Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

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OIC1965

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Would you agree with Piper ?
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Anyways, you already know my position. I have told it to you numerous times. You also know what parts of that confession I agree with and what parts I disagree with.

I have given you more than enough information on what I believe that you should by now be able to ascertain my position on these issues.
 

throughfaith

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Your media didn’t paste.

Anyways, you already know my position. I have told it to you numerous times. You also know what parts of that confession I agree with and what parts I disagree with.

I have given you more than enough information on what I believe that you should by now be able to ascertain my position on these issues.
Well I'd look up John piper s clip on predestination. It sounds like what your saying . He makes the error of inductive reasoning on the crucifixion. Concluding that because God determined the cross therefore determined all things , even dust motes to come to pass.
 

OIC1965

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Which sentence and what is your point ?

I would say in the way John piper explains in the video .
I was able to watch your video through the link.

I do not believe that God foreordained every sin, in the sense that He infallibly decreed that it must take place, though He did decree that some evil acts take place, like the crucifixtion. But if I am being tempted to commit a certain sin right now, and I commit it, I did not commit it because God determined that I must. I have the God given power to resist the temptation and not yield to sin.

Nevertheless, things are determined in the sense that God infallibly determines to allow certain things to take place and in other places He restrains. In other words, while God does not cause evil actions, at the same time, nothing is outside of His control. He could restrain evil or He may permit it, He never is the direct cause of it. And He does restrains and permits in accordance to the outworkings of the will of Him who works all things according to His own purpose.