Loss of salvation???

[Musicmaster]

Salvation is of one only, no other, the people of Israel, crucified Jesus Christ of Nazareth, they set the stone as nothing, making Him the head of the corner. Jesus chose witnesses to testify that God raised Him up, and He received the promise of God, the gift of the Holy Ghost, shed forth, as the Jews saw and heard. God made the same Jesus who the people of Israel crucified, both Lord and Christ. ( THE LORD SAID UNTO MY LORD..)

Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.



Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Jesus was sent unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but they did not want to know..


Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!


Through the fall of the Jews salvation came to the Gentiles. They have a reason to be jealous, here in Romans..

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.



Here are those reasons...


Isaiah 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Matthew 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.



Is there difference in the Jew and the Gentile, there cant be...



Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Well, I can see that you don't appear to be trying to understand and stick to what the scriptural quotes I provided nor that I actually said. You keep tweaking scripture and my statements into things that were never said, such as salvation having more than one source...something I never stated nor does scripture state. How you arrived at the idea that the scriptures I quoted even hinted at such a phenomenon, I have no idea.

It appears, therefore, that the best course of action, then, is to cut this off now before you end up confusing others here into a bias that's unfounded.

MM

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

About the Jews, none righteous, none seeking after God, gone out of the way, none that did good, their throats open sepulchres, tongues of deceit, poison of asps under their lips, mouths full of cursing and bitterness, feet quick to shed blood, destruction and misery are there ways, no way of peace, no fear of God before their eyes...

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.



Isaiah 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
5 They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.
6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
8 The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.

Isaiah 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.


Jeremiah 5:21 Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

Malachi 3:13 Your words have been stout against me, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee?
14 Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the Lord of hosts?

What you seem to have missed is that the Lord choosing Israel as His priests and kings never had anything to do with merit...apart from the praise the Lord gave unto our father Abraham. Because of His promises made to Abraham on the basis of his faith, Israel continued to remain, and will always remain, the Lord's choice as an earthly priesthood in special ways that will not include other nations. Replacement theology garbage says otherwise, but we aren't here to debate that false system of theology and its total lack of meritorious coverage and evidence.

So, if you would, please explain in your own words what you're getting at so that I fully understand your position.

MM

 

[Thomas2]

Israel has one thing special, killing, and all blood spilled guilty for them...


Matthew 21:35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.



Matthew 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


Salvation is of Jesus Christ, we read above who Israel killed, the prophets and last of all the Son of God, here below is the foundation that Israel built through their killings, which is Gods way to save the meek ( who Israel condemns and kills) and judge the wicked. ( Israel who is guilty of all righteous blood shed.)



Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

[Thomas2]

So, seeing as you guys cant seem to speak about salvation, and the loss of it, here are more verses for what salvation is first.


Jesus Christ is the salvation of God, Israel/the Jews have a very big problem with accepting that. ( all flesh has seen the salvation of God.)

That salvation of God was sent to the Gentiles, they heard it.

Belief is unto righteousness, confession is unto salvation. ( the antichrist denies Christ has come with power in the flesh/made after the power of an endless life/power of His resurrection.)

Afflictions are for salvation, effectual in endurance, and not terrified by all adversaries, they receive perdition, to the ones persecuted by them, salvation, of God.

The holy scriptures are able to make us wise to salvation, it is not wise to exclude any that lead to salvation. ( the grace of God brigs salvation/has appeared to all men, to confess or deny now.)

We cant escape the judgement of God if awe neglect this great salvation.

Whoever bears thorns ( iniquity/sins) is due to be burned, to the beloved they do better, things that accompany salvation. ( no fear of God means no fear to lose salvation.)

Christ appears the second time to those who look for Him, which is those without sin. ( things that accompany salvation.)

The trial of our faith is with fire, it has to be found with praise and honour and glory at the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, to receive the end of our faith, even the salvation of our souls.

All diligence is written to us about the common salvation, to exhort us that we should earnestly contend for the faith once delivered unto the saints. ( to avoid the men crept in unawares, that deny the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. ...


Luke 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

2 Corinthians 1:6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.

Philippians 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Hebrews 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.



The Hebrews who were comfortable and saved, were afterwards destroyed.

Angels who rebelled left in chains until judgement day.

Sodom and Gomorrah the same, all set forth as examples, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Can you lose your salvation, high position ? Either we contend for the salvation by believing the exhortation, or we be just as exalted as everyone else who falls.


Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

 

[Musicmaster]

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

So Thomas2, what are you saying? Was Jesus a liar, or John...what? Please elaborate in your own words.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Thomas2, are you familiar with progressive revelation?

MM

 

[Cameron143]

Thomas2, are you familiar with progressive revelation?

MM

I'm learning more and more about it over time.

 

[Musicmaster]

The phrase "salvation is of the Jews" comes from John 4:22, where Jesus says to the Samaritan woman at the well:

"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."
— John 4:22 (KJV)

What Does It Mean?
At its core, this statement means that God's plan of salvation for the world was revealed through the Jewish people. It has theological, historical, and prophetic significance.

Salvation Comes Through the Jews
Jesus was affirming that:

• The Messiah (Jesus Himself) would come from the line of Judah, from the nation of Israel (see Genesis 49:10, Micah 5:2).
• God’s covenants, promises, and law were given to Israel (Romans 9:4–5).
• The Scriptures (Old Testament) were preserved and passed down through the Jewish people.
• The entire redemptive plan of God was revealed through the history and prophecy given to Israel.

“To whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law... and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came…”
— Romans 9:4–5

So, salvation originates from the Jews, not because they are inherently superior, but because God chose them as the vessel through which to bring His salvation to all nations.

Correction of Samaritan Theology
Jesus was also gently correcting the Samaritans’ religious system, which had a corrupted version of Jewish worship:

• The Samaritans rejected much of the Hebrew Bible except the Pentateuch and worshipped at Mount Gerizim instead of Jerusalem.
• Jesus says, in effect, "You don't fully understand what or whom you worship," affirming that true revelation and the Messiah come from the Jewish lineage and Scriptures.

Prophetic Fulfillment in Christ

Ultimately, this statement points to Jesus Himself, a Jew, as the fulfillment of God’s salvation plan. He is the seed of Abraham, through whom all nations would be blessed (Genesis 12:3).

Summary
“Salvation is of the Jews” means:

• God's redemptive plan was revealed through Israel.
• The Scriptures, covenants, and Messiah came through the Jewish people.
• True worship and salvation come through God's chosen revelation, culminating in Jesus Christ — a Jew — as Savior of the world.

(Source: AI directed toward theological sources only.)

MM

 

[Inquisitor]

Go ask the robot...

Why ask me?

What you need is a human teacher whom God anoints with God, knowing what it is you need to learn to understand.

What you offer is a word search through the Bible. NO UNDERSTANDING.

Actually Genez, the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth and church tradition does not do that.

 

[Genez]

Back on topic.

Salvation is in belief that Jesus Christ is Lord, risen from the dead, put to death by the Jews.

Ironically.... God chose the Jews to put the sacrificial lambs to death,
and finished their divine function with the final solution- the Cross.

 

[Genez]

Actually Genez, the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth and church tradition does not do that.

When it is a true anointing what you need to know?
To mature in Christ?

Ultimately, it ends up being the furthest thing from tradition.

Tradition only sets up a framework from which we work in.