Loss of salvation???

[Genez]

Chat GPT can sort this out for you.

That's a discerning question, and you're right to consider the context carefully.

1 Corinthians 3:10–15 does primarily deal with how leaders and teachers in the church build upon the foundation of Jesus Christ, who is explicitly called the foundation in verse 11:

“For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (v.11)​

Here’s the key idea of the passage:

• Paul is using a construction metaphor to describe how he (and others) are building the church.
• Christ is the only true foundation.
• Others (teachers, apostles, pastors, etc.) build on that foundation with either precious materials (gold, silver, costly stones) or inferior materials (wood, hay, straw).
• The “Day” (meaning the Day of Judgment) will test each one’s work by fire to see what endures.

So is this passage about the church or personal endurance?

Primarily, this is about the quality of ministry work done by those who labor in the church—especially its leaders. It's corporate more than personal. It’s about how the church is being built on Christ: Are people teaching the truth? Are they building with love, truth, humility—or with self-glory, error, or superficial teaching?

But there are implications for personal endurance and faithfulness:

• Though the passage is not mainly a direct warning to individual believers about falling away, it does imply that some work may be burned, though the worker himself is saved “yet so as through fire.” (v.15)
• This highlights a sobering truth: it is possible to build poorly on the true foundation, and while one might still be saved, the fruit of their labor might not endure.

Not a direct teaching on falling away

If you're looking for more direct instruction on endurance and not falling away, passages like:

• Hebrews 3:14 – “For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.”
• Matthew 24:13 – “But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”
• Revelation 2:10 – “Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.”

These are more specifically about personal endurance in the faith.

Summary:

• 1 Corinthians 3:10–15 is about the building of the church, especially the responsibility of those who lead and teach.
• It’s not primarily about personal endurance in salvation, but it does relate to the eternal significance of how we live and serve Christ.
• For teachings on faithfulness and not falling away, other passages (like Hebrews and Revelation) are more directly focused.

Chat GPT????

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The Son.
And, the pre-programmed Robot.

You are lost in space...

 

[Thomas2]

I will let junior deal with this.

Chat GPT.

❖ Can a Christian lose their salvation by walking in the flesh?
Short Answer:

If someone persists in walking in the flesh without repentance, it raises the question of whether they were truly born again to begin with.
Key Passages:

• Romans 8:13 – “If you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.”
• Galatians 5:19–21 – Lists the works of the flesh and warns: “Those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Insight:

Walking in the flesh is incompatible with living in the Spirit. The Spirit of God transforms the true believer, and while believers do struggle and fall at times, a life characterized by unrepentant sin is a denial of that transformation. If someone lives habitually in the flesh, it suggests they may not have truly known Christ, even if they professed Him.

❖ Can a Christian lose their salvation by not enduring in their faith in Jesus Christ?
Short Answer:

Yes—if one does not endure in faith, they will not be saved. But those who are truly born of God will endure, because He sustains them.
Key Passages:

• Hebrews 3:14 – “For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.”
• Colossians 1:22–23 – “…if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel…”
• Matthew 24:13 – “The one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Insight:

Endurance is not what earns salvation—it’s the evidence that salvation has truly taken root. A faith that withers shows it was never truly alive. As Jesus taught in the parable of the sower, some receive the word with joy, but when trials come, they fall away (Matthew 13:20–21).

❖ Is falling away a reality or a misunderstanding of God’s sovereignty?
Biblical Tension:

There’s a real tension in Scripture between:

1. God’s sovereignty in saving and preserving His people:
   • “He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion.” (Philippians 1:6)
   • “My sheep hear my voice… no one will snatch them out of my hand.” (John 10:27–29)
2. The genuine warnings about falling away:
   • “Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.” (Hebrews 3:12)
   • “Some have made shipwreck of their faith.” (1 Timothy 1:19)

Theological Balance:

• God is sovereign—and no one He truly saves will be lost.
• But Scripture never lets us take that as a license for spiritual complacency.
• Those who fall away were never truly born of God, though they may have tasted the truth (Hebrews 6:4–6), just as Judas walked with Jesus but never truly knew Him.

So what is the heart of the matter?

True salvation is marked by enduring faith and love.​

Faith that fades, love that grows cold, a life lived in the flesh—these are signs that one may have never truly known Christ, even if they thought they did.​

God is sovereign, yes. But He sovereignly works through faith, through love, and through endurance. He doesn’t override our will to keep us in Christ; He transforms our will by the Spirit so that we walk in love, obedience, and trust.

Final Thoughts:

Falling away is real, but it doesn't mean someone had salvation and then lost it like misplacing a wallet. It means they never truly knew Christ—their root was shallow, their love cold, their faith external.

“They went out from us, but they were not of us...”​

—1 John 2:19​

But for the one who truly loves Christ, who stumbles yet rises again, who clings to Him—there is no condemnation. Christ will hold you fast.

Junior needs more input.

“They went out from us, but they were not of us...”​

—1 John 2:19​

"But for the one who truly loves Christ, who stumbles yet rises again, who clings to Him—there is no condemnation. Christ will hold you fast."


Two key mistakes here, which is very apparent by reading the quoted chapter, 1 John 2.

Two examples are given by junior with this quote, to attempt to assume that the ones who are never truly in the faith simply depart from the ones who are in the faith, and then assessing the faithful ones as stumbling, and rising again, avoiding condemnation, claiming Christ still holds onto those ones.

That is a well known claim by this world of deceit.

But looking at the actual words of light, will clear all of that darkness away.

If one thinks they are in the light, ( of Christ, as the true light now shined. 1 John 2:8.) and instead of loving their brother, they hate them working unrighteousness against them, they are in darkness until now.

If a person loves their brother, ( and the love of Christ is shed into their heart by the Holy Ghost given unto them, giving them hope. Romans 5:5) they abide in the light, not leave it, and as we understand they have no reason to stumble, expressed by the ones who hate their brother, having no belief in Christ, no love of God given into their heart, no Holy Spirit in them, ( no Spirit of truth in the antichrist who is a liar denying Christ.) they are in darkness and walk in darkness, with blind eyes.


1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.


Here is more scripture why the wicked stumble..


Proverbs 4:19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.



Back on 1 John 2.


The wicked in their lust, pass away with the world, but the ones who do the will of God abide forever. ( he that loves his brother bides in the light, with no occasion of stumbling in him/the true light shines in him/ if any man walks in the day he stumbles not, seeing the light of this world/ Christ is the light come into the world.)


1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.




1 John 2 and we heard of the antichrist coming, many of them who are now made manifest because of not having ability to acknowledge the truth, ( 2 Timothy 2:25, Titus 1:1.) but only denying it. ( false prophet/false teachers.) They have some sort of godliness, always learning, resisting the truth, their folly is manifested to all men. ( many follow their subtle ways, turning the grace of God into lust/ the world passes away and its lust, but he that does the will of God bides forever.)




1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.



2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Inquisitor]

Chat GPT????

I see.

There is the Father.
The Son.
And, the pre-programmed Robot.

You are lost in space...

Junior posted the info below.

If you're looking for more direct instruction on endurance and not falling away, passages like:

• Hebrews 3:14 – “For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.”
• Matthew 24:13 – “But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”
• Revelation 2:10 – “Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.”

So these verses do not support faithfulness and endurance?