To many Christians drinking wine is a sin; to another it is not. To this date, I am unable to find any place in the Bible that says drinking wine is a sin. But what happens when someone sees another believer drinking wine and attempts to convince that believer he is not perfect and there life is not free of sin because they not only are drinking wine but have a wine cellar? I guess that believer is going to Hell?
Living a LIFE free OF sin is all about 1. What is sin? 2. Who is interpreting it as Sin? 3. Is the interpreter sitting in judgment of another man’s servant? Romans 14:4
Thank you all for your patience but this is an excellent thread. I also think it is a trick question and all should define what is the author's definition of "...a life free OF sin" and what is their definition of "sin" as it applies to this thread.
thank you for allowing me to participate
That is mere semantics, isn't it?
What is repentance? Is it not surrendering our hearts to love for God so that we feel compelled by the love his love generated in us to choose to cast away those things about our self which offend and separate us from God's holiness?
When we surrender, what are we surrendering?
And are we not making the choice to surrender it?
Mere semantics. That is all I see there.
What is repentance? Is it not surrendering our hearts to love for God so that we feel compelled by the love his love generated in us to choose to cast away those things about our self which offend and separate us from God's holiness?
When we surrender, what are we surrendering?
And are we not making the choice to surrender it?
Mere semantics. That is all I see there.
livingepistle, I only believe the Word of God,
I do not even have to know what sin is, God knows... God said that HE would snd the Holy Spirit to reprove the world of sin... And ANY person that sin's does so WILLINGLY... God did not say He sent the Holy Spirit to reproof "the meant to be holy people" of sin but ALL THE WORLD...
You see my friend every holy person was a sinner at some stage... God said ALL fell short of the glory of God... but He also said... To those he foreknown he called, justified and glorified.... Jesus said, Father the glory You have given me I have given them...
So here is the thing... What does God save us from. A saved person is removed from what? Sin! How can I do something that God DESTROYED for me, Removed from me, as far as the east is from the west, AND placed a NARROW gate between me and the sin? God says, I am in Him and in HIM IS NO SIN....
Lots of people make it as though tehy can sin IN GOD? How can I drink alchahol in a non alchahol establishment? Especially when God is the gatekeeper...
I do not even have to know what sin is, God knows... God said that HE would snd the Holy Spirit to reprove the world of sin... And ANY person that sin's does so WILLINGLY... God did not say He sent the Holy Spirit to reproof "the meant to be holy people" of sin but ALL THE WORLD...
You see my friend every holy person was a sinner at some stage... God said ALL fell short of the glory of God... but He also said... To those he foreknown he called, justified and glorified.... Jesus said, Father the glory You have given me I have given them...
So here is the thing... What does God save us from. A saved person is removed from what? Sin! How can I do something that God DESTROYED for me, Removed from me, as far as the east is from the west, AND placed a NARROW gate between me and the sin? God says, I am in Him and in HIM IS NO SIN....
Lots of people make it as though tehy can sin IN GOD? How can I drink alchahol in a non alchahol establishment? Especially when God is the gatekeeper...
H
Clearly we disagree with each others understanding.
Ungodliness and worldly lusts are seeking to establish righteousness by works of the law. This is man's rebellion against God in refusing to submit to His righteousness. Scripture offers many warnings against turning to the law for righteousness.
And what is godliness?
It's having Christ in us.
1Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1Tim 4:8
godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
Ungodliness and worldly lusts are seeking to establish righteousness by works of the law. This is man's rebellion against God in refusing to submit to His righteousness. Scripture offers many warnings against turning to the law for righteousness.
And what is godliness?
It's having Christ in us.
1Tim 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1Tim 4:8
godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
If that were true, then nobody would be saved. If God does not hear the prayer of sinners, how did I become saved (since He would not have heard me in the state of sin I was in at the time before I cried out to be saved)?
He not only hears our prayers, but DIED for us while we were still sinners:
"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
Sinless you are spouting lies. You are a sinner like the rest of us. In your innermost being you are a wretched sinner, in your thoughts, in your failing to live perfectly as Christ (or perhaps you are claiming to be as Christ--sinless in every way?), and for not loving everyone all the time, for losing your temper from time to time. . .sins are abundant and everywhere. You fall into the category of a "sinner" whether you like to admit it or not.
He not only hears our prayers, but DIED for us while we were still sinners:
"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
Sinless you are spouting lies. You are a sinner like the rest of us. In your innermost being you are a wretched sinner, in your thoughts, in your failing to live perfectly as Christ (or perhaps you are claiming to be as Christ--sinless in every way?), and for not loving everyone all the time, for losing your temper from time to time. . .sins are abundant and everywhere. You fall into the category of a "sinner" whether you like to admit it or not.
John doesn't say "if we say we haven't sinned' as he does in verse 10, but 'if we say we have no sin'. He does make a distinction between committing sin and having a sin nature. In the former, we lie; in the latter we deceive ourselves. When I sin, I don't possess sin (as verse 8 implies), but have done something wrong that needs to be repented of (as verse 10 implies). When I acknowledge the sin in my nature, I put it to death so that I don't sin. This is the distinction John is making.
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