Making a case for women in leadership

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So it is the position that is the issue not the preaching or sharing the gospel then? of course I do recal that for most of the time not all the time but most God used men to do his will but there have been times when he used women instead of men but this was before the church was established
I was really happy to see women In my old church leading the lost to Christ. It would be an honorable thing for every good church to have women actively going out by 2s and knocking on doors in every community to get others saved. Couples can do this too. We had a group of ladies who decided to meet once a week for their soul winning program and a group of men would go another evening. We also had organized outreaches with a bus ministry, Vacation Bible Schools, etc.

All those were expressions of loving our neighbors by carrying out the great commission.
I used to raise wildlife from around the world and take them to public/ private schools, special events, media, churches, etc to share the Lord with the world. Those were my evangelist ministries.

My long term goal is to go to churches, starting in my state and Pennsylvania, then surrounding states to encourage men, women and children to reach their communities with the simple gospel/ good news. As I travel to the communities, I plan to also preach in the special needs communities. These are where most churches neglect. The residents are mostly what we used to call shut-ins. The week before I accidentally ingested a major toxin, 6 people trusted Christ as their Savior.
I had women and a few men participate before.
They were being trained for leadership roles like mine. The best case scenario is God's will to see this happen and He can multiply our message to many more communities.
 

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I never ignored it I simply disagreed the meaning of it due to the context of it we have been over this
Edify is right. This is NOT about winning an argument—souls are at stake. I am alright with you disagreeing with me. I am content to agree to disagree. But the “name-calling” and false charges are beneath you.
 

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I was really happy to see women In my old church leading the lost to Christ. It would be an honorable thing for every good church to have women actively going out by 2s and knocking on doors in every community to get others saved. Couples can do this too. We had a group of ladies who decided to meet once a week for their soul winning program and a group of men would go another evening. We also had organized outreaches with a bus ministry, Vacation Bible Schools, etc.

All those were expressions of loving our neighbors by carrying out the great commission.
I used to raise wildlife from around the world and take them to public/ private schools, special events, media, churches, etc to share the Lord with the world. Those were my evangelist ministries.

My long term goal is to go to churches, starting in my state and Pennsylvania, then surrounding states to encourage men, women and children to reach their communities with the simple gospel/ good news. As I travel to the communities, I plan to also preach in the special needs communities. These are where most churches neglect. The residents are mostly what we used to call shut-ins. The week before I accidentally ingested a major toxin, 6 people trusted Christ as their Savior.
I had women and a few men participate before.
They were being trained for leadership roles like mine. The best case scenario is God's will to see this happen and He can multiply our message to many more communities.
That is amazing, though some would argue that the women who saved those lost ones were being unbiblical yet God used them anyways didn't he?
 

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Edify is right. This is NOT about winning an argument—souls are at stake. I am alright with you disagreeing with me. I am content to agree to disagree. But the “name-calling” and false charges are beneath you.
I never name called you and flase charges? no not tthat either I simply do not appreciate you using Jesus's words the way you did it is disrespectful and if you cannot see that then maybe you don't hold his word as sacred. again it is not a toy to use as we please
 
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Edify is right. This is NOT about winning an argument—souls are at stake. I am alright with you disagreeing with me. I am content to agree to disagree. But the “name-calling” and false charges are beneath you.
They should be beneath you, too, yet you have stooped to them repeatedly.
 

Beckworth

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I never name called you and flase charges? no not tthat either I simply do not appreciate you using Jesus's words the way you did it is disrespectful and if you cannot see that then maybe you don't hold his word as sacred. again it is not a toy to use as we please
 
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That is amazing, though some would argue that the women who saved those lost ones were being unbiblical yet God used them anyways didn't he?

Whatever we do should certainly submit to the Word God has provided, so I try to seek how we apply it to my life even when it might seem pragmatic to do things in a more convenient way. This applies to many things, not just this topic.

Here's an example.
We were planning on having the Lord's Supper at a nursing home.
I called days ahead and the activities department who help residents to the service said they already had 100% Grape juice and non leavened bread that we could use. I stressed the importance of reading the ingredients to make sure there was no yeast or leaven.

When it was about time to start, we checked every box of crackers they had in stock. They all had leavening agents in them. Plus they were wheat. Nowadays I get non gluten, no wheat varieties for those of us who are allergic to the grain. That's a pragmatic decision based on the high incidence of gluten/ wheat issues many of us have. The decision is not based upon a Biblical mandate though. The leaven/ yeast is however.

I told the employees that we will do it another service but not that day.
One of the ladies that I found out was of a different faith, insisted we have the Lord's Supper that day and interrupted me while I was preaching that she was going to the grocery store down the road to get the right kind.
She said to extend my preaching time until she got back.

In the meantime another lady employee Interrupted me to tell me to shorten my gospel message.
Both of them meant well and did what they thought was pragmatic; however, both were out of line with their actions. I showed grace for all, but I will hold a meeting with the employees there before the next service to establish proper protocols and lead the women and men in regards to Biblical mandates I must follow.

I'm reminded that all things must be done decently and in order.
I am responsible for carrying out the services to the people who the staff brings. I don't expect the staff to understand or know what God requires. That's where I have to use wisdom and keep them in out of my role. I do appreciate them for carrying out their unique roles so well and express that to them.

A. Those ladies are not going to tell me what to preach, how long or short to preach. I already have an agreement with the director for the time block and respect their limitations, etc. I take no offense, it's just that the gals have no authority to intervene unless there's someone needing attention.

B. After the Lord's supper was distributed and eaten, the lady went to the store and decided to not get the non leavened crackers they had and instead served the ones representing sin (leaven). Mind you that I explained the Biblical mandate we had to follow. It might not seem important, but God is clear about the issue and emphatic.

C. The one lady after I talked to about this insists we have the Lord's Supper monthly. It's not going to happen in any of my services. Previously I brought the no alcoholic wine/ grape juice and appropriate bread representing the body of Christ.
I have learned from the experience and will take care of it myself in the future. Whatever the case, I won't allow the women to usurp authority over this man. My Head, Jesus requires that. I follow Him and lead the others.
Whenever there is any group of people, especially non saved who do not prioritize the roles God established, there are occasional challenges. It's just part of working with people from all kinds of backgrounds.

This was a minor, yet important example that I recently had. I only posted it here because it fit the Biblical application that was originally posted. It's a good topic that you brought up.
 

Beckworth

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What a shame. I was willing to “agree to disagree” and give you an opportunity to end this peacefully; but you are not going to stop, are you? Alright. Rant and rave all you want. I will not be a part of this anymore. Matthew 7:6 comes to mind.
 

Blain

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Whatever we do should certainly submit to the Word God has provided, so I try to seek how we apply it to my life even when it might seem pragmatic to do things in a more convenient way. This applies to many things, not just this topic.

Here's an example.
We were planning on having the Lord's Supper at a nursing home.
I called days ahead and the activities department who help residents to the service said they already had 100% Grape juice and non leavened bread that we could use. I stressed the importance of reading the ingredients to make sure there was no yeast or leaven.

When it was about time to start, we checked every box of crackers they had in stock. They all had leavening agents in them. Plus they were wheat. Nowadays I get non gluten, no wheat varieties for those of us who are allergic to the grain. That's a pragmatic decision based on the high incidence of gluten/ wheat issues many of us have. The decision is not based upon a Biblical mandate though. The leaven/ yeast is however.

I told the employees that we will do it another service but not that day.
One of the ladies that I found out was of a different faith, insisted we have the Lord's Supper that day and interrupted me while I was preaching that she was going to the grocery store down the road to get the right kind.
She said to extend my preaching time until she got back.

In the meantime another lady employee Interrupted me to tell me to shorten my gospel message.
Both of them meant well and did what they thought was pragmatic; however, both were out of line with their actions. I showed grace for all, but I will hold a meeting with the employees there before the next service to establish proper protocols and lead the women and men in regards to Biblical mandates I must follow.

I'm reminded that all things must be done decently and in order.
I am responsible for carrying out the services to the people who the staff brings. I don't expect the staff to understand or know what God requires. That's where I have to use wisdom and keep them in out of my role. I do appreciate them for carrying out their unique roles so well and express that to them.

A. Those ladies are not going to tell me what to preach, how long or short to preach. I already have an agreement with the director for the time block and respect their limitations, etc. I take no offense, it's just that the gals have no authority to intervene unless there's someone needing attention.

B. After the Lord's supper was distributed and eaten, the lady went to the store and decided to not get the non leavened crackers they had and instead served the ones representing sin (leaven). Mind you that I explained the Biblical mandate we had to follow. It might not seem important, but God is clear about the issue and emphatic.

C. The one lady after I talked to about this insists we have the Lord's Supper monthly. It's not going to happen in any of my services. Previously I brought the no alcoholic wine/ grape juice and appropriate bread representing the body of Christ.
I have learned from the experience and will take care of it myself in the future. Whatever the case, I won't allow the women to usurp authority over this man. My Head, Jesus requires that. I follow Him and lead the others.
Whenever there is any group of people, especially non saved who do not prioritize the roles God established, there are occasional challenges. It's just part of working with people from all kinds of backgrounds.

This was a minor, yet important example that I recently had. I only posted it here because it fit the Biblical application that was originally posted. It's a good topic that you brought up.
And I think this is why Paul said what he did this example you presented here is a fantastic reason of why I believe he said that.
 
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And I think this is why Paul said what he did this example you presented here is a fantastic reason of why I believe he said that.
My appreciation for the staff is very high and we wouldn't have a very big turn out without their good help .
All of the things I mentioned would apply to men too. This is why I like to show grace for all, guide and teach.
Things sometimes have to be addressed. The previous time, there was loud bickering that distracted the others in the audience. I had to deal with that to resolve the situation properly. No big deal because things happen and we move forward.
I'm just glad I don't have the same trouble Paul did. 😄 II Corinthians 11
 

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My appreciation for the staff is very high and we wouldn't have a very big turn out without their good help .
All of the things I mentioned would apply to men too. This is why I like to show grace for all, guide and teach.
Things sometimes have to be addressed. The previous time, there was loud bickering that distracted the others in the audience. I had to deal with that to resolve the situation properly. No big deal because things happen and we move forward.
I'm just glad I don't have the same trouble Paul did. 😄 II Corinthians 11
So are you a pastor by chance?
 
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So are you a pastor by chance?

Thanks for asking but no, I haven't married yet. "A bishop must be the husband of one wife" Titus 1:6.
A pastor aka bishop primarily focuses on preaching to his local congregation. Whereas, I was involved in church planting (Acts 8) and reaching the lost in unique ways, needed places.

I was a full time evangelist with a different role for years and continue to reach out 24/7 with the good news of Luke 24/7 as the angel reminded the disciples at the tomb....

24:7Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

There are groups of people who are usually overlooked in every community. They are often poor, disabled and been through more than the average person. They need God's message of love. I want to reach them with this in a big way. I don't have a supporting church due to unforseen circumstances, but trying to get back to a position where I can reach far more as soon as I'm physically able.
 

Blain

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Thanks for asking but no, I haven't married yet. "A bishop must be the husband of one wife" Titus 1:6.
A pastor aka bishop primarily focuses on preaching to his local congregation. Whereas, I was involved in church planting (Acts 8) and reaching the lost in unique ways, needed places.

I was a full time evangelist with a different role for years and continue to reach out 24/7 with the good news of Luke 24/7 as the angel reminded the disciples at the tomb....

24:7Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

There are groups of people who are usually overlooked in every community. They are often poor, disabled and been through more than the average person. They need God's message of love. I want to reach them with this in a big way. I don't have a supporting church due to unforseen circumstances, but trying to get back to a position where I can reach far more as soon as I'm physically able.
Well for now you can do this work online until your able, I like to go on reddit and help people there. there is a lot of hurting or damaged confused lost people on there and here in cc there are as well that is why we must plant the seeds of the kingdom and understand the influence and power our words have on every heart that reads them.

You never know who is watching and needs just what you wrote