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[Elin]

I think it is an injustice to say we are slaves to righteousness.

Okay, let's try not to impose our cultural mores on the word of God.

"you are slaves (Gr: doulos) to whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or obedience to righteousness" (Ro 6:16)

Doulos means "bondservant," one bound to service.

Slavery is something that happens to an unwilling participant. We are fellow workers, yoked together, for Christ. We labor much as a team of yoked oxen might (or we should), but that is something we do volunteerily.

There were also willing participants among the people of God (Ex 21:5-6; Dt 15:16-17) who chose to be bondservants and marked themselves physically to bind themselves to their masters.

 

[homwardbound]

Well, there isn't free will in scripture. Only slavery.

Romans 6

[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! [SUP]16 [/SUP]Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? [SUP]17 [/SUP]But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. [SUP]18 [/SUP]You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. [SUP]20 [/SUP]When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. [SUP]21 [/SUP]What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! [SUP]22 [/SUP]But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[SUP][b][/SUP] Christ Jesus our Lord.

When first born in and of the flesh, we are born after the similitude of Adam and
Eve in their fallen state, when they ate their eyes were opened to flesh ans new they were naked. So all man born after the similitude are born of the flesh, with the knowledge of Good and evil. Born selfish and judge accordingly as in being selfish. Would you die for your Sister or Brother, maybe but not for all as Christ did.
God knowing we all are born in the flesh captivity, had and has Mercy on us through Christ, and we today have the chance by Choicew to choose to believe God and be set free from the slavery of sin. It starts out in Romans 6 as you quoted how shall we sin anymore don't you know we dead to sin by Baptism, Spirit from Christ
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Notice, now alive, how, born again in the Spirit of God, dead to flesh sin
Okay born in flesh a slave to sin. Born in the Spirit a slave to God's righteousness.
How does this occur by choice to freely beleive or not. That is the only thing God never went to the cross for, is unbelief. All he left is to believe or not?
That is why he said all is forgiven except unbelief, and that does not become a sin until ones epiphany comes to light and makes the conscious choice to whether they believe or not. So to deny God when one is convicted by God through the Holy Ghost, is Blasphemy ans will not be forgiven period
Hope you are enlightened to this fact

 

[homwardbound]

I think it is an injustice to say we are slaves to righteousness. Slavery is something that happens to an unwilling participant. We are fellow workers, yoked together, for Christ. We labor much as a team of yoked oxen might (or we should), but that is something we do volunteerily.

I am a willing slave to God to use me as God sees fit not mankind

 

[GaryA]

Then you have a very different definition of free will, one that is more just to keep the term than it is what it actually teaches as a theology. Humans make choices, but these choices are not free. Even Lutherans understand that one. Monergists n' all.

Slave to sin, or a slave to righteousness.

What about the human choice to be a slave to sin, or to be a slave to righteousness?

Before you answer - and say that it is not a free will choice - consider:

A man is born into the world - and becomes a Satan-worshiper - whose every thought and action is abomination to the Lord -- and ranks "up there" with the likes of Hitler et. al. in every word and action.

At the age of 40, he is confronted with the truth of the Gospel - and is convicted of the Holy Spirit. His eyes are opened, and he repents of his entire life - accepts God and Christ - and becomes a born-again Christian - and lives for God / Christ until he dies.

One of God's 'elect'...

So - are you saying that - it was the perfect will of the-God-of-heaven that this man carry out the abominations-to-the-God-of-heaven of the first 40 years of his life? By one of His 'elect'???

Why was he not a Christian for all of his life? Was he not one of the 'elect' for all of his life?