Loss of Salvation What the Bible says about it!

Earlmayknowornot · Mar 5, 2013

It is my belief that one can lose their salvation. However, it's going to be difficult. Jesus said I will leave the 99 and go find the one. I will get the verse if I have to. This is usually what happens from my experience and what I have seen

When a person get's saved, sooner or later we take our faith off the cross and put our faith in what we our doing. That is not Acceptable By God. Our flesh has the tendency to rely on itself.

Then we find ourselves failing God and doing things that we do not want to do (Romans 7). Then we are perplexed and don't know what to do. So we pray more,we read more, and fast. But to no avail. Then we give up and say this just don't work for me and we go back to our former lives. However the Lord will continue to pull. But, if it is ignored continually ,we risk losing our salvation.

starfield · Mar 5, 2013

Radius said:

Who is going to read ALL of that Elder? Seriously.

The only problem with your theory, and my only rebuttal is: "how much repenting does one have to do in order to retain salvation?"

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How do you ignore verses like:

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

"And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,"

I believe that if one receives God truly then God will bring them to repentance. If that person NEVER repents, doesn't feel sorry for sins, then that person may have never been saved in the first place. Though, in God's mercy, if one truly is saved, and continues on in sin, God may take their life because they are not producing the kind of life that God demands. Backsliders are admitted to Heaven, I believe. But for those that never changed nor repented--ever--probably will not enter the Kingdom of God.

The bible does not say backsliders are admitted to Heaven. They are endangering their final salvation if they don't repent. This was the case for the unprofitable servant (Matt 25:30) and the evil servant (Matt 24:45-51) who were cast into Hell.

Laa · Mar 5, 2013

It looks as if you quoted verses about loss of salvation that were not written to Grace Age Believers. Since the time the Apostle Paul took the Gospel out to the Gentiles we have been saved by Grace thru Faith. It only takes believing that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day to have eternal salvation today. I Cor 15:1-4.

Hebrews is written to the Believing Jews that will be here during the tribulation. And yes, they can lose their salvation at that time, because salvation will be thru faith + works.

Can you find anything in the writings of Paul to the Gentiles that says we will lose our salvation? (Romans thru Philemon).

I read nothing can separate us from the love of God! Nothing means nothing.

jandian · Mar 5, 2013

All I have to do is believe. Therefore if I believe in Jesus and everything that he did, but I don't accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour; I guess I still get in

Chr · Mar 5, 2013

My sheep hear My voice,and I know them,and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them,and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.My Father,who has given them to Me,is greater than all;and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.I and the Father are one. John 10: 27-30

Eternal life is eternal. We are a new creation,Jesus is our great Lord and Shepherd we follow Him.It doesn't mean we are perfect and sinless but we repent and follow Him.We listen to Him.

Chr · Mar 5, 2013

Jesus is our great Lord Saviour King and Shepherd, we are His sheep and will always be His sheep.

ForthAngel · Mar 5, 2013

I'm with the one poster who said it can probably be lost, but is nearly impossible. I think backsliding and repenting can be God's means of refining our faith and renewing our spirit. God allows trials to arise in our life, and being imperfect, we sometimes fail. Sinning once saved won't forfeit salvation in my opinion, but does incur punishment in many forms.

I think apostasy is much, much different than mere backsliding. I think apostasy is the direct denial and rejection of what we already know to be true, willfully proclaiming and speaking the rejection of God and His gift once we have known it and understand the power and reality of it.

It may be possible to continue in a backwards descent into perdition to the point where our hearts harden again, but this would require blatant disregard for the conviction of the Holy Spirit and willful disobedience to the point of pure depravity. I've seen something similar to this in people in my life, and many argue that they were probably never saved to begin with. I believe this is the case most of the time, although I also believe that continued disregard could potentially forfeit our salvation, but who can determine at what point? The heart is weighed and measured, not outward signs. I think intent plays a huge role in this.

savedNblessed · Mar 5, 2013

A man of God once used this analogy about losing salvation:
An unsaved person is like a cocoon (chrysalis). When they are saved, the outer hard casing breaks and they turn into a butterfly. A butterfly can never go back to be a cocoon, it dies a butterfly. Yea sometimes it can forget that it's a butterfly but the bottom line is IT IS STILL a butterfly.

I don't have any Biblical references to support this but this is how I was explained that I can't lose my salvation once I recieve it.

starfield · Mar 5, 2013

Laa said:

Rom 8:38-39 does not support OSAS.

1. It does not have "sin" on the list of things that cannot separate us from God. As a matter of the bible says sin separates man from God.

2. It does not say "nothing can separate us from salvation" but rather "the love of God". The prodigal son left his father and became spiritually dead yet his father's love for him did not cease similarly, God still loves us even when we sin, besides He sent Jesus to shed His precious blood for us while we were still sinners, so His love is unfailing and longsuffering. He is not willing that any should perish but that backsliders and sinners come to repentance. The fact that nothing separates us from God's love does not mean we cannot lack life in Christ and the light of God once saved. A believer can lose that life and light they once had due to sin.

Jesus said this: John 15:2- Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Paul made a similar statement: Romans 11:13-25
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Paul also mentioned sins that will bring about condemnation (Eph 5:3-7, Gal 5:13-21) and warned believers to not partake in them. That we are saved by grace through faith does not mean our conduct has no bearing on our salvation neither does it mean we can sin with impunity for the wrath of God will come upon the unrighteous. Faith has to be accompanied with obedience otherwise it is akin to that of demons (James 2:18-20).

Eph 4:17-18 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
[18] Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

Gal 5:13-21
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

We will reap what we sow: Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
[8] For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Laa · Mar 5, 2013

Starfield,
I appreciate you providing so much information on this topic. Great verses! I would like to take some time to study them closer in answering, so please be patient.

In the meantime:

How many sins would it take for a saved person to commit before losing their salvation?

You said saved by grace through faith does not mean our conduct has no bearing on our salvation. Are you then saying that our conduct DOES have bearing on salvation?

I believe people sin because they are sinners...not that they are sinners because they sin. And in saying that, I think we would agree that when a person is truly saved, truly believes...their conduct will change and they will become more like Christ. But who determines the timeframe for that change to take place? When God looks at me (at all true believers) He sees Jesus. He doesn't look at my sin, because I have been washed in the precious Blood of Jesus Christ. And nothing can change what Christ has done on my behalf. Now, I may live in sin and face consequences for my sin, but it won't be my salvation that is lost. This brings me such joy! And it makes me NOT want to sin. I used to be so fearful of losing my salvation and guess what? I would sin, and say what does it matter...might as well go all the way!

Laa · Mar 5, 2013

jandian said:

Jandian,

I Cor 15:1-4 says salvation is to those who believe Jesus died for their sins, was buried three days, and rose again.

So, YES all a person has to do is believe.

When was the last time you found it easy to believe a person actually raised from the dead?

Do you have a scripture reference that says you must accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour to be saved? I've just never found one, but would be interested if you have one.

Tommy4Christ · Mar 5, 2013

I believe the word of God will clear this OSAS non sense up once and for all!

Do NOT be deceived!

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turns from his righteousness and does injustice, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked do, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be remembered; in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he shall die.
Eze 18:25 Yet you say, The way of Jehovah is not fair. Hear now, O house of Israel: Is not My way fair? Are your ways not unfair?
Eze 18:26 When a righteous one turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done, he shall die.
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked turns away from his wickedness that he has committed and does that which is lawful and righteous, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28 Because he looks carefully, and turns away from all his sins that he has committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:29 Yet says the house of Israel: The way of Jehovah is not fair. O house of Israel, are not My ways fair? Are not your ways unfair?
Eze 18:30 So I will judge you, O house of Israel, each one of you according to his ways, says the Lord Jehovah. Turn and be made to turn from all your sins; and iniquity shall not be your stumbling-block.
Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your sins by which you have sinned; and make you a new heart and a new spirit; for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Eze 18:32 For I have no delight in the death of him who dies, says the Lord Jehovah. Therefore turn and live.

Laa · Mar 5, 2013

So, Tommy4Christ,

Do you never sin?
What if you are in the middle of an impure thought after driving by an indecent billboard, when all of a sudden you're hit by another vehicle and killed? Do you automatically lose your salvation for that impure thought that raced through your mind?

zone · Mar 5, 2013

Laa said:

It looks as if you quoted verses about loss of salvation that were not written to Grace Age Believers. Since the time the Apostle Paul took the Gospel out to the Gentiles we have been saved by Grace thru Faith. It only takes believing that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day to have eternal salvation today. I Cor 15:1-4.

Hebrews is written to the Believing Jews that will be here during the tribulation. And yes, they can lose their salvation at that time, because salvation will be thru faith + works.

Can you find anything in the writings of Paul to the Gentiles that says we will lose our salvation? (Romans thru Philemon).

I read nothing can separate us from the love of God! Nothing means nothing.

you have GOT to be kidding.

crossnote · Mar 5, 2013

Laa said:

It looks as if you quoted verses about loss of salvation that were not written to Grace Age Believers. Since the time the Apostle Paul took the Gospel out to the Gentiles we have been saved by Grace thru Faith. It only takes believing that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day to have eternal salvation today. I Cor 15:1-4.

Hebrews is written to the Believing Jews that will be here during the tribulation. And yes, they can lose their salvation at that time, because salvation will be thru faith + works.

Can you find anything in the writings of Paul to the Gentiles that says we will lose our salvation? (Romans thru Philemon).

I read nothing can separate us from the love of God! Nothing means nothing.

this sounds like a Mid-Acts view. But I find no 'works' in the Book of Hebrews.

zone · Mar 6, 2013

summary:

stop presenting your members to sin, and present yourself instead to God.
practice righteousness and not unrighteousness.
confess your faults to one another.
confess your sins to the Lord.
forget what lies behind and press on toward the goal.
abide in Christ for without Him you can do nothing.
give thanks in all things, test all things.
give God all the Glory.

roger Elder1.
that's a copy.
over.

cfultz3 · Mar 6, 2013

zone said:

summary:

stop presenting your members to sin, and present yourself instead to God.
practice righteousness and not unrighteousness.
confess your faults to one another.
confess your sins to the Lord.
forget what lies behind and press on toward the goal.
abide in Christ for without Him you can do nothing.
give thanks in all things, test all things.
give God all the Glory.

roger Elder1.
that's a copy.
over.

Like: come and follow me?

Elder1 · Mar 11, 2013

Radius said:

My dear brother radious. It is obvious that you still have not read the study. In the study you will find that God has several 'cut off points' like apastacy, lukewarmness (and refusing to repent of it), Not producing fruit, having the cares of the world choke out the life of god within you, blaspheme of the holy spirit, suicide, etc.
What you obviously do not understand is that God expects us to walk in perfect obediance to Him! One reason that Jesus died on the cross was to set us free from sins power! Jesus said that he who sins is a servant of sin; but he whom the Son has set free is free indeed. Jesus made it very plain that it is not everyone that callse Him their lord will go to heanen: but only those who do the will of the father. Please read the study. I deal with all of this stuff in it. The bible is very clear that true believers can forfiet their salvation and the above teatise proves it conclusively and beyound all doupt!
God tells us that we are to fear Him, and with good reason! read the study above in oder to find out those reasons!
God bless.
elder1

tribesman · Mar 11, 2013

Earlmayknowornot said:

So, what you are saying is that the work of Christ is not enough to save a person? He only gives His gift of eternal life on the condition that the recipient fulfill some sort of "part" so that He can save him once again "in the end"? Noone is really "accepted in the beloved" until they worked out enough holiness of their own?

RedTent · Mar 11, 2013

Radius said:

Thanks for reading that long thing for me and giving the essense.

It is my understanding that there are two cut off points. One is to blaapheme the Holy Spirit, the other is to hold a grudge.

Mark 3:29but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”—

Matthew 6:15But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

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