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to me this goes with the other post also.
Questions for those believing that Baptism not essential for salvation
Questions for those believing that Baptism not essential for salvation
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Non-lordship salvation is a neutral term for easy believism, the "popular slogan for the view that one simply has to believe in order to be saved and that there is no corresponding need for a committed life of Christian discipleship."[1] The result is that the idea of personal sanctification is divorced from justification, and discipleship is seen as a path that some Christians follow, but not others. The term carnal Christian is used to describe such a supposed Christian, who once made a "decision" but has not continued in discipleship. Names applied to this doctrine by opponents include no-lordship and cheap grace as it suggests that "accepting Jesus" does not involve any further commitments. Proponents of this view, on the other hand, prefer the term the "free grace" to describe their position. Easy-believism is also said to overemphasize the doctrine of assurance of salvation at the expense of personal authenticity.
Those who hold to the Free-grace position are generally Arminian in theology, although classical Arminianism does not adhere to this.
You can keep your easy-believism/cheap/free grace, I will God with what God teaches in His word. I will stand on the true grace of God as taught in scripture.
Those who hold to the Free-grace position are generally Arminian in theology, although classical Arminianism does not adhere to this.
You can keep your easy-believism/cheap/free grace, I will God with what God teaches in His word. I will stand on the true grace of God as taught in scripture.
if my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves, you and watchman take a great pride in your knowledge of grace, but to humble yourself it must be of God and nothing that we can do to get it or keep it. I have ask this question in here before , but you probably missed it. when you stand before God and He askes why should I allow you into My kingdom, your response will have to be. well just look at all the great works I did in your name, I kept myself pure like you said in your word and I lifted myself up over others because of these things and I condemned those that wasn't pure like me. Of course I would give you my response If God would ask me the same question But I won't be asked that For He will see the Blood, and He will judge my works either good or bad and the good I have done through Him will be brought forth as a reward and the bad I done in my weakness will be burned up, But the Blood being applied is all I will have to offer for my salvation, if you say that this won't be enough for me then you Blaspheme the Blood .
1co 3:10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.1co 3:11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.1co 3:12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;1co 3:13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.1co 3:14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.1co 3:15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
your false teachings also blasphemes the Holy Ghost by whom we are sealed, you say He is not able to seal anyone, that we have to seal ourselves through our works. But I am sealed until the day of redemption, by the promise in God's Word.
Eph 4:30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
1co 3:10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.1co 3:11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.1co 3:12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;1co 3:13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.1co 3:14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.1co 3:15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
your false teachings also blasphemes the Holy Ghost by whom we are sealed, you say He is not able to seal anyone, that we have to seal ourselves through our works. But I am sealed until the day of redemption, by the promise in God's Word.
Eph 4:30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Thaddeus you've twisted that scripture about being saved by fire without really understanding the context. You and others suppose this means a person can live however they want even lose faith and stil be saved. Wrong! This verse supports the view that you can lose your salvation, because it talks about people getting in by the skin of their teeth. Scripture teaches you can be fully saved, barely saved, or not saved at all. Note it assumes the person still has faith in Christ, they still have laid the foundation. It doesn't in any way support an idea that a person is saved no matter what they do. Rather it teaches the opposite - that a person may just scrape in, and suppose they lose the foundation as well, are they still saved? Of course not. This one little verse you continually quote to support this false doctrine does not cancel out the many other scriptures about apostasy such as in Hebrews.
The very next verse puts a nail into the OSAS coffin:
1Co 3:17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are.
In other words, if God destroys him, he shall not be saved at all, not by fire as in verse 15.
The very next verse puts a nail into the OSAS coffin:
1Co 3:17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are.
In other words, if God destroys him, he shall not be saved at all, not by fire as in verse 15.
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1Co 3:17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are.
You people would say a person who God destroys is still saved and going to heaven.
That is the normal meaning of verse 15, as most bible commentaries on this verse have rendered it.
You people would say a person who God destroys is still saved and going to heaven.
That is the normal meaning of verse 15, as most bible commentaries on this verse have rendered it.
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and this verse takes the nail out and sets us free, to destroy the body does not mean that He will also destroy the soul, your verse therefore doth not prove anything except you have to make scriptures to fit your doctrine not allow your doctrine to fit scriptures:
1co 5:5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
why would you want to put the free Gift of God(salvation) in a coffin
was it not Jesus himself that said If I set you free, free indeed ye will be, and i told ask you before not to put words into my mouth would you please show me a quote of mine where I ever said that we could live anyway we wanted and still make it to heaven??
1co 5:5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
why would you want to put the free Gift of God(salvation) in a coffin
was it not Jesus himself that said If I set you free, free indeed ye will be, and i told ask you before not to put words into my mouth would you please show me a quote of mine where I ever said that we could live anyway we wanted and still make it to heaven??
Neither will go to Heaven. No rapist or murderer will enter into to the Kingdom no matter who they claim as Lord or whether or not they believe Jesus is the son of God or not. Nor will anyone outside of accepting Christ as their Savior go into Heaven no matter how good even perfect they may live their lives.
However if Mary truly dedicates herself to obeying God's commandment then she will receive His Son as her Savior thereby becoming saved being reconciled to God.
However if Mary truly dedicates herself to obeying God's commandment then she will receive His Son as her Savior thereby becoming saved being reconciled to God.
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Thaddeaus... I only read the first few words of what you wrote and read enough. You know NOTHING about me. I am a very humble and shy person. I take no pride in anything I say or do. I realize that my comment I made may have not been the right way to say it. I think if you go back and read some of your stuff you will see that you have done what you have accused me of and yes I am probably fixing to be quilty of the scriptur I am about to give you. Yes, I agree.. I should not have said what I did they way I did. But If WE read Matthew 7: 3-5 we will read: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? then though 5.
this is what I read and that was enough: you and watchman take a great pride in your knowledge of grace, but to humble yourself it must be of God and nothing that we can do to get it or keep it.
this is what I read and that was enough: you and watchman take a great pride in your knowledge of grace, but to humble yourself it must be of God and nothing that we can do to get it or keep it.
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The grace of God is the greatest theme of the entire NT and it all comes through Jesus Christ as the God of all grace to sinful man. You say that you will stand on the true grace of God as taught in scripture and none of this cheap grace stuff. Why don't you take the time (as you have done with the rapture and salvation) and explain what the scriptures teach about the grace of God. I am sure that there are many that would like to hear what you have to say about grace. No pressure and take your time.
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Thaddeaus, I can say that non believers will go to hell and that in no way is putting myself above God. No one or nothing is above God.
I am ending this post here too. I am not an educated person, I am a simple person but even being a simple person through God I can understand the scriptures.
I will leave this endless argument to the ones who want to continue this. I believe in what God says and no one else.
God Bless You all and may peace be with you.
I am ending this post here too. I am not an educated person, I am a simple person but even being a simple person through God I can understand the scriptures.
I will leave this endless argument to the ones who want to continue this. I believe in what God says and no one else.
God Bless You all and may peace be with you.
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Here's what the Amplified has to say about your strange interpretation.
1Cor 13:10-17
10 According to the grace (the special endowment for my task) of God bestowed on me, like a skillful architect and master builder I laid [the] foundation, and now another [man] is building upon it. But let each [man] be careful how he builds upon it,
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is [already] laid, which is Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
12 But if anyone builds upon the Foundation, whether it be with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 The work of each [one] will become [plainly, openly] known (shown for what it is); for the day [of Christ] will disclose and declare it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test and critically appraise the character and worth of the work each person has done.
14 If the work which any person has built on this Foundation [any product of his efforts whatever] survives [this test], he will get his reward.
15 But if any person's work is burned up [under the test], he will suffer the loss [of it all, losing his reward], though he himself will be saved, but only as [one who has passed] through fire.
16 Do you not discern and understand that you [the whole church at Corinth] are God's temple (His sanctuary), and that God's Spirit has His permanent dwelling in you [to be at home in you, collectively as a church and also individually]?
17 If anyone does hurt to God's temple or corrupts it [with false doctrines] or destroys it, God will do hurt to him and bring him to the corruption of death and destroy him. For the temple of God is holy (sacred to Him) and that [temple] you the believing church and its individual believers are.
Do you have a better understanding now, you should and so should 'watchmen'? No messing around in these instructions to the church at Corinth. You and 'watchmen' like to mess around with false doctrine and corrupt the individual temples of God body, the church. I would have a little more reverence for the grace of God and not be so flippant with the things you keep saying through accusations that effects God's body, His temple. God is longsuffering but he has His limitations and He operates according to His justice and wisdom and all vengeance belongs to Him and he will repay / Rom 12:19. I don't think that God is messing around, do you? The scriptures are abundantly clear.
1Cor 13:10-17
10 According to the grace (the special endowment for my task) of God bestowed on me, like a skillful architect and master builder I laid [the] foundation, and now another [man] is building upon it. But let each [man] be careful how he builds upon it,
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is [already] laid, which is Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
12 But if anyone builds upon the Foundation, whether it be with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 The work of each [one] will become [plainly, openly] known (shown for what it is); for the day [of Christ] will disclose and declare it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test and critically appraise the character and worth of the work each person has done.
14 If the work which any person has built on this Foundation [any product of his efforts whatever] survives [this test], he will get his reward.
15 But if any person's work is burned up [under the test], he will suffer the loss [of it all, losing his reward], though he himself will be saved, but only as [one who has passed] through fire.
16 Do you not discern and understand that you [the whole church at Corinth] are God's temple (His sanctuary), and that God's Spirit has His permanent dwelling in you [to be at home in you, collectively as a church and also individually]?
17 If anyone does hurt to God's temple or corrupts it [with false doctrines] or destroys it, God will do hurt to him and bring him to the corruption of death and destroy him. For the temple of God is holy (sacred to Him) and that [temple] you the believing church and its individual believers are.
Do you have a better understanding now, you should and so should 'watchmen'? No messing around in these instructions to the church at Corinth. You and 'watchmen' like to mess around with false doctrine and corrupt the individual temples of God body, the church. I would have a little more reverence for the grace of God and not be so flippant with the things you keep saying through accusations that effects God's body, His temple. God is longsuffering but he has His limitations and He operates according to His justice and wisdom and all vengeance belongs to Him and he will repay / Rom 12:19. I don't think that God is messing around, do you? The scriptures are abundantly clear.
Here is a quick respnse nothing extensive, I will give an extensive response later.
We are not covered by grace, so that are sins are of no consequence.
We are empowered by grace to sin no more.
2nd cor 6:1 We then as workers together in with him, beseech you also that you receive not the grace in God in vain.
God has given us the power to overcome sin if we use his grace as a covering for our sin instead of the power to overcome it, then we have received the grace of God in vain.
1st John 2:1 My little children these things I write unto you THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
We are not to sin, grace was not given so we could sin BUT IF we sin Jesus will forgive us but we must confess are sin to Jesus if not then they will not be forgiven.
If we believe that we can just continue in sin because we are under grace we are mistaken.
1st John 1:9 IF WE CONFESS our sin,he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We can misuse the grace God has given us,we can receive it in vain and end up destroyed with the rest of the unrighteous.
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you,shall be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant,wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing,and has done despite unto the Spirit of Grace.
This are those that continue in unrepentant sin because they believe themselves to be covered by grace.
Instead of using the grace of God to cleanse themselves of all unrighteousness as scripture says we should.
The grace of God is that we can be forgiven of our sin through faith in Christ by repenting and remission of sin.
The grace of God never taught that we could continue in unrepentant sin.
We are not covered by grace, so that are sins are of no consequence.
We are empowered by grace to sin no more.
2nd cor 6:1 We then as workers together in with him, beseech you also that you receive not the grace in God in vain.
God has given us the power to overcome sin if we use his grace as a covering for our sin instead of the power to overcome it, then we have received the grace of God in vain.
1st John 2:1 My little children these things I write unto you THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
We are not to sin, grace was not given so we could sin BUT IF we sin Jesus will forgive us but we must confess are sin to Jesus if not then they will not be forgiven.
If we believe that we can just continue in sin because we are under grace we are mistaken.
1st John 1:9 IF WE CONFESS our sin,he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We can misuse the grace God has given us,we can receive it in vain and end up destroyed with the rest of the unrighteous.
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you,shall be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant,wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing,and has done despite unto the Spirit of Grace.
This are those that continue in unrepentant sin because they believe themselves to be covered by grace.
Instead of using the grace of God to cleanse themselves of all unrighteousness as scripture says we should.
The grace of God is that we can be forgiven of our sin through faith in Christ by repenting and remission of sin.
The grace of God never taught that we could continue in unrepentant sin.