many wives is this a sin?

[lv2ski]

Really? God's Word never refers to marriage in any way except in the singular. except in Titus when he EXCLUDES the plural married from being examples of leadership. He evidently doesn't want those that got saved in that state to encourage more of that type of lifestyle.

Furthermore, As we've already established multiple times over, the scriptures don't show any good fruit to this action. Also Jesus Christ in the gospels takes us back to creation to explain the original intent. The fruit is always division and contention. James says this is the fruit of man's wisdom. There isn't any fruit of the spirit in those cases. Hence, God is not in it.

Remember, Just because God allows something doesn't mean He approves of it. Sometimes He just let's the consequences do the talking among and teaching. You made your be, now you have to lie in it thing.

Finally, if you know anything at all about women, you'd know that they aren't even wired that way. This isn't even a microbe of their DNA. In fact, all of the cases in the Bible, from the patriarch wives on down were ALL in contention and insecurity. No one shares their spouse that is FOOL thinking.

 

[Magenta]

Thats why I will not call you blind, stupid or immoral if you dont accept it.

I see you have no problem adding to what I said.

 

[trofimus]

Please answer the question as asked. Here it is again since you dodged it the first time.

So telling a man to remain faithful to his wife for you includes polygamy?

I am not sure what do you mean by that, but I will try to answer you more broadly:

Malachi speaks to the situation, when divorce was common in Israel. Men betrayed their wives by putting them away, after the women got old.

This is why I say "of your youth" part is important.

So it is not about polygamy, but about divorce, in context.

 

[trofimus]

I see you have no problem adding to what I said.

You have no problem with adding to what God said...

 

[Tommy379]

Is this a Trump v. Hillary thread now, alot of bickering.

 

[trofimus]

Really? God's Word never refers to marriage in any way except in the singular. except in Titus when he EXCLUDES the plural married from being examples of leadership. He evidently doesn't want those that got saved in that state to encourage more of that type of lifestyle.

Furthermore, As we've already established multiple times over, the scriptures don't show any good fruit to this action. Also Jesus Christ in the gospels takes us back to creation to explain the original intent. The fruit is always division and contention. James says this is the fruit of man's wisdom. There isn't any fruit of the spirit in those cases. Hence, God is not in it.

Remember, Just because God allows something doesn't mean He approves of it. Sometimes He just let's the consequences do the talking among and teaching. You made your be, now you have to lie in it thing.

Finally, if you know anything at all about women, you'd know that they aren't even wired that way. This isn't even a microbe of their DNA. In fact, all of the cases in the Bible, from the patriarch wives on down were ALL in contention and insecurity. No one shares their spouse that is FOOL thinking.

I am not defending the fruit of having hundreds of wives in kings life. I am only saying you cant prove polygamy is forbidden in the OT. Thats all.

Even one wife can bear bad fruit in one's life.

 

[lv2ski]

Brothers & sisters, I wasn't going to comment anymore but the Lord placed something on my heart, thanks to my son's precious fiancé. A few pages back she questioned why someone would think it's ok for men to have many wives but wrong for women to have many husbands.

So I've been meditating on that and asking the Lord to reveal the truth. I have to admit that there is no specific scripture that says it's wrong for a woman to have many husbands. Or that being judged a whore by society has any bearing on being a chosen, faithful follower of God.

Rahab was a harlot and is listed in the hall of fame of faithful believers in the book of Hebrews. She was used of God while she was an active prostitute, making money to take care of her family. How do you justify that intellectually?

And the Samaritan woman at the well had five husbands plus a live-in lover and Jesus revealed himself to her without shaming or criticizing her at all. She alone evangelized her town for the Lord Jesus Christ.. yes, a woman with 5 husbands and a lover was an evangelist. How does that add up in the intellectual mind?

Also the woman caught in the act of adultery, she was judged by the law of Moses to be stoned by religious men. Except Jesus didn't condemn her. In fact, he did quite the opposite. Jesus' mercy and love were glorified through this woman and shamed the men who thought they were holier than she. She was publicly declared innocent while the self-righteous hypocrites were proven deceitful liars. How do you reason that carnally?

We'd have a hard time convincing Jesus Christ that these women weren't holy vessels just as they were and in the circumstances from which God called them. There's no getting around it intellectually. These were holy women.

I'm writing this for the benefit of those sincere Christians who may have been left befuddled by this imposter who is not mindful of the things of God, but the things of man. We know that God gets the glory for what he accomplished through these women. They were holy because of God. Not because of anything they did or did not do.

Yes, even with having many husbands, or running a brothel or having an affair with someone else's husband, God will use whomever he chooses. Because we know that once God gets a hold of our hearts, we become new creatures in him. All things pass away and everything becomes new. God gets all the glory.

God's grace and peace to all you who bless the Lord and bring glory to his name! \/

Mostly true, don't forget those women were called out as sinful women, but had to repent and submit to the authority of God. The woman in adultery wasn't declared innocent, she was just forgiven and told to go and sin no more. Rahab submitted to the Law of Moses and became part of Israel. The woman at the well repented. God didn't validate their status and position, He called them out of it. The y were only6holy upon repentance, not in their sin.

 

[Magenta]

You have no problem with adding to what God said...

Again you dodge, rather than to admit your fault. You seem to have a propensity for it. As to being a literalist as you say you are, then when Scripture calls David the apple of God's eye, to you that is literally saying God has an eye and David is an apple there. Hmmm. I'm not sure I can see things the way you do. Common sense rather prohibits such.

 

[trofimus]

Again you dodge, rather than to admit your fault. You seem to have a propensity for it. As to being a literalist as you say you are, then when Scripture calls David the apple of God's eye, to you that is literally saying God has an eye and David is an apple there. Hmmm. I'm not sure I can see things the way you do. Common sense rather prohibits such.

What fault of mine do you have in mind?

By "literalist" in the context of our convo I meant "not changing the text of the Bible".

Because when I said "there is no word 'only' in the text", you answered it like "ah, you are a literalist".

 

[Magenta]

What fault of mine do you have in mind?

By "literalist" in the context of our convo I meant "not changing the text of the Bible". Because when I said "there is no word 'only' in the text", you answered it like "ah, you are a literalist".

That is because remaining faithful to the wife of your youth precludes polygamy though you prefer to avoid answering that question when put to you directly, so yes you dodge that, more than once, and also add to my saying that a person would have to be blind by claiming polygamy is being endorsed when a call to faithfulness is put forth. You added immoral and stupid. Well, Scripture calls it a sin. If you really wish to argue with Scripture, that is your problem. I did not make the rules. God did.

 

[trofimus]

That is because remaining faithful to the wife of your youth precludes polygamy though you prefer to avoid answering that question when put to you directly, so yes you dodge that, more than once...

I answered it already - Malachi is about divorce. You can see it for example there:

"The man who hates and divorces his wife," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "does violence to the one he should protect," says the LORD Almighty. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful." Malachi 2:16

It is the same wording like in the verse you used to prove monogamy.

The context is important.

and also add to my saying that a person would have to be blind by claiming polygamy is being endorsed when a call to faithfulness is put forth. You added immoral and stupid.

I can add whatever I want as long as I am not quoting you. I was saying what I will not call you if you dont accept my opinion.

Well, Scripture calls it a sin. If you really wish to argue with Scripture, that is your problem. I did not make the rules. God did.

I am not arguing with Scripture, rather with you view of specific verses.

 

[Magenta]

I answered it already - Malachi is about divorce. You can see it for example there:

"The man who hates and divorces his wife," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "does violence to the one he should protect," says the LORD Almighty. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful." Malachi 2:16

So being faithful to your wife includes bedding other women?

Please just cut to the chase.

Does God endorse polygamy? Yes or no.

I can add whatever I want as long as I am not quoting you.

Sure. Be as deceitful as you please. When people add things like that as if the other person did it, you do not have to quote them. Your implication was obvious. Oh, and my saying be deceitful as you please is not implying you are being deceitful. LOLOLOL. See how that works? How does that work for you???

 

[trofimus]

So being faithful to your wife includes bedding other women?

Please just cut to the chase.

Does God endorse polygamy? Yes or no.

Being faithul to your wife in Malachi means not to divorce her. Nothing less, nothing more.

God did not forbid polygamy in OT.

Do not push me to answer your specially prepared questions when the verses you posted failed.

Sure. Be as deceitful as you please. When people add things like that as if the other person did it, you do not have to quote them. Your implication was obvious. Oh, and my saying be deceitful as you please is not implying you are being deceitful. LOLOLOL. See how that works? How does that work for you???

"Be as deceitful as you please"? Pardon me? This is your style of discussing on Christian forum? Calling people blind, immoral or deceitful?

No, thank you.

 

[Magenta]

"Be as deceitful as you please"? Pardon me? This is your style of discussing on Christian forum? Calling people blind, immoral or deceitful?

No, thank you.

Oh, but you have already made plain it is okay for you to do, you just don't like it when it is done back to you to show you what you are doing. And yes, if God calls something a sin, it is immoral. I am sorry you find that so disagreeable!

 

[Namiette]

In my humble point of view, if I read the consequences of polygamy in the OT, I can hardly believe that it is something that God would want for us, or something that God has no problem with. Nowhere in the Bible the polygamy has a good fruit (correct me, if I am wrong). Can I really believe that God allows something, what is bringing fighting, jealousy, strifes, etc?

As somebody has posted earlier in this thread: Jesus is our example to follow, not people. And Jesus has ONE bride. And marriage of man and woman should be a picture of Jesus and His Church.

 

[trofimus]

In my humble point of view, if I read the consequences of polygamy in the OT, I can hardly believe that it is something that God would want for us, or something that God has no problem with. Nowhere in the Bible the polygamy has a good fruit (correct me, if I am wrong). Can I really believe that God allows something, what is bringing fighting, jealousy, strifes, etc?

As somebody has posted earlier in this thread: Jesus is our example to follow, not people. And Jesus has ONE bride. And marriage of man and woman should be a picture of Jesus and His Church.

Read the original question:

David, Solomon are among the two popular biblical personalities that had many wives and concubines

My question is did they break the 10 commandments for having many wives? Besides worshipping other gods and murdering the hushband in case of david?

What part of commandment did they bteak?

They did not break any commandment by having more wives than one. They broke the commandment about not having too many wives.

Your response about Jesus is irrelevant, because we are not discussing whether we can marry multiple wives today.

 

[lv2ski]

I am not defending the fruit of having hundreds of wives in kings life. I am only saying you cant prove polygamy is forbidden in the OT. Thats all.

Even one wife can bear bad fruit in one's life.

The Bible teaches you know them their works. Jesus said that you know a tree by it's fruit. Jesus is/was God. Who changes not from OT to NT. What changed between the testaments was how and that we can now approach God personally, rather than through another man, who dies and isn't God in human flesh.

That said: God only brings a man one wife. That is what we see in scripture. When the multiplication starts, you will find it says that that particular man "took for himself_____(for a wife) not and God sent him another.

If you have ears to hear, Deut17:17 clearly says that kings are not to multiply wives, lest they turn their hearts away from Me. How honestly can you serve God effectively in life, home,family and worship with multiple wives and 20 or 30 kids. Back then, if you had sex, you had kids. It's not even practical.

Biblically,anyone who's a leader in the kingdom of God is required to be an example.

 

[lv2ski]

It's been stated that this practice was done and might be done in the future due to circumstances of poverty, etc...

Actually the Christ like thing6according to God's Word, yes OT and NT, is to care for the orphan, widow and the stranger. The Bible mentions this40 times in scripture. Not to marry them.

Jesus said to help those6Who love you and return payment is not praiseworthy,but rather to help and care for those who cannot pay you Back. This is commendable before God.

It's pagan to only help when you get something out of it. The Lord wwould have us to help them with no strings attached. Like marriage could be a payment of sorts.

 

[watcher2013]

The Bible teaches you know them their works. Jesus said that you know a tree by it's fruit. Jesus is/was God. Who changes not from OT to NT. What changed between the testaments was how and that we can now approach God personally, rather than through another man, who dies and isn't God in human flesh.

That said: God only brings a man one wife. That is what we see in scripture. When the multiplication starts, you will find it says that that particular man "took for himself_____(for a wife) not and God sent him another.

If you have ears to hear, Deut17:17 clearly says that kings are not to multiply wives, lest they turn their hearts away from Me. How honestly can you serve God effectively in life, home,family and worship with multiple wives and 20 or 30 kids. Back then, if you had sex, you had kids. It's not even practical.

Biblically,anyone who's a leader in the kingdom of God is required to be an example.

Lets hear
*[[Deu 17:17]] KJV* Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

1. Multiply wives
2. Multiply gold
3. Multiply silver

are u jus t going to pick one to support your false belief about having many wives. Or do you yourself have many gold..how about silver ( silver spoon). DOES that equate to having many wives.

See and hear.

 

[AuntieAnt]

Mostly true, don't forget those women were called out as sinful women, but had to repent and submit to the authority of God. The woman in adultery wasn't declared innocent, she was just forgiven and told to go and sin no more. Rahab submitted to the Law of Moses and became part of Israel. The woman at the well repented. God didn't validate their status and position, He called them out of it. The y were only6holy upon repentance, not in their sin.

No, these women were NOT called out as sinful. They were chosen by God that he might be glorified. Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, "I don't condemn you." The book of Hebrews does not mention Rahab the saint, but Rahab the harlot. And not once did Jesus say to the Samaritan woman at the well, "Ditch those men and I will be your Lord." He said, "I know who you are." Because she believed he was Lord and perceived her for real, her testimony evangelized her town.

The problem is when we think we have to figure it all out intellectually, in our own understanding. Our thoughts are not God's thoughts. If you have the mind of Christ, there's no need to figure anything out. The Lord reigns, that's all we need to know.

All you need do is look at your own life, how God uses you no matter if you think you're worthy or not. You belong to Christ, you don't belong to yourself anymore.