LORDSHIP SALVATION

P1LGR1M · Nov 6, 2015

Not sure why you see it as evasive, I have addressed the post as I see it needing to be addressed.

You, however, charge evasion and then go on to what must be your reasoning which fails to be seen as logical.

You want to answer my post? Instead of your own evasion?

And just to make sure you understand, I have made it clear...

...it is not a new teaching, it is teaching that is taken directly from the Word of God.

Please address the posts if you feel I have been in error on any point.

Instead of this irrelevant nonsense.

God bless.

crossnote · Nov 6, 2015

P1LGR1M said:

You are aware, I'm sure, that most all new movements claim their dogma is from Scripture and I have little to believe that the LS teaching is no different.

P1LGR1M · Nov 6, 2015

crossnote said:

I'm not defending my position...I am defending the Word of God.

Which you are free to point out where I am in error in regards to either Lordship Salvation or the No-Lordship Movement.

But I see the source of your confusion, lol.

crossnote said:

And you immediately think I am referring to something a person does, lol. How typical.

What I mean is that just as character is a unified package, without separate dimensions as a coin has, even so do we view faith and repentance in salvation.

A person's character can consist of being temperamental, while at the same time be caring, as well as patient (not that we are seeing good examples of that here, lol).

So too, faith and repentance in relation to a believer is a consistent "package," not two opposing or diverse sides.

And I made it clear I was just yanking your chain, amigo, so you can set aside your further attempts to justify yourself. lol

Do you want to discuss Lordship Salvation, or keep on with the nonsense that has made it impossible to do that?

crossnote said:

No, it is just a more fitting analogy to represent faith and repentance.

crossnote said:

No, actually it doesn't.

It is in fact your own little straw man.

crossnote said:

Completely irrelevant to the point at hand.

God bless.

Magenta · Nov 6, 2015

P1LGR1M said:

I made it clear I was just yanking your chain, amigo, so you can set aside your further attempts to justify yourself. lol

Do you want to discuss Lordship Salvation, or keep on with the nonsense that has made it impossible to do that?

Hmmm... ...

P1LGR1M · Nov 6, 2015

crossnote said:

And your problem is that you are too busy trying to discuss irrelevancies to ever come to an understanding of whether Lordship Salvation is a direct address of the No-Lordship movement.

You have been given ample opportunity, as has anyone keeping up with this thread...to find out.

But you really don't want to, do you?

Much easier to take potshots with little quips that make you feel clever, than to put a little effort in clarifying this Controversy.

God bless.

P1LGR1M · Nov 6, 2015

Magenta said:

Dinner time?

God bless.

Magenta · Nov 6, 2015

P1LGR1M said:

What makes you think of food? Are you hungry? It seems you excuse your yanking someone else's chain as not being nonsense that interferes with discussion. Just a point to ponder.

crossnote · Nov 6, 2015

crossnote said:

P1LGR1M said:

As you can see I never said they were opposites pulling in opposite directions, another miscaracterization. I said, "As we look to and trust in Christ, to that degree we look away from and distrust all else".
BTW your continual LOL-ing while belittling others is uncalled for.

P1LGR1M · Nov 6, 2015

Magenta said:

Well, you know how it is, when someone gives such a great contribution to a discussion and you just don't know how to respond for the sheer depth of it...

And by the way, yes, I am hungry, haven't eaten today, so thanks for asking.

God bless.

P1LGR1M · Nov 6, 2015

crossnote said:

I hardly see my LOLing nearly as bad as you condoning and participating in false witness, my friend.

Again, are you going to actually address the topic or are you going to continue in these rabbit trails?

After all, should be fairly easy to show the error of a cult member, right?

Get busy, and stop wasting space in this thread. Address the topic, and address the teaching that doesn't go back 150 years, but that which goes back the last few pages.

lol

God bless.

P1LGR1M · Nov 6, 2015

crossnote said:

And by the way, did you understand your error in regards to using character to illustrate faith and repentance? How they are something we expect to see in those who profess to be saved?

Or does it need to be explained better?

God bless.

Stephen63 · Nov 6, 2015

Lordship salvation is a teaching all thru the Bible. Just because Johnny Mac labeled it means absolutely nothing. It's been in the Bible all along, so ENOUGH with how long the doctrine's been around.

Serving the Lord is a teaching all thru the OT, long before the Law. I would find it very odd that the Lord wanted His creation to serve Him as LORD in the OT AND in Heaven AND in the New Jerusalem, but not anywhere in the New Covenant.

Actually, the position of God's children being bondslaves to the Lord carries over into the New Covenant, & here's some scripture to support it:

Romans 12:1-21 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, [SUP]5 [/SUP]so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; [SUP]7 [/SUP]if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; [SUP]8 [/SUP]or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor; [SUP]11 [/SUP]not lagging behind in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; [SUP]12 [/SUP]rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer, [SUP]13 [/SUP]contributing to the needs of the saints, practicing hospitality. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. [SUP]18 [/SUP]If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE is MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord. [SUP]20 [/SUP]"BUT IF your enemy is hungry, FEED him, AND IF he is thirsty, GIVE him a drink; FOR IN SO doing you WILL HEAP burning coals on his head." [SUP]21 [/SUP]Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

More to come......

Stephen63 · Nov 6, 2015

Acts 20:17-21 (KJV)
17 And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church. 18 And when they were come to him, he said unto them, Ye know, from the first day that I came into Asia, after what manner I have been with you at all seasons, 19 Serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews: 20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, 21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul was a committed servant of Christ, & lived the example for others to follow. He even said, "Follow me as I follow Christ".

Stephen63 · Nov 6, 2015

Luke 1:38 (NASB)
38 And Mary said, "Behold, the bondslave of the Lord; may it be done to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.

Luke 1:48 (NASB)
48 "For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave; For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed.

Luke 2:29 (NASB)
29 "Now Lord, You are releasing Your bond-servant to depart in peace, According to Your word;

Stephen63 · Nov 6, 2015

Acts 2:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST days,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR forth of MY SPIRIT on all MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS and your daughters shall prophesy, AND YOUR YOUNG men shall see visions, AND YOUR OLD men shall dream dreams; [SUP]18 [/SUP]EVEN on MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN and women, I WILL IN THOSE days pour forth of MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy.

Ironic scripture, isn't it?

Stephen63 · Nov 6, 2015

Acts 4:23-31 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]When they had been released, they went to their own companions and reported all that the chief priests and the elders had said to them. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And when they heard this, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, "O Lord, it is You who MADE THE HEAVEN and the earth and the SEA, AND ALL that is in them, [SUP]25 [/SUP]who by the Holy Spirit, through the mouth of our father David Your servant, said, 'WHY did the GENTILES rage, AND THE PEOPLES devise futile things? [SUP]26 [/SUP]'THE KINGS of the earth TOOK their stand, AND THE RULERS were gathered together AGAINST the LORD and against HIS CHRIST.' [SUP]27 [/SUP]"For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, [SUP]28 [/SUP]to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur. [SUP]29 [/SUP]"And now, Lord, take note of their threats, and grant that Your bond-servants may speak Your word with all confidence, [SUP]30 [/SUP]while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus." [SUP]31 [/SUP]And when they had prayed, the place where they had gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness.

Stephen63 · Nov 6, 2015

Acts 16:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]It happened that as we were going to the place of prayer, a slave-girl having a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortune-telling. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, "These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation."

Stephen63 · Nov 6, 2015

2 Corinthians 4:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake.
[HR][/HR]Galatians 1:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.
[HR][/HR]Philippians 1:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons:
[HR][/HR]Colossians 4:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]As to all my affairs, Tychicus, our beloved brother and faithful servant and fellow bond-servant in the Lord, will bring you information.
[HR][/HR]Colossians 4:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Epaphras, who is one of your number, a bondslave of Jesus Christ, sends you his greetings, always laboring earnestly for you in his prayers, that you may stand perfect and fully assured in all the will of God.
[HR][/HR]2 Timothy 2:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged,
[HR][/HR]Titus 1:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness,
[HR][/HR]1 Peter 2:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.
[HR][/HR]2 Peter 1:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
[HR][/HR]Jude 1:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ:
[HR][/HR]Revelation 1:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]'But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 7:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."
[HR][/HR]Revelation 11:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]"And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."
[HR][/HR]Revelation 15:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And they *sang the song of Moses, the bond-servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and marvelous are Your works, O Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are Your ways, King of the nations!
[HR][/HR]Revelation 19:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]BECAUSE HIS JUDGMENTS are TRUE and righteous; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and HE HAS AVENGED the blood of HIS BOND-SERVANTS ON HER."
[HR][/HR]Revelation 19:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And a voice came from the throne, saying, "Give praise to our God, all you His bond-servants, you who fear Him, the small and the great."
[HR][/HR]Revelation 22:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he said to me, "These words are faithful and true"; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place.

Stephen63 · Nov 6, 2015

Matthew 24:45-51 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? [SUP]46 [/SUP]Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. [SUP]47 [/SUP]Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. [SUP]48 [/SUP]But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; [SUP]49 [/SUP]And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; [SUP]50 [/SUP]The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, [SUP]51 [/SUP]And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

crossnote · Nov 6, 2015

P1LGR1M said:

I never used 'character' to illustrate faith and repentance. Character was your word.

Here is what I said,

You can find it at post #294.

And with that, I am ceasing from responding to this thread and most other of your posts seeing that your defense of Mac Arthur at all costs has blinded you to normal conversation between brothers. You take even honest questions as an attack on your leader.

Sorry, and no lol.

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