LIVING IN THE MILLENIA

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TheDivineWatermark

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GraceAndTruth said:
Obviously some people do not understand the difference between 'single' and 'plural'
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It is my understanding that every number (in Scripture), above the number "one [singular]," is "plural"... this includes "a hundred/one hundred [plural; hekaton G1540]" and "a thousand/one thousand [plural]"... with (I think) only the exception of a sort of "compound-word" pertaining to the singular entity that the text calls "[our] twelve-tribes" [one word in the Greek] (in the sense of a kind of title of that 'singular' entity). [IOW, both G5505 and G5507 (re: 'thousand' or 'thousands') are used in the "plural" in Scripture]


--"a hundred/one hundred [plural; hekaton G1540]" - https://biblehub.com/greek/1540.htm ... an example: Matthew 18:28 here: https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/18-28.htm (note the "plural [P... 'Adj-ANP']" to the right of the phrase "a hundred")
 
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TheDivineWatermark

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GraceAndTruth said:
You have it right when you say some guests were INVITED. Others were not. (predestination)
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I think you've misunderstood me... but I will have to address this at a later time, as I am under a tight schedule this morning. Back later this evening, I hope. = )
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
I gather that.

What you are doing is suggesting that that is the Premill/Pretrib viewpoint, which it is not.

What I am doing is informing the readers of the actual viewpoint/teaching on that, so they aren't thinking to themselves, "hmm, yeah, that IS a dumb idea."

Everything in the Olivet Discourse [except for Lk21:12-24 about the events surrounding 70ad] refers to what FOLLOWS "our Rapture" (the Olivet Discourse is not Jesus covering the Subject of our Rapture, but of His Second Coming to the earth FOR the commencement of the earthly MK age, and what leads UP TO that). This means that verses such as v.14 and v.9 are speaking of what pertains to the believing remnant of Israel and what THEY will be doing IN/DURING/WITHIN the future trib years (and the results are shown in other passages I won't much go into in this post, other than, for example, Rev19:9 [distinct from 19:7] "BLESSED," speaking here of the guests [plural] "having been INVITED" [all through the (7) trib yrs on earth]. And that there are about 8-10 "BLESSED" passages total that speak to this point in time of His "RETURN" to the earth, and their [both the INVITERS and those INVITED] entrance into the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom at that point in the chronology. [But it is not that they/Israel finally come to faith only upon SEEING Him--at that point it is too late--no, they are the ones in the "INVITERS-role [-TO-the-MK-age]," throughout the trib yrs leading UP TO His "RETURN" [see also Lk12:36-37,38,40-42 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding," THEN the meal (G347), aka the earthly MK age]).

Just setting the record straight for the sake of the readers. Not saying YOU were saying what I had bolded in your quote (in my previous post), but that you were suggesting that's the Premill/Pretribbers' viewpoint (it's not).
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Thats fine. Just so you know, I believe Jesus has been gathering the remnant of Israel since he walked on earth and continues to do so. I also believe the reign of Christ is a current reality and not only a future event as many think. Of the "modern State of Israel" as a group of people who will in the future all come to faith in Jesus. Or do I believe in "replacement theology" as it is called, or that I'm "throwing Jews under the bus".
But these are all things people in Christian circles accuse others of by not realizing that believers in the scriptures have always been God's chisen people and unbelievers are not.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
1. its TRIUNE
2. Fully God and Fully Man

Who do you say Jesus Christ is? God in flesh, second person of the Trinity? Do you agree with the docrine of the trinity as agreed ty the council of Nicea?
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Yes, I've already said that.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Now THAT is lame theology........people being TORMENTED in the presence of Jesus??
How does that work? Fifty lashes? No dessert after dinner? How about tossing them to the lions?
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I've already shown how it works.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
It is my understanding that every number (in Scripture), above the number "one [singular]," is "plural"... this includes "a hundred/one hundred [plural; hekaton G1540]" and "a thousand/one thousand [plural]"... with (I think) only the exception of a sort of "compound-word" pertaining to the singular entity that the text calls "[our] twelve-tribes" [one word in the Greek] (in the sense of a kind of title of that 'singular' entity). [IOW, both G5505 and G5507 (re: 'thousand' or 'thousands') are used in the "plural" in Scripture]


--"a hundred/one hundred [plural; hekaton G1540]" - https://biblehub.com/greek/1540.htm ... an example: Matthew 18:28 here: https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/18-28.htm (note the "plural [P... 'Adj-ANP']" to the right of the phrase "a hundred")
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A cut and paste protest? :eek:
 
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Journeyman said:
Yes, I've already said that.
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Well, say it again for me, please.
Give me you assent to this statement:

The doctrine of the Trinity is held historically by orthodox Christianity.

“The ONE true God eternally exists as three distinct Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal, co-eternal, and one in essence.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Wrong again. God's wrath did fall on His Son as the Son took on the sins of His people (became the scapegoat) to pay the penalty in their place. That was why His cry from the cross.."my God, why have you forsaken me?" is so telling...for the first time while Christ was in the flesh, the Father was apart from Jesus, taking full payment for the sins of His people from the blood of the Son.
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Actually, the sins of people were inflicted on Jesus by sinners who hated him because they hated God, who Jesus is.

And Jesus quoted the first verse of Psa.22 from the cross because the so called scholars were mocking him, as though he was being forsaken by God. But Psa.22 is a psalm which teaches that God never forsakes the righteous. So please read what that entire Psalm, instead of believing the asnine belief of the Pharisees.

And lastly, the sins of the people were confessed over the living goat, who then took their sins away.

What was done to Jesus, the lying about, the contradicting, the spitting on, the abuse he suffered, all of it was sinful.
 
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Actually, the sins of people were inflicted on Jesus by sinners who hated him because they hated God, who Jesus is.

And Jesus quoted the first verse of Psa.22 from the cross because the so called scholars were mocking him, as though he was being forsaken by God. But Psa.22 is a psalm which teaches that God never forsakes the righteous. So please read what that entire Psalm, instead of believing the asnine belief of the Pharisees.

And lastly, the sins of the people were confessed over the living goat, who then took their sins away.

What was done to Jesus, the lying about, the contradicting, the spitting on, the abuse he suffered, all of it was sinful.
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No, actually I am right.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
A cut and paste protest? :eek:
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lol... I don't know what you mean by that (I'm dense :D ), but I myself typed out everything in that post except for the three or four links (C&P'd those, for evidence = D )... and I myself did all the study behind it as well. :D

(I have no clue if anyone else in the universe has published such a study, lol)
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
lol... I don't know what you mean by that (I'm dense :D ), but I myself typed out everything in that post except for the three or four links (C&P'd those, for evidence = D )... and I myself did all the study behind it as well. :D

(I have no clue if anyone else in the universe has published such a study, lol)
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Please, it says right in your cut and paste "bible hub" ROFL


YOUR POST:
--"a hundred/one hundred [plural; hekaton G1540]" - https://biblehub.com/greek/1540.htm ... an example: Matthew 18:28 here: https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/18-28.htm (note the "plural [P... 'Adj-ANP']" to the right of the phrase "a hundred")

I found that study on line just a few days ago. I used a little cut and paste myself! That is how I recogized it.
HOWEVER, originally my post was on the Greek words of chilias (singular) and chilioi (plural)
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
Please, it says right in your cut and paste "bible hub" ROFL
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Here's what I said: "but I myself typed out everything in that post except for the three or four links (C&P'd those, [...]"
YOUR POST:
--"a hundred/one hundred [plural; hekaton G1540]" - https://biblehub.com/greek/1540.htm ... an example: Matthew 18:28 here: https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/18-28.htm (note the "plural [P... 'Adj-ANP']" to the right of the phrase "a hundred")
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yes, those are three of the four LINKS I posted to BibleHub so that ppl can "see if these things [I had said] ARE SO" ;)

I found that study on line just a few days ago.
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Are you talking about how "a hundred" (and EVERY other "number" except the number "one,") is PLURAL? (like I was saying)?

I used a little cut and paste myself! That is how I recogized it.
HOWEVER, originally my post was on the Greek words of chilias (singular) and chilioi (plural)
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Okay, but my post "way back earlier in the thread" pointed out this:

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-2.htm [chilia - PLURAL - 'Adj-ANP' - 'P' for 'PLURAL' -- and this holds for all 6 verses, vv.2-7)... just like "a hundred" (in Matt18:28) is "PLURAL" as ALL numbers are that are numbers "two and above";)
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
Here's what I said: "but I myself typed out everything in that post except for the three or four links (C&P'd those, [...]"

yes, those are three of the four LINKS I posted to BibleHub so that ppl can "see if these things [I had said] ARE SO" ;)



Are you talking about how "a hundred" (and EVERY other "number" except the number "one,") is PLURAL? (like I was saying)?



Okay, but my post "way back earlier in the thread" pointed out this:

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-2.htm [chilia - PLURAL - 'Adj-ANP' - 'P' for 'PLURAL' -- and this holds for all 6 verses, vv.2-7)... just like "a hundred" (in Matt18:28) is "PLURAL" as ALL numbers are that are numbers "two and above";)
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My goodness, child, I can hardly remember what I said this morning.....how am I supposed to remember what someone else wrote a day ago?

Anyway,l this falls under the heading of "will this matter in a hundred year?"
I live my life by that philosophy. Which is why hardly anything bothers me for more than 5 minutes.
Have a good day..........I'm off to bake cookies for the freezer.....hide them until Christmas.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
My goodness, child, I can hardly remember what I said this morning.....how am I supposed to remember what someone else wrote a day ago?
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Okay, but I thought we were discussing what I wrote a mere two hours ago [Post #301 at top of this page] (addressing a point you made days ago). lol

Anyway,l this falls under the heading of "will this matter in a hundred year?"
I live my life by that philosophy. Which is why hardly anything bothers me for more than 5 minutes.
Have a good day..........I'm off to bake cookies for the freezer.....hide them until Christmas.
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Enjoy! = )
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
1. its TRIUNE
2. Fully God and Fully Man


Who do you say Jesus Christ is? God in flesh, second person of the Trinity? Do you agree with the docrine of the trinity as agreed ty the council of Nicea?
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Grace save yourself from spelling corrections in the future, (Tribune) was a auto spell check that I didnt catch, thanks for the correction to my oversight
 
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Grace save yourself from spelling corrections in the future, (Tribune) was a auto spell check that I didnt catch, thanks for the correction to my oversight
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Did he ever answer you? about the trinity
Just call me Mrs. Spellcheck :cool:
 
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It is painfully clear Satan is not bound, his work is clearly visible. Go stand in front of an abortion clinic and see the evil there.
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The whole ruling thing is also questionable. Is Jesus really ruling the Church now? If this is Jesus ruling the Church, we are in trouble, as the Church is very evil at present time.
 
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