Loss of salvation???
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- you personally have sinned in front of everyone here, refuse to confess it, and refuse to repent.
- you claim H2O baptism is the only thing that removes sin
- presuming you have been baptized, at some point in the past, what can remove the sin you are in right now, today?
- did your baptism remove all sin past present and future?
- then how could salvation possibly be lost?
- did your baptism only remove sins from the past before the moment in time you were held underwater?
- then how can you possibly be saved now?
According to you, who are you?
I don't claim it, JESUS DOES.
1 John 8-10
You should know that answer.
1 John 8-10
I ask you as Paul asked HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST since YOU HAVE BELIEVED?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
I don't claim it, JESUS DOES.
1 John 8-10
You should know that answer.
1 John 8-10
I ask you as Paul asked HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST since YOU HAVE BELIEVED?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
no, you didn't.
you haven't confessed your sin against me, you haven't repented of it, and you haven't answered any of my questions.
you haven't confessed your sin against me, you haven't repented of it, and you haven't answered any of my questions.
- you personally have sinned in front of everyone here, refuse to confess it, and refuse to repent.
- you claim H2O baptism is the only thing that removes sin
- presuming you have been baptized, at some point in the past, what can remove the sin you are in right now, today?
- did your baptism remove all sin past present and future?
- then how could salvation possibly be lost?
- did your baptism only remove sins from the past before the moment in time you were held underwater
- then how can you possibly be saved now?
Yes I did, now answer mine ONE QUESTION.
you personally have sinned in front of everyone here, refuse to confess it, and refuse to repent.
According to you, who are you?
you claim H2O baptism is the only thing that removes sin
I don't claim it, JESUS DOES.
presuming you have been baptized, at some point in the past, what can remove the sin you are in right now, today?
1 John 8-10
did your baptism remove all sin past present and future?
then how could salvation possibly be lost?
You should know that answer.
did your baptism only remove sins from the past before the moment in time you were held underwater
then how can you possibly be saved now?
1 John 8-10
I ask you as Paul asked HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST since YOU HAVE BELIEVED?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
you personally have sinned in front of everyone here, refuse to confess it, and refuse to repent.
According to you, who are you?
you claim H2O baptism is the only thing that removes sin
I don't claim it, JESUS DOES.
presuming you have been baptized, at some point in the past, what can remove the sin you are in right now, today?
1 John 8-10
did your baptism remove all sin past present and future?
then how could salvation possibly be lost?
You should know that answer.
did your baptism only remove sins from the past before the moment in time you were held underwater
then how can you possibly be saved now?
1 John 8-10
I ask you as Paul asked HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST since YOU HAVE BELIEVED?
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
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of course i do.
but i saw, you contradict the answer scripture gives.
i am naturally trying to get to why - because the thread topic is actually not indoctrination into a hyoer-pentecoatal cult, it's the permenance or impermanence of salvation: the surety or doubt of the promises of God, His faithfulness or unfaithfulness.
it may hurt a little, ha
so let's look at 1 John 1:9 -
no baptism involved here, correct?
God is faithful to remove our sin on the basis of confession, not on H2O immersion, correct?
God Himself does it here, not the rite of baptism, correct?
but i saw, you contradict the answer scripture gives.
i am naturally trying to get to why - because the thread topic is actually not indoctrination into a hyoer-pentecoatal cult, it's the permenance or impermanence of salvation: the surety or doubt of the promises of God, His faithfulness or unfaithfulness.
it may hurt a little, ha
so let's look at 1 John 1:9 -
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
no baptism involved here, correct?
God is faithful to remove our sin on the basis of confession, not on H2O immersion, correct?
God Himself does it here, not the rite of baptism, correct?
no; Jesus does not claim that. see 1 John 1:9 for example: sin removed upon confession of it.
moreover, what is the baptism of David?
moreover, what is the baptism of David?
2 Samuel 12:13
So David said to Nathan,
"I have sinned against the LORD."
And Nathan said to David,
"The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die."
David was not water baptized. but the LORD - - this same Jesus - - removed his sin when he confessed it. no, He certainly does not.
for a third witness to you:
good discussion here about Biblical basis for only God ((not H2O)) can forgive sin - - *link*
for a third witness to you:
Luke 5:20
When He saw their faith, He said to him,
"Man, your sins are forgiven you."
please note there is not even confession of sin here, just faith. good discussion here about Biblical basis for only God ((not H2O)) can forgive sin - - *link*
Why should I? Foreign languages were for unbelieving Jews. It's why Paul quoted Isaiah 28.
1Cor.14:20-22
20 Brothers and sisters, do not be children in your thinking. Instead, be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. 21 It is written in the law: “By people with strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, yet not even in this way will they listen to me,” says the Lord. 22 So then, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers.
That gift is no longer needed. The Lord gave Israel time to repent, they refused and instead rejected their Messiah and in 70AD the Temple was destroyed signifying the end of Israel being able to make the proper sacrifices and keep the Law as they were commanded.
btw. I didn't prophesy either.
Mark 16:9-20 is disputed as being authentic so I wouldn't count on that.
Exactly what I said. The risen Christ appeared to me, similar to how He appeared to Paul only without the blinding light.
You think that's all you do but you quote scripture and give your opinion as to what it means. You think being baptized in Jesus name must mean being dunked in water. You can't/won't see it means to be baptized into His person. We are hid in Christ. A supernatural event requires a supernatural means ie. with the Holy Spirit. His name is not water. His name is His person, His character, His work.
Colossians 3:3
for you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
Yes but making mistakes is not the problem, refusing to be corrected is. By your own admission, you have not read anything I wrote that disagreed with your position. That is a complete waste of my time and disrespectful. If you are not going to actually engage in discourse, then don't post. Communication is a two way street.
ps. at least your admission explains why you think I never answered your questions.
1Cor.14:20-22
20 Brothers and sisters, do not be children in your thinking. Instead, be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. 21 It is written in the law: “By people with strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, yet not even in this way will they listen to me,” says the Lord. 22 So then, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers.
That gift is no longer needed. The Lord gave Israel time to repent, they refused and instead rejected their Messiah and in 70AD the Temple was destroyed signifying the end of Israel being able to make the proper sacrifices and keep the Law as they were commanded.
btw. I didn't prophesy either.
Mark 16:9-20 is disputed as being authentic so I wouldn't count on that.
Exactly what I said. The risen Christ appeared to me, similar to how He appeared to Paul only without the blinding light.
You think that's all you do but you quote scripture and give your opinion as to what it means. You think being baptized in Jesus name must mean being dunked in water. You can't/won't see it means to be baptized into His person. We are hid in Christ. A supernatural event requires a supernatural means ie. with the Holy Spirit. His name is not water. His name is His person, His character, His work.
Colossians 3:3
for you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
Yes but making mistakes is not the problem, refusing to be corrected is. By your own admission, you have not read anything I wrote that disagreed with your position. That is a complete waste of my time and disrespectful. If you are not going to actually engage in discourse, then don't post. Communication is a two way street.
ps. at least your admission explains why you think I never answered your questions.
No He doesn't, you think He does but it has been explained His name is not water, He does not baptize with water.
Mark 1:8
I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Water cannot wash away your sin, it cannot place you in Christ, it cannot regenerate you, it cannot give you a spiritual gift, it cannot fill you, it cannot seal you for the day of redemption only Christ can do this and He does this with the Holy Spirit. The promise of the Father based on the work of the Lord Jesus Christ empowered by the Holy Spirit.
Mark 1:8
I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
Water cannot wash away your sin, it cannot place you in Christ, it cannot regenerate you, it cannot give you a spiritual gift, it cannot fill you, it cannot seal you for the day of redemption only Christ can do this and He does this with the Holy Spirit. The promise of the Father based on the work of the Lord Jesus Christ empowered by the Holy Spirit.
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