Making a case for women in leadership
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You both should stop thinking that you're on the same level as God to me that I need your approval. I don't care about either of yours. Neither of you went to all the trouble to die for me. But God did! So to whom do you think my loyalty should belong to?
If anything, neither of you are putting God first and respecting God's set order in the Bible at all, saying that what the Bible says is no longer pertinent to these modern times. But God doesn't change and neither did His rules. You're putting yourselves first before God - so you are out of order.
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Though we are equal in God's eyes we were made different. I like allot of woman tend to be to rank high on agreeableness and it's not a characteristics you want in a pastor. that doesn't mean preaching the gospel is cut off from us. I've seen my mother preach the gospel all my life from her salon chair and I'm sure many other woman are also.
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You will have to ask God that when you see Him. We don’t always understand why God does or says what he says. He hasn’t asked me to understand, he has asked me to believe him, trust Him and obey Him. He wants us to respect His word. We show respect and love for Him when we obey what He says. John 14:15- “If you LOVE me, keep my commandments.” As far as I can tell, 1 Cor. 14:34 and 1 Tim. 2:11-12 are His commandments. John 15:14-“ You are my FRIENDS….IF … you do what I say.”
Just a guess would be because public teaching woujd be usurping authority over men ( in a group?). But private teaching is more of a one on one discussion between two people. This is just a guess. I am not contending for this opinion.
I have no problem with a woman being under her husband’s authority. That is certainly included in verse 3, but because of 1 Timothy 2 and what he says about usurping authority over men, I believe 1 Cor. 11:3 is the reason for that. Or do you think 1 Tim. 2 is not a general statement for all men. If so, then who is the man he is talking about in 1 Timothy 2?
Just a guess would be because public teaching woujd be usurping authority over men ( in a group?). But private teaching is more of a one on one discussion between two people. This is just a guess. I am not contending for this opinion.
English Standard Version
1 Cor. 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.
Whenever such a scripture says things like this without any notations to leadership, it's always about husband & wife. Here's another:
1 Timothy 2 NAS
Instructions for Believers
8Therefore I want the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger and dispute. 9Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, [g]modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or expensive apparel, 10but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. 11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adam who was first [h]created, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and [j]became a wrongdoer. 15But [k]women will be [l]preserved through [m]childbirth—if they continue in faith, love, and sanctity, with moderation.
2 important facts to note:
1. This is to all believers. Nothing is mentioned about any hierarchy or leadership roles.
2. V13-15 specifically starts about Adam & Eve, husband & wife, & finishes with woman's preservation thru childbirth.
The context both above & below speaks only about family matters.
Now for the word usurp(KJV). That means in this context the wife taking illegal or improper authority over her husband.
In layman's terms a controlling wife. The age-old problem in many marriages that has happened for centuries..... A henpecking wife telling her husband what to do.
The husband is the spiritual head, spiritually responsible & answering to God for the marriage & family relationship. This is why Adam was blamed by God instead of Eve.
1 Cor. 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.
Whenever such a scripture says things like this without any notations to leadership, it's always about husband & wife. Here's another:
1 Timothy 2 NAS
Instructions for Believers
8Therefore I want the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands, without anger and dispute. 9Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, [g]modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or expensive apparel, 10but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. 11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adam who was first [h]created, and then Eve. 14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and [j]became a wrongdoer. 15But [k]women will be [l]preserved through [m]childbirth—if they continue in faith, love, and sanctity, with moderation.
2 important facts to note:
1. This is to all believers. Nothing is mentioned about any hierarchy or leadership roles.
2. V13-15 specifically starts about Adam & Eve, husband & wife, & finishes with woman's preservation thru childbirth.
The context both above & below speaks only about family matters.
Now for the word usurp(KJV). That means in this context the wife taking illegal or improper authority over her husband.
In layman's terms a controlling wife. The age-old problem in many marriages that has happened for centuries..... A henpecking wife telling her husband what to do.
The husband is the spiritual head, spiritually responsible & answering to God for the marriage & family relationship. This is why Adam was blamed by God instead of Eve.
I had to to do a deep study on this topic. To sum up many hours of study and preparing a lesson.
God has different roles for men and women.
Leadership in the home is similar to the church.
Elder/overseer/bishop has only male pronouns including historically a male role.
Scripture mentions a female deacon, Roman documents list female deacons, and in archeology, they have found female deacons on tombstones.
Just because a man is to lead the home and the church doesn't mean a woman can't teach, preach, evangelize, etc.
It simply means they are not to hold the position of elder (pastor).
Men and women complement each other.
God has different roles for men and women.
Leadership in the home is similar to the church.
Elder/overseer/bishop has only male pronouns including historically a male role.
Scripture mentions a female deacon, Roman documents list female deacons, and in archeology, they have found female deacons on tombstones.
Just because a man is to lead the home and the church doesn't mean a woman can't teach, preach, evangelize, etc.
It simply means they are not to hold the position of elder (pastor).
Men and women complement each other.
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Dino, you haven't considered some things since you are a guy. me and secondtimesacharm work in the healthcare industry. guys don't make good nurses. orderly or caregivers not even watching the kids goes over well sometimes. they end up in the emergency room. I cant tell you how many incidents I've heard that involved a guy when there ant many of them in the healthcare industry to begin with other then doctors pharmacist.
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