Many Scriptures are not directed at Church Age Saints

[Dino246]

Who do you think the church is made up of ? brother Paul was an Israelite most of the church in scriptire were Israelites who converted to Christianity

the rest of the people were the people those former Jews preached to and converted to Christianity not to Moses and Judaism but to Jesus and the gospel to the church made up of Hebrews and gentile me in one body sharing in one spirit and in one hope of eternal life


I don’t think you understand that they were all Israelites and preached first to Israelites who converted to Christianity like all the gentiles later did when Jesus sent the word to them including them in the gospel

This is way before Paul was himself a Hebrew Jewish Pharisee who converted to Christianity and joined the church later already well established and filled with many Israelites and later also gentiles from many different places

The church brother is where it doesn’t matter if you were born a Hebrew like Paul and Peter or gentile that has no meaning but it’s here where Abraham’s children of promise are

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I don’t really know how to reply to this other part you because that doesn’t really make sense to me to say there’s some other covenants not written seems like a way to avoid the Bible and what it says

Like this are you saying whats written is different somehow than this spiritual covenant you’re talking about ?
can you elaborate on this part ?

“You appear to be confusing written testaments with spiritual covenants. “

im definately confused by what your saying there lol for sure

God is a spirit and God speaks his word , what he says is the covenant and he’s always caused man to write it down so people can’t create alternative paths and try avoiding his one and only path

There are many covenants recorded in Scripture, but the subject of the thread is the written word consisting of the Old and New Testaments. What happened in the world around the creation of those written records is not under discussion. Certainly Paul was an ancient Israelite and he preached at first to Israelites, but many of his letters were not written to Israelites but to Christians, both Jew and Gentile.

 

[John146]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for [1] doctrine, for [2] reproof, for [3] correction, for [4] instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Tim 3:16,17)

While all is not written to us, we may learn from every part of Scripture and apply the teachings to ourselves. It is the Word of God.

True, but many place themselves in scripture where they don’t belong. See Jeremiah 29:11.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

member: 223333"]There are many covenants recorded in Scripture, but the subject of the thread is the written word consisting of the Old and New Testaments. What happened in the world around the creation of those written records is not under discussion. Certainly Paul was an ancient Israelite and he preached at first to Israelites, but many of his letters were not written to Israelites but to Christians, both Jew and Gentile.[/QUOTE]

Yes there are many covenants but one for Christian’s

and yes that’s my point paul was himself a convert to the church established before he believed

the gospel and all the Bible was first preached to and also by Israelites from Moses to John the apostle the Bible has always come first to isralites even the gospel

So you have the beginning of the gospel

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus explaining

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus then sends his apostles out only to israel

“These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus and his words in the gospel came first to israel as all scripture always has what happened was this part Israelites rejected Jesus as my a small remnant believed most rejected him

“Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.

But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be our's. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard

. What shall therefore the Lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭12:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The husbandmen are israel God sent the messiah to them first and they rejected and killed him so after that happened , after israel rejected the messiah he sent the remnant that believes in him out to this group of people

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. ( before Jesus died only israel after he died everyone )


He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that word of the gospel Jesus the lord first preached and lived and then died to fulfill that he sent to all creatures for salvation is the only covenant left in scripture that hasn’t been broken by mankind


i still have no clue what you were saying about spiritual covenants and written ones what’s written is always going to define any covenant you can find in the Bible

All of scriptire came first to israel the gospel so came first to israel the difference is the gospel was then sent to all people

the law of Moses or any of the personal covenants your talking about aren’t sent to anyone but who they were spoken to

Its all about the gospel now for every man and woman and child that’s the only doctrine the only covenant left standing the one God made and fulfilled and offers to all people whomeill
Believe or reject it

 

[cv5]

Many Christians take all scriptures being meant for themselves which is not the truth at all. Now, ths is not saying we cant learn from what is meant for Israel alone. Take Matthew 24 for example, all scripture is directed at Israel alone.

Anyone agree?

Correct. And the tip-off is right here.....

Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

There are no "signs" preceding the rapture. So the following passages do not pertain to the Church per se.
Furthermore, the "end of the world" would be the end of the70th week and SC, and pertains to Israel and gentiles in the 7 year tribulation.

We, the Church, are nowhere involved with regard to Daniels 70 week prophecy. So again, we are raptured in the gap after the 69th and before the 70th week.

Our "end of the age" is the Rapture. This is the end of the "Church age", so noted in John 14.

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

Many Christians take all scriptures being meant for themselves which is not the truth at all. Now, ths is not saying we cant learn from what is meant for Israel alone. Take Matthew 24 for example, all scripture is directed at Israel alone.

Anyone agree?

You're talking about two layers of meaning. Of course, all the books of the Bible have immediate audiences like the four gospels with different emphases for their audiences. However, the teachings and history of the Bible have personal applications for all Christians.

 

[Omegatime]

Correct. And the tip-off is right here.....

Mat 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

There are no "signs" preceding the rapture. So the following passages do not pertain to the Church per se.
Furthermore, the "end of the world" would be the end of the70th week and SC, and pertains to Israel and gentiles in the 7 year tribulation.

We, the Church, are nowhere involved with regard to Daniels 70 week prophecy. So again, we are raptured in the gap after the 69th and before the 70th week.

Our "end of the age" is the Rapture. This is the end of the "Church age", so noted in John 14.

Only a few here understand the blessings which is why we are not to worry, what we eat or drink, or the clothes we wear. But to the unrighteous the lord's wrath will be upon you in the Tribulation which is shortly coming to pass. The prophecy of Daniel is for Israel and those who enter the Tribulation but the events in Matthew 24 which I picked for an example is for Israel either looking outside Israel such as nation against nation meaning gentile against gentile nation or future events internally.. Jerusalem is at the center of prophecy.

Well said cv5- I see wisdom, knowledge and blessed with your words

 

[FollowingtheWay]

There are certain things that Christian’s are heirs to. As scripture says
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭29‬ ‭NIV‬‬

But do we Christians live with those promises in mind or are we too quick to say the promise doesn’t apply? I think we live with too little expectation from our new standing in Christ rather than too much.

 

[JonathanBentley]

Scripture was written for us but not all to us. Take job for example. Many people make doctrine of what job's friends say, but it's just a record of what they said. They were corrected at the end. Many people take scripture and use it out of context. You've got to read the full passage. But really some people just throw out the epistles because they were to churches and that is heresy.

 

[FollowingtheWay]

Scripture was written for us but not all to us. Take job for example. Many people make doctrine of what job's friends say, but it's just a record of what they said. They were corrected at the end. Many people take scripture and use it out of context. You've got to read the full passage. But really some people just throw out the epistles because they were to churches and that is heresy.

Interesting. I know my church uses Jobs friends as teaching practical example of how we Christians aught and then aught not to sit and mourn with those who mourn. The idea was that like Jobs friends, we should sit with those as they mourn. But unlike Jobs friends perhaps we just need to be silent. Our mere presence with those who mourn may be all that is needed. Jobs friends screwed up when they started talking.

 

[Omegatime]

Another example of scripture not pertaining to Church Saints. The following event is happening inside the Tribulation

5 But as to the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief. 5 For you are all sons of light and sons of the day; we are not of the night or of darkness. 6 So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. 7 For those who sleep sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But, since we belong to the day, let us be sober, and put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we wake or sleep we might live with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

In verse 3 who are the people????????

These are jews living in Israel who so far has escapsed the ravages of war going on in the world and living in peace and security.

 

[cv5]

Another example of scripture not pertaining to Church Saints. The following event is happening inside the Tribulation

5 But as to the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief. 5 For you are all sons of light and sons of the day; we are not of the night or of darkness. 6 So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. 7 For those who sleep sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But, since we belong to the day, let us be sober, and put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we wake or sleep we might live with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

In verse 3 who are the people????????

These are jews living in Israel who so far has escapsed the ravages of war going on in the world and living in peace and security.

Verse 3: "THEM"
As contrasted with "YOU" "WE" and "US".