Loss of salvation???

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Cameron143

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Genez said:
If I do not name a specific covenant?
Does that nullify the truth about the Jews?

Even after all the Bible has to say specifically about the Jew's future with God?

The covenant with Abraham is still functioning.

This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations ​
will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we ​
have heard that God is with you. ' ” Zechariah 8:23​
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No, but it does give credence to your argument, or not. It would also be helpful for others to know.
Also, some of the terms of the Abrahamic covenant have been fulfilled.
 
Musicmaster

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Genez said:
Musicmaster... could you please take a moment and explain in what manner and meaning is the term, "Gospel"being used?

I believe that is what might be causing some not to agree.
For the term Gospel might be thought of and defined in different terms by some.

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Perhaps you are correct.

My use of the term "gospel" has to do with the absolute point for salvation. It also applies to the good news for the birth and life and fulfillment Christ effected in the redemption of mankind, which are indeed all important parts to the overall message of the gospel. However, my fixation is specifically on the elements necessary for HOW one is saved rather than to rehash what is already known by the general populace of this thread.

Thanks for the heads up on the need to clarify.

MM
 
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JimiSurvivor said:
So without any discussing anything with me you have determined that what I need is more doctrine. Just WHICH doctrine I should believe in MORE you never say. You seem to automatically think Christians who are determined to follow Christ are somehow deficient in their understanding. Hence you say, to someone you do not even know that they are "marching in the flesh" Can Christians BY THE SPIRIT not serve God?

28Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
(Matthew 11:28-30)
Faith is more than accepting a doctrinal proposition ABOUT Him. It is the personal surrender of ourselves to Him.
13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.…(Romans 8:13)
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For some reason the Holy Spirit and being led by the Spirit is omitted in most doctrinal statements.

Does anyone know why?
 
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Musicmaster said:
The problem with your theory is that it missed the glaring difference between Peter's gospel in Acts 2 and Paul's gospel in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Peter specifically stated to Israel the requirement to be baptized unto the remission of sins. Paul's gospel to the Gentiles made no such demands. Paul even argued that any work for salvation nullifies it being by grace. So, it really is not that hard to see the differences apart from accusing Paul for the sin of omission in relation to a writing he had to have known was for posterity.

The lazy argument that has been put forth in other postings is that Paul was allegedly summerizing. That argument is less than pathetic in the agenda behind trying to harmonize things that are not similar in every respect.

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This is where it gets into a gray area for me. I still see ONE gospel(salvation.) The Kingdom Gospel is definitely for the Jews. The Jews and the Church have different roles in the Kingdom.

The Jews were PHD level in the Torah/ OT. They knew about all the symbolism, signs, wonders, ect..

The gentiles knew nothing about any of it.

So the Jews got the message, "have you not heard?"

And the Gentiles got the message, " You have not heard."
 
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Cameron143 said:
No, but it does give credence to your argument, or not. It would also be helpful for others to know.
Also, some of the terms of the Abrahamic covenant have been fulfilled.
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The New Covenant and the shadow covenant with Abraham.

Genesis 15:6
Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

Was fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

You said, "some of the terms of the Abrahamic covenant have been fulfilled"?
 
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Inquisitor said:
The New Covenant and the shadow covenant with Abraham.

Genesis 15:6
Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

Was fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

You said, "some of the terms of the Abrahamic covenant have been fulfilled"?
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All the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ, but not all have been consummated.
 
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